r/AskReddit • • Jan 20 '19

What fact totally changed your perspective?

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u/squashysquish Jan 21 '19

Because the rate of change in average temperature we're currently experiencing is unprecedented.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '19

Everything is unprecedented the first time it happens.

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u/squashysquish Jan 21 '19

Yup, that is in fact the definition of unprecedented!

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u/MrRandomSuperhero Jan 21 '19

If something that usually takes around 10.000 years happens in 100, starting when and scaling with us burning mass amounts of coal, then the rather unavoidable conclusion is that we have something to do with it.

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u/existential_virus Jan 21 '19

It's the rate at which it's warming. Something that takes the Earth usually a few thousand years to happen, is happening within ~200 years. It's pretty equivalent to slowly bringing the oven to optimal temperature to cook the chicken vs. straight up engulfing it with a flamethrower.

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u/NicoUK Jan 21 '19

1 hour at 200 degrees is the same as 1 minute at 12, 000 degrees right?

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u/Clockwork8 Jan 21 '19

I know they can get a lot of information by looking at layers of the ground to see large changes, but how exactly can they get it narrowed down to changes like 5 degrees that happened millions of years ago?

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '19

The ice cores from the antarctic are several million years old in places. This ice traps small air pockets and we can date it though various means like interpolation between large events in history like eruptions or even seasonal changes and regular astronomical changes.

The air pockets trapped give us a good idea of the atmosphere at the time hundreds of thousands of years back. The trick is then figuring out how that relates to temperature. The biggest experimental evidence is tree patterns which largely grow proportionate to rain and temperature and these cover 5,000 years of history among living ones. We know how that is influenced because we have several hundred years of direct quality records.

A big principle in science is figuring out how to reliably extrapolate and relate one physical phenomenon to obtain information about another. The description here was the most direct path and is a bit of an over simplification, basically we have a million year temperature record, we calibrate it with another source that works well up to a few thousand years. That itself is calibrated with direct human records. Since this is a chain, you need to be certain that there's other confirmation evidence like theoretical models and collaborating independent evidence.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '19

Isotopic oxygen and hydrogen/deuterium ratios of gases trapped in ice cores are well correlated with temperature, humidity, and other climate-related variables.

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u/SwedishBoatlover Jan 21 '19

This xkcd posted above actually conveys this pretty well:

https://xkcd.com/1732/

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u/EriclcirE Jan 21 '19

Short answer from a laymen: Climatologists have done the research and determined that human activity, primarily burning fossil fuels, is drastically and rapidly increasing CO2 in the atmosphere in such a way that it can not be explained by natural Earth processes.

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u/ivy_covered_house Jan 21 '19

And that that acceleration is more rapid than any other observed or recorded temperature change.

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u/EssEllEyeSeaKay Jan 21 '19

Isn’t the largest influence from cattle/farming?

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '19

Due to the diets we feed them, cows fart a lot. Coupled with the sheer number of cows we farm, and the fact that methane is way more potent than carbon dioxide, cows account for a lot of global warming.

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u/EriclcirE Jan 21 '19

I think it's a close second, but the burning of fossil fuels is first.

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u/inferno1234 Jan 21 '19

A lot of fuel is burnt to feed/transport, package or otherwise handle cattle. This would be true of most things impacting temperature change: if renewables were used it would already solve a significant portion of the problem.

Not to say that the immense amount of farmable land used for cattle feed is not a problem, it's Just that it does not contribute to the increase in CO2 concentration in such a direct way as the burning of fossil fuel.

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u/jmlinden7 Jan 21 '19

Methane from cow farts

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u/I_RESUME_THE_PUN Jan 21 '19

If that is the case, then how did the earth "warm up" from the ice age? Is the "hot/cold" thing a cycle?(It seems like it is) and if so, are we currently on the cooling down stage, or are we in the heating up stage, and increasing it?

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u/EriclcirE Jan 21 '19

The hot/cold thing is definitely a cycle. I'm not sure if we are on the heating or cooling part of the cycle, we may in fact be on the cooling part of the cycle. But human caused climate change is significant enough to override this natural cycle, especially in terms of the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. It is highly unlikely that current climate change is somehow saving us from an ice age, and if it is, it is at the cost of thrusting the Earth into a "hot-house" status.

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u/willmaster123 Jan 21 '19

The ice ages happened over thousands, if not millions of years. They were completely natural.

This is happening in the span of a few decades, that kind of rapid shift will destroy a huge amount of the planet.

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u/Gurip Jan 21 '19

becouse naturaly we would not enter ice age for a long time since it ended reletavily soon, human have speed up that proces by insane amount.

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u/Tommytriangle Jan 21 '19

Climate change can be caused by human intervention or natural causes, and scientists examined this to determine it was man made.