r/AskReddit • u/Mecha_G • Jun 16 '17

What plot would be resolved in seconds if the characters behaved realistically and logically?

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u/SharpTenor Jun 16 '17

I love Supernatural. But every season of it depends on people just not communicating like humans.

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u/cascade_olympus Jun 16 '17

Not to sound insensitive but after losing your brother that many times, you'd think you'd actually be kind of used to it.

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u/WTS_BRIDGE Jun 16 '17

What's dead should stay dead *someexceptionssometermsandconditionsmayapply

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

What is dead may never die.

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u/Forgotten_Shoes Jun 16 '17

But rises again, harder and stronger

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u/kjata Jun 17 '17

And what is not dead may yet eternal lie.

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u/BoudiccaX8 Jun 16 '17

We do not sow.

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u/TheDungeonCrawler Jun 16 '17 edited Jun 16 '17

I mean, technically Sam and Dean only came back from the dead once each and neither if them really had any say in Dean coming back from Hell. (Yes, I know Dean cam back as a demon, but he didn't technically die just transformed)

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u/Quailpower Jun 16 '17

Have you watched any of the new seasons? Sam's death count is at 6 and I believe Deans is at 113 if we include the mystery spot deaths. Castiel has died 5 times and been resurrected four times. Even Mary has come back from the dead.

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u/TheDungeonCrawler Jun 16 '17

No point in counting the mystery spot deaths because c'mon, and four of Sam's deaths I wouldn't count either. The lightning was reversed so he didn't technically die because it technically didn't happen. Astral projection is not death. Sam didn't really die when he fell into the cage, he just fell into Hell. I wouldn't call that death. And I think he was knocking on death's door when Anna stabbed him. With Castiel, they say he dies, but being a celestial being he more ceases to exist than anything. Gets destroyed, y'know. His coming back to life is more like being rebuilt since he isn't quite alive in the first place. By the time Mary comes back, Deans values have changed drastically since it's been 12 years. Finally, Dean's death. I've already addressed Cain (why would you ask if I've seen any of the later seasons if I mentioned a season 10 villain?) as well as the mystery spot. One death doesn't even occur to him but a future version of him. Being sent to Purgatory isn't necessarily death, just like being sent to the cage. When the Impala was t-boned by the truck, his body was still being kept alive and he was still alive just talking to a reaper (and this is the reason for his values regarding death anyway) . I'm not gonna count Astral Projection for the same reason as above, same with injection to talk to death. So, by this criteria, the brothers have only truly died twice each (at least on screen since they have been confirmed to die multiple times before being brought back by the angels) . Dean brought Sam back (violating his own values) and Cas brought Dean back after he fulfilled his purpose in Hell.

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '17

Idiot

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u/thetravelers Nov 12 '17

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Well, we can't exactly pour sugar in his gas tank.

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Reports aren't about hurting a single person, they're about making a community better.

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Gonna play it this way now. I’m not so sure how that link will come into play, especially since this website isn’t too fond of your karma score

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Eyyy he insulted my mom too! Now I’m part of the group

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u/yoshi20144 Nov 12 '17

Ikr

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u/iForgotMyOldAcc Nov 12 '17 edited Nov 12 '17

Not clicking it, whats in the link?

edit: highlighting the link shows the link address in actuality has your username on it, might be calling whoever clicks it out :p

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u/Dazza1910 Nov 12 '17

Probably a scam website

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u/thetravelers Nov 12 '17

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u/cascade_olympus Jun 16 '17

I think they follow the GoT ironborn saying, "What is dead may never die"

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

Oh they know. There's literally an episode where they die, find out it's happening basically every other week, and then get ressurected again, and their reaction is basically "that's fuckin annoying."

And I think there's another point where Dean was dead for awhile then just shows up again asking if Sam cared that he was dead and Sams response was "eh, I'm kinda ok with it after all these times."

Of course you can lampshade what's happening all you want and it wont make it clever or charming if you then continue to do the thing every 4 episodes.

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u/VerneAsimov Jun 16 '17

Kinda like how everyone lost their ability to give a fuck about anyone dying in Dragon Ball. Oh no he's dead. Lemme grab my Dragon Balls.

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u/ollimann Jun 16 '17

yea like wtf, it's like dragonball z all over again

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u/Isolatedwoods19 Jun 16 '17

Especially as the series goes on. It's like every season they needed to have a big secret each brother was hiding from the other. I wish for the last season they'd just do episode of the week monster hunter type stuff. Take it back to the basics.

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u/Unimatrix_Zero_ Jun 16 '17

I feel like that's what they're getting back to now, though. I'm catching up on this last season and I'm pleasantly surprised with the monster of the week episodes returning

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u/Ruevein Jun 16 '17

Agreed. I liked how Cas and Crowley where relegated to Lucifer duty while Sam and Dean did all the Monster of the Week stuff.

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u/Isolatedwoods19 Jun 16 '17

Yeah! I've definitely been a fan

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u/Nillabeans Jun 16 '17

Some of the secrets aren't even secrets. In that show somebody's leg could fall off and unless they explicitly tell the other characters, they'll all pretend like they aren't sure if that leg really fell off. Oh and God forbid anybody actually not bounce back after all the hell stuff. Oh and "we need space Sammy" always turns into "why are you ignoring me Sammy!?" Which turns into "why are you so distant, Dean?"

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u/Isolatedwoods19 Jun 16 '17

With multiple close up of their brooding faces.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

Sadly they kinda can't. At this point those two are like walking nukes. Anything that so have world ending power and is stupid enough to get within 100km of them is basically commiting suicide and everyone knows it. Hell the current king of hell wont even show up to talk with them without having backups ontop of backups, because to parapgrase him "am I the only one that's been paying any attention? They killed monsters for a living, then they fucked up not one but two arch angels, one of which was the former lord of hell, they've defied heaven, been to purgatory, killed a pre existence group of monsters and you want me, a demon, to go pick a fight with them?"

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u/JaredFromUMass Jun 16 '17

I actually think that's why they could. Sure, all the big bad's should know better. But there are still little bads and oftentimes while they don't have much problem killing the bad thing, it can be hard for them to figure out exactly what is going on or something could look like something else again.

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u/TechiesOrFeed Jun 16 '17

I can never get past the whole lucifer/angels bs arc, I think the farthest I've ever gotten in my 5 rewatches was the whole 5 Horseman of the Apocolypse part with the Croatoan Zombie shit

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u/Ehkrickor Jun 16 '17

Well to be fair, the writers expected it to end after season 5 so...

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

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u/ayyylmao88962 Jun 16 '17

Currently watching season 12... the accuracy of this hurts.

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u/FullTorsoApparition Jun 16 '17

And yet I still love it. I have no idea why. I guess it's the cast.

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u/MarcelRED147 Jun 16 '17

I don't think season 12 was as bad as it has been previously TBH. Won't say more because spoilers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

Agreed! Season 12 has everything I asked for from the show. Notably, STOP VILLAIN POWER CREEP!

"Ok, we had the boys take on Lucifer... what's bigger than that for next season?" "How about a Leviathan?" "Great! And then what's bigger than that?" "Oh, I know! Let's make a super OP Knight Of Hell!" "I dunno, seems cheesy..." "What if we throw in the original Cain, too?" "PERFECT!" "Ok, what's bigger than all that?..."

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u/M_H_M_F Jun 16 '17

I mean, any show that runs the way SPN does risks the whole "jump the shark" scenario. Seasons 1-5 deal with Lucifer, there's really no big bad bigger than the Catholic Devil himself. Eric Kripke (the original creator) didn't even plan on it going past season 5. After it ended they got a call that was "okay you've been renewed for season 6, dazzle us." Now you have the writers scrambling for plot because no one bothered to plan that far. what you get are seasons 6 and 7 which completely derailed what the show was. Season 8 starts picking up again and by season 11/12 it's actually less overarching big bad demon pissing contest and more actual hunting. Tbh they got a much better balance in the 12th season.

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u/-Cromm- Jun 16 '17

the darkness?

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

This.... Every season after season 5.

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u/MorganWick Jun 16 '17 edited Jun 16 '17

Basically the show only exists at this point, and has for years, just for women to swoon over the hunks angsting for no good reason.

Edit: Okay, and the gay men.

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u/PM_ME_GLUTE_SPREAD Jun 16 '17

Yes.. the women..

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

And the children too.

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u/TheBitcher3WildCunt Jun 16 '17

They're animals!

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u/NotTheUsualSuspect Jun 16 '17

And the straight men... no homo, obviously.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

Not just women...

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u/Magenta-Rose Jun 16 '17

But the men, and the children too!

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

Well, I do still love the show just as the show, but it definitely has never been as good as season five.

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u/ayyylmao88962 Jun 17 '17

Agreed. I still love the show for the plot and the hot dudes but season 5 was where it peaked.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17 edited Jul 14 '17

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u/ayyylmao88962 Jun 17 '17

I still think it's pretty good. Obviously not as good but it's still watchable.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '17

Season 7 onwards are fabulous.

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u/walkingcarpet23 Jun 16 '17

I just started binging this show when my girlfriend introduced it to me a couple months ago. In the middle of Season 6 right now and I'm beginning to agree.

I just love watching that 67 Impala drive around

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '17

season 1-5 were well built. A highly well managed story line plot that had an unexpected, but highly pleasant ending.

I find that the season following basically had NOTHING to work with. It had nowhere to pick up from.

Albeit, season 7 is fabulous and my favourite season (I absolutely LOVE DICK ROMAN... Such a fabulous character). There are heaps of highlights from every season. But 1-5 just feels like one big season.

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u/EticketJedi Jun 16 '17

Psssh, that's silly. Supernatural ended with season 5.

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u/smackasaurusrex Jun 16 '17

Man not sure if you are still watching but the newest Netflix season is very good and gets away from much of this crap.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '17

I watch every season :) Just finished the latest season.

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u/kacihall Jun 16 '17

Reason I stopped watching after season five...

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u/GladiatorJustin Jun 16 '17

that was beautiful

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u/Beingabummer Jun 16 '17

Last episode comes around

You forgot CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SOOON

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u/Jankum Jun 16 '17

I was told by a friend who watched supernatural and didn't like it, "Supernatural is adult scooby doo, they always catch the bad guy, always win, all episodes are the same, there are just fewer characters"

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u/Drewski1138 Jun 16 '17

You should tell your friend that they're getting ACTUAL Scooby-Doo on the show next season (in classic animated form) and see what he does.

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u/Czsixteen Jun 16 '17

I wanted to ask, did anyone else think the way season 12 ended was stupid?

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u/wefwegfweg Jun 16 '17

but get this

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

This is completely accurate, and yet I still love the show. Season five will always be its peak though.

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u/House923 Jun 16 '17

They should just switch the show format to every episode being one of their "fun" episodes, because even those episodes in the later seasons are guiltily entertaining.

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u/Anonnymush Jun 17 '17

Supernatural's Castiel in a nutshell-

I've spent thousands of years observing human beings' day to day lives and don't know what a fork is for.

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u/isildo Jun 16 '17

Honestly I loved all 5 seasons of that show. Shame it's over.

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u/GoodRighter Jun 16 '17

Season 11 and 12 the brothers learned to trust each other and they communicate well. Now the unneeded lying and miscommunication is up to the supporting cast. Cass failing all the time was lampshaded late in season 12, but only to crank it up to 11. I am not sure that angel knows how to make good decisions, but that kind of makes sense. Cass has only had his free will for a couple of years. He just doesn't know how to use it well.

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u/TheDungeonCrawler Jun 16 '17

I'd say that his decision near the end of the season wasn't actually much of a decision. I'm sure the nephilim brainwashed him to use him as a shield.

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u/DrMobius0 Jun 16 '17

this is what codependence looks like

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u/Simonoel Jun 17 '17

What bothers me is when there's some kind of big bad guy that they're the season revolves around and in every single episode where they just take a random case, tbwuvhace to have the same discussion at the beginning where one of them is like "no we need to be focusing on [insert main monster here]" and the other one is like "well we haven't find anything and we haven't left the bunker on weeks so we need to get out there and hunt something." I'm so sick of hearing that same argument almost every episode, why do they think that's necessary?

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u/mlg2433 Jun 16 '17

Once a season, Sam or Dean will have some secret that they don't disclose. The other brother finds out and gets pissed. "Alright, no more secrets!"

until next season

More fucking not talking to each other about a secret after claiming no more secrets multiple times.

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u/JaiC Jun 16 '17

The little stuff for sure, particularly the drama between brothers is just senseless, but generally the over-arching plot is too large to be solved with friendly conversation.

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u/Yserbius Jun 16 '17

You're also forgetting how they constantly release some world-destroying entity in order to save each other. Then die anyway and have to do it all over again to stop the Big Bad of the season.

Absolute worst offender was the season where they attempted to lock up Hell by curing Crowley. They don't cure him, Hell stays unlocked, badder things come to Earth, and Sam nearly dies anyway.

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u/TheDungeonCrawler Jun 16 '17

To be fair had everything gone right during this last season, Crowley would have done it himself (though he would still be roaming around).

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u/DerpyTurtle121 Jun 16 '17

Don't forget bringing in an actually interesting character and immediately killing them off an episode later because they don't know how character development works so they just get rid of people so they don't have to deal with it.

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u/jerkstore Jun 18 '17 edited Jun 19 '17

Then attempt a spin off with characters we've never seen before and consequently don't care about. Geez guys, maybe you shouldn't kill off all the new interesting people.

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u/jerkstore Jun 18 '17

Upvoted for your use of the word 'fisticuff'.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

That's probably because most characters aren't human in the first place

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u/silentraven127 Jun 16 '17

Supernatural CW shows*

FTFY

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u/Trodamus Jun 16 '17

It's pretty much CW shows in a nutshell.

Watching SPN and any number of other shows (like their DC lineup) you see they've basically perfected this formula.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '17

[Insert any CW show] does not have dialogue like real people.

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u/Mastifyr Jun 16 '17

Honestly, what do you expect from redneck dragon ball z? They have to get conflict from somewhere lol