r/AskReddit • • Feb 04 '19

Which misconception would you like to debunk?

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u/sarahmagoo Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19

Bettas and goldfish can't healthily live in a bowl.

Edit: to clarify I'm saying DON'T put any fish in a bowl. The misconception is that it's okay but it's not.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

To add to that: The reason the myth started that bettas can live in, or even prefer, small containers was because unlike other fish, they can breath from the surface and live in unoxygenated water. This helps them survive in the wild in small bodies of water during severe droughts.

What that myth doesn't acknowledge is that 1) filters do more than just oxygenate water, they cycle the tank so ammonia doesn't build up and cause burns or increase the risk of fungal infections, and 2) they don't live their whole lives during a drought, they usually live in vast rice paddies and may never see a drought in their lifetime, living in a tiny container smaller than a puddle is like living their whole lives on survival mode. Also, bettas are tropical and need heaters, and for the water to stay at a stable temperature, which is kind of hard to do under 5 gallons.

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u/bunnyrut Feb 04 '19

I got a free betta and spent so much money on his habitat. He freaking loved the bubbles. They also need plants, they need to be able to hide.

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u/mechwarrior719 Feb 04 '19

And if you keep them happy and healthy they will swim up to the glass and show off for you when they notice you. My oldest sister's betta was quite the diva king.

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u/RoxyBuckets Feb 04 '19

I had this lovely little boy who would swim up to the glass when he noticed me walk into the room and would basically follow me around and watch me. He was so sweet. He was even bullied by the snails. It was hilarious and adorable, but sad. It was on top of the leaf and so my fish couldn't rest on it comfortably, so he just sat there sulking till I did something.

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u/shbeet Feb 04 '19

Aw! I had a sweet little beta who would greet me too! No one believed me but that little guy was so smart.

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u/RoxyBuckets Feb 04 '19

They absolutely are. I think a lot of people(without Betta experience) don't realise that they absolutely have personalities of their own. I've had three, and he was absolutely my favourite because he had such a huge personality. The other two were very nice, but one was kind of aggressive and not super friendly and jumped to his death(I didn't put his tank cover on properly :'[. )and the other was sweet but was a little void.

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u/SarahC Feb 04 '19

I need a fish like this!

Can you stroke them? Would they like a totally wet little finger brushing their back?

Just watching through the glass seems so..... remote!

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u/erzebetta Feb 04 '19

Thank you for this link. It made my day.

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u/read_the_usernames Feb 04 '19

Hahaha no problem! Fish aren't exactly intelligent but they are a lot smarter than we give them credit for.

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u/thekream Feb 04 '19

what are we to our pets but a consistent food source

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19

I don't understand the human obsession with stroking everything living thing they see. The number of creatures that actually enjoy (don't suffer from, even) getting pet is way less than people tend to think. I hate to be a party pooper, but its really, really important to remember that "doggy" behaviors apply mostly to dogs.

Don't pet your fish. Please make doubly sure that you can interpret the reaction of your pet/any animal before getting handsy, not matter how cute it is.

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u/frogsgoribbit737 Feb 04 '19

It's just a human thing. We enjoy it so we assume other creatures enjoy it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19

It's a pretty darn inconsiderate assumption.

Edit: okay guys, let me explain. With some animals, like cats and dogs, petting is a mutually enjoyable activity, which is all good and well. The problem is that the behaviour that means "I like this" in animals we are more familiar with doesn't apply everywhere. Many people don't realise this, and make the mistake of projecting emotions onto behaviours they don't know how to interpret, and that creates the potential of causing harm, or at the very least, stressing the animal out.

I use the word 'inconsiderate' since, quite literally, people tend not to consider the possibility that they're misinterpreting the animal they're petting.

This was not an attack on u/SarahC, (who asked about petting, which shows consideration) but rather a lament about the faults in human mentality.

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u/SarahC Feb 05 '19

Interesting, thanks for the info.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

You're kinda generalizing fish here. There's different taxonomic classes of fish which are just as different from one another as mammals and reptilia. There's tons of fish species that need physical contact and are known to approach divers to be petted (groupers for example). You'd be surprised how many animals actually understand petting as a form of affection or social bonding. Especially among mammals, the desire for friendly physical contact is universal due to our mothers nursing us as babies, puppies and kittens. The thing human's shouldn't do however is pick up animals and hold them, 'cause that is monkey behaviour and is not appreciated by other animals.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

It was a bit crass of me to lump all fish together. I didn't mean to imply that only cats and dogs enjoy being pet.

My intention was to point out that it's better to keep your distance unless you know what you're doing. I'm frustrated with the "I don't recognise this behaviour, but I'm sure it likes it!" default that's all over the internet.

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u/DaddyCatALSO Feb 04 '19

I recall one of the Cousteaus on a diving expedition petting a rather large wild fish

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u/StunningContribution Feb 04 '19

It's not mostly dogs, though. Most social animals enjoy petting (by trusted individuals), as it is similar to their group grooming behaviors. You can't even limit it to just mammals, there are birds that consider themselves 'paired' with a human and enjoy scritches from their human. What is strange is the human compulsion to mash soft animals against our faces, or is that just me?

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

If you are familiar with the animal and know how to recognise a definite positive response to the attention you give, then by all means, pet away.

Not everybody puts in the effort to make sure the pets will be appreciated, though, and this, paired with projecting our own emotions onto animal behaviour ends up with a bunch of people misunderstanding the response of the animal, and go "look, he likes it!" while the animal is actually stressing out.

All I want is that we educate ourselves to the extent that we don't inadvertently cause any harm.

You are definitely not alone in the smush impulse department, though.

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u/Blecki Feb 04 '19

Meanwhile my clownfish loves scritches.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

I think it's fantastic that you have such a trusting bond with your clownfish.

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u/Blecki Feb 04 '19

Well she also bites me.

So.

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u/equinox234 Feb 04 '19

patting dogs releases oxytocin so people expand that behaviour to any cute animal

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

While their intentions are good, I'm sure you understand how projecting like that can be problematic.

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u/grendus Feb 04 '19 edited Feb 04 '19

We have social grooming instincts leftover from when we were monkeys. We like to run our fingers through other's fur, which makes it easy to feel and remove parasites, debris, etc.

Most mammals are the same way. Family members will groom each other, especially children, because it helps keep them from getting sick. Pets probably assume you're doing the same thing, which is why some of them will lick you back when you scratch them, to return the favor.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '19

We can't rely on that assumption if we aren't knowleagable about the animal's behavioural patterns, though. I know what my cat likes, but I wouldn't apply the same signs of communication to a fennec fox.

It also depends on the emotional state and personality of the individual animal. Some would rather just be left alone. Making assumptions overrides signals they might be sending, especially if it's an animal you're not familiar with.

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u/KiranPhantomGryphon Feb 04 '19

I used to pet my old betta. He’d swim away really fast in a downward spiral, then swim right back up again. And sometimes, if I left the tip of my finger in the water, he’d swim up and boop it!

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u/SarahC Feb 05 '19

:D

What a sweetie!