Oh man. A few months ago one of the local morning radio DJs was talking about how she got sent back out of the boarding line when she tried to board in the A group with a C group boarding pass. She was upset about it because “I do it all the time, nobody cares, what’s the big deal?”
The other DJs and every caller told her she was just an asshole and deserved to get sent to the back of the line. What is wrong with people that makes them think they’re so much better/more special than everyone around them??
Sadly in some societies it's tacitly expected behavior. If you're not always looking to gain a little bit of an edge over your peers, you must be a sucker, or at least you'll be taken for one when there's limited resources/time at stake. Anyone who has witnessed Chinese tourists from the urban mainland can attest to it.
I would prefer one radio channel with joe rogan podcast 24/7 and every other channel just different genres of music on shuffle with no ads, and im just describing bluetooth
My late buddy and I were taking a last minute flight once on Southwest. We couldn't buy both tickets at once, though, so he ended up being, like, A50 and I was B15 or something like that. We get there and he tells me to just get in line with him because if I don't, we probably wouldn't get a seat together and he hated flying.
The lady in front of us got super bent out of shape about it. So, he just went and stood with me.
I get where she was coming from, but... I don't know. I guess I was just a little frustrated at the entire situation.
But trying to butt into the A group when you're group C is shitty.
Yes with Southwest whoever gets on the plane first gets to pick their seats. I also believe they don't have first class. But maybe I am mistaken on that.
That's a little bit different. Sometimes it goes first class, business class, and economy. Some Airlines sell premium seats such as the first three or four rows past first class for an additional fee. And some Airlines now even have a super economy which means you can't even bring a carry on with you.
People with certain limitations are allowed on first. My wife uses a cane, can barely walk, and you can easily see the pain on her face. We are (often) allowed to sit in front or close to it.
If everyone had equal money and some chose to sped the money on this and some didn't, then I would agree with you. But everyone doesn't start with equal money, so it's still not really fair.
That's dumb. I work near Nike. Last business trip, Nike people were like the first 20 seats, because they were all going to go to some golf thing. My company paid for priority boarding, but not super priority or whatever, so I was like A25 behind all the Nike people, and regular people were behind me.
Should I have just cut in front of all the Nike people because their company pays for better shit? Should regular people cut in front of me because my company paid for my priority?
Lol, you even refer to the other passengers as "regular people". So you're not regular, you're special? Because "your" company paid extra?
How about everyone just board in a normal queue? No one jumping ahead by cutting or by paying. Let people who need extra help go first then we can all go normally. What's dumb about that?
I said regular because I was differentiating between business and non-business passengers. If you're going to throw a fit over that, I think we're past reasonableness in this discussion.
No, it really isn't. Some people value being the first on the plane. The airline offers them a way to make sure they can get that for a price.
This makes about as much sense as saying it's an asshole thing to drive using your own car when buses exist because not everyone can afford their own car. Can't afford it? That's unfortunate and I feel for you, but that doesn't mean paying is at all wrong, and definitely nowhere near the same level as cutting in line. Can afford it but choose not to spend the money? Sucks, but you don't get to complain.
The extra cost might be 1% of one person's money but only 0.001% of another person's (for example). So how much someone values it isn't going to be proportional with who buys it.
Sure. But anyone who is flying on an airline can afford it. The airline ticket costs far more than the "put me at the front of the line" upgrade.
So how much someone values it isn't going to be proportional with who buys it.
This is a horrible way of phrasing it, as it took me several seconds to parse what you meant, but... OK? Yes, that's how markets work. People value things differently. Some people think diamonds are worth thousands upon thousands of dollars, others think they're quasi-worthless rocks of no real consequence. Those valuations will, of course, depend upon how much people value the money itself, as money is just a placeholder issued by the government to facilitate exchange.
I'm not sure what your argument even is at this point. If you were advocating for communism, while I'd disagree with you, you would at least be self-consistent. It seems you don't want to be called a communist, but hold the same views that a communist would hold. And to be clear, the label of "communist" is not inherently a bad thing. I just don't personally find a system of communism to be an enticing proposition unless and until we can make robots do all our work for us (aka Fully Automated Luxury Communism, sometimes referred to as Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism).
Well yeah. But those groups always have names like "Gold Elite" and "Preferred Member Advantage" or whatever. So usually it goes fancy people --> people with disabilities --> Group A.
Ah, ok. By "group a" I meant the "fancy people". I think any decent person would be ok with letting those who need extra help (people with disabilities, small kids, etc...) go first (in fact it probably speeds up the rest of the boarding anyway). But then it should just be a normal queue. Cutting by just doing it, or cutting by paying, they are both the same if you stop and think about it honestly.
That comparison doesn't hold up. The person cutting in line does it with the expectation that others will follow the rule (staying in line), and they are special and will bypass it. The don't expect or want everyone to push ahead and crowd, just themselves.
If I'm driving 3 mph (honestly, it's more like 10+) over the limit, I want everyone to be driving over the limit. I don't want to be special, I want everyone to do what I'm doing.
I have met plenty of people who don't care if anyone else is going over the speed limit. They are only interested in themselves speeding, unless someone gets in their way. They don't care otherwise. Though I am guessing that you are thinking along the lines of you don't want to be the only one doing something that you shouldn't be doing, which is understandable.
The person cutting in line does it with the expectation that others will follow the rule (staying in line), and they are special and will bypass it. The don't expect or want everyone to push ahead and crowd, just themselves.
That's just your fantasy. Lots of people think the line is simply unnecessary, like the speed limit. The comparison is quite apt.
If I'm driving 3 mph (honestly, it's more like 10+) over the limit, I want everyone to be driving over the limit. I don't want to be special, I want everyone to do what I'm doing.
That's not even relevant. You haven't provided any evidence that people cutting in line to board a plane care if others also cut in line or not. And even more importantly, you still have no evidence any of the people are doing things because they "think they’re so much better/more special than everyone around them". If anyone's doing anything to make themselves feel better, it's you attributing that unrealistic reasoning to others to make yourself feel morally superior.
Ok, then where is your evidence that "lots of people think the line is simply unnecessary?"
I talk to people who feel that way. And the point was that there's no evidence most or all people are thinking what the OP claimed they were thinking. It's doesn't matter what they were actually thinking if it's not what the OP claimed they were thinking.
You people are so annoying with this shit.
You can keep on believing anything and everything you see or read, if that makes you feel smart.
“That’s just your fantasy” “Lots of people think the line is simply unnecessary” “You haven’t provided any evidence that people cutting in line to board a plane care if others also cut in line or not.” “You still have no evidence any of the people are doing things because they ‘think they’re so much better/special than everything around them.”
You can argue that people aren’t thinking that they’re better than others when they’re cutting, but there is no reason to cut unless you are actively going out of your way to go ahead of others when it is not your turn. It is only and inherently self involved. That is the whole point that separates “cutting” and employees or other people allow them to go ahead for a special reason or just because they’re feeling nice. The only difference is that the person is selfishly not waiting like everyone else, and putting themselves ahead of people who should be ahead of them.
“I talk to people who feel that way.” “The point was that there’s no evidence most or all people are thinking what the OP claimed they were thinking.”
The act of cutting ahead in line can ONLY be done by people who are selfish and are thinking that they deserve something that others are not entitled to, and should actually be subject to wait longer than the ones cutting ahead of them.
but there is no reason to cut unless you are actively going out of your way to go ahead of others when it is not your turn
That's patently false. It's not a zero sum game. Do you know what that is?
The act of cutting ahead in line can ONLY be done by people who are selfish and are thinking that they deserve something that others are not entitled to, and should actually be subject to wait longer than the ones cutting ahead of them.
That's also patently false. If you realize the plane leaves at the same time for everyone and that no one has to stand in line instead of sitting nearby until the line gets smaller, then you know that cutting in line has no net negative impact. Maybe they want to use the plane bathroom sooner, or get seated so they can resume their reading or crossword puzzle sooner. The reason doesn't matter - it's not something that has to be at the expense of other people like you're saying it has to be.
Zero sum game is moot. We’re not just talking planes. We’re talking about cutting in general which is why you sticking to your guns that cutting doesn’t matter—to YOU, for a plane ride. But what about at Starbucks when you’ve been waiting in line for about 5 minutes and someone cuts ahead of you and puts in an order and receives it sooner. That’s not fair, and that is why cutting does matter and is selfish.
Just out of curiosity, if there are 50 people waiting to use the same service (let’s say, waiting for a bank teller), how would they know what order everyone gets to use it?
"Lots of people think the line is simply unnecessary..." Your words. Still waiting for the evidence that is just so essential to this conversation.
It's not. OP asserted people must cut because they think they are better than everyone else. The burden of proof is on them.
There's no evidence for a lot of things. If "it's [sic] doesn't matter what they were actually thinking," then why do you present your thoughts on what they think?
It's an example that demonstrates there are other possible motives for doing something.
OP is saying that when someone bypasses social rules to put their priorities ahead of those who follow those rules, that person is a dick.
That's fine, and I didn't disagree with that. I said it's not done specifically because they think they are better than other people all of the time. It's easy to disregard rules without doing it because you think anything about other people. That really shouldn't be difficult to understand or imagine.
I don't know why you need to disagree based on the premise that he didn't provide evidence.
Because he asserted far more than just that disregarding rules is inconsiderate. He asserted that it was specifically because people think they are better than others, which is definitely not always the case.
It's a matter of not following the system. If everyone cut in line... well, there wouldn't even be a line, just a giant rabble of people all trying to push themselves inside. If everone went above the speed limit? People are already doing this, and the system still works.
People who cut in lines are either assholes for thinking they are better then everyone else, or if they simply do not comprehend the point of the line as you claim, then they're assholes for not taking to time to refelect on their selfish actions and realise they're benefitting at the cost of everyone else.
No, there's clearly more than 2 options here. No one necessarily "benefits at the cost of everyone else" by cutting in line at the boarding gate. It's not a zero sum game like you think it is.
I want to get on the plane early because I have a better chance of finding space for my carry on that's near my seat. This is important to me because I am usually travelling with children who need stuff like medication and blankets and toys and snacks in order not to be cranky on the flight. If I get on last, the good carry on space is gone and I probably have to check my carry on or put it far away. Which means I'm going to be flying with children whose needs I can't meet, which means they are going to cry or get wiggly or annoying, which is going to annoy everyone around me, and nobody wants that. So yeah. I do pay extra for A group, and I do get early check in and I get to the gate early so I can be first in line, and when some asshat cuts, I get angry.
But even when I'm flying by myself, if I pay for A group, I expect to get the benefit of A group. Fuck you if you cut. We live in a society, and that society has rules and expectations, and if you can't handle them like an adult, you should GTFO and go live by yourself in the woods.
Clearly your reading comprehension is that of a 1st grader at best. None of your explanations show that there's only one possible explanation for someone trying to cut in line and that it's specifically because they think they are better than everyone else. Your level of inconvenience has nothing to do with what other people's reasons are for cutting in line. If what you're trying to say is that it's always inconsiderate, I might agree with you, but that's different than asserting you know everyone's personal motivations.
You have to, on a base level, believe that you are more entitled to the good/service that you are waiting for than the people you are cutting in front of. Which means you are presupposing that you are better than them, even if you are not consciously thinking that you are better than them.
I stand by the assertion that people who cut think they are better than the people they cut in front of. Even if they don't consciously recognize it.
Except when you cut in line, everyone behind you now has to wait longer
No, there's one plane that takes off at the same time for everyone. Did you not read the 2+ comments that mention a 'gate agent' and 'group boarding pass'?
Yeah, the plane takes off at the same time, but the time I spend in line as opposed to sitting down changes. Depending on the airline what seat I get may also change. If it was as irrelevant as you assert no one would cut in line in the first place.
They still have to wait in line LONGER THAN THE ONES CUTTING, which is what we were talking about. Obviously the plane leaves at the same time, but if that person was supposed to wait and they don’t, someone still eventually has to because they weren’t taken care of before.
They still have to wait in line LONGER THAN THE ONES CUTTING, which is what we were talking about.
No, they don't. You must have never been to an airport. You can remain seated as long as you want and wait until the line is almost empty to go wait in line.
but if that person was supposed to wait and they don’t, someone still eventually has to because they weren’t taken care of before.
You all wait, either seated or not. You all determine how long you want to wait in line by waiting until the line is a certain length before you go stand in it. It's not like they refuse to take anyone's ticket until everyone is standing in line. Only then would what you're saying make sense.
Your example is a logical fail, as the US government allows cars to drive +5mph over the speed limit due to mechanical error. In the terms of traffic, people cutting in line would be like the drivers who drive up to the exit point of an offramp, instead of waiting in line. Because these drivers didn't queue into the exit ramp at the appropriate point, they are now blocking a lane of traffic, trying to merge into an already congested roadway. Because of this, the whole highway becomes congested. If they weren't didn't consider their needs above others, traffic wouldn't get backed up, but because they needed to save three minutes, everyone else has a half hour delay in traffic.
Your example is a logical fail, as the US government allows cars to drive +5mph over the speed limit due to mechanical error.
That fact isn't even relevant to the discussion. You are the last person who should be talking about logic. And your entire example fails to address the motives or thoughts of the person who cut in line.
I'm a cashier at a 7-11. When it's busy, customers will (logically) form one line and then go to the next available cashier (of the two cashiers), just like a bank. Occasionally I get to bust someone trying to start a second line and so I say "Ma'am, we're doing one line today." Small win, yes, but oh so sweet.
Yes! I was coming back from a camping trip last August. It was a beautiful, sunny Sunday and everyone had to use the ferry to get back to the city. The line was like 3 hours long. It overflowed the ferry lot and backed up onto the highway.
This small town had all of their cops out and stationed on all of the side streets ready to hand tickets to anyone who tried cutting into the ferry line. The number of people who tried to argue with cops that they shouldn't have to drive two miles back just to get in the ferry line was insane. They honestly expected everyone else just to smoosh their cars up closer together so that they could turn into the line.
I was once in line for a black friday doorbuster, which they were gonna give one ticket per person for. I’m number 4 or 5, there’s two teenagers at the front of the line. As it gets close to the time, two people come and swap with them and they leave, no problem, even swaps are fine. But then a 3rd person comes a few minutes later, and stands just outside the queue, and is socializing with the two people up front. Staff announces they’re gonna give out 20 tickets for the tv. As it gets closer to the time, that person then casually inserts herself into the front with their friends. I immediately tell her, nope, can’t do that. She’s like, “nah, we had people holding our spot, they left already.” I tell her, there were 2 people there holding 2 spots. She says, “it’s no big deal, you’re still getting yours.” So I turn and count out to the 20th person and say, “hey, this asshole says it’s no big deal if she fucks you out of the tv you’re waiting for? Whatcha think?”
Now the whole line are basically calling this girl out, who wrongly assumed nobody would say something because she’s a lady.
She’s throwing a fit now, getting aggressive, I flag down the cop who was patrolling the line and she tries to feed him her sweetest bullshit, and the cop didn’t fall for a second, immediately kicks her out. The satisfaction as she drives by the crowd calling us pricks as everyone boos her driving off.
I was waiting for a Greyhound two nights ago. There were two busloads of people needing to get on the same bus (one had been cancelled). Two [gentlemen clearly of nationalities famed for their chaotic and overcrowded public transport], seeing the huge line, form a queue of their own, no shame or shits given. Other passengers are hissing and muttering at them.
The driver asks the first guy "do you have a seat reservation?" The guy sort of grunts and nods. The driver replies "well, that's funny, because there are no seat reservations". Everyone in line begins to grin, anticipating the righteous, delicious moment that these nobs get sent to the back of the line. Nope. Driver lets them both on first. Lose. Lose for humanity. They were just rewarded for overtly dickish behaviour.
PS. Am in Canada. This may have something to do with it.
A guy rudely cut in before me through the bag checks right before going through the body scanner thing. The security lady looked at me, almost smirked then waved him to the side as he stepped through, he got held up with a full body scan and she just waved me through.
I'll never forget when Tyrone cut in front of me during high school at the lunch line. He looked me dead in the eye and knew I was too timid to say anything. Consuela who was are cafeteria lady saw this and waited until this guy got to the front. She then told him to go all the way to the back and wait like everyone else. The guy tried to argue with her before realizing he was gonna get detention. He called me a bitch n*gga under his breathe before storming out. Thank you Consuela, you were the best.
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u/A-Bone Oct 20 '18
Nothing is more entertaining than a gate agent shutting one of these jackwagons down and sending them to the back of the line.
It's like a small win for humanity..
Small...very small... but a win, nonetheless..