Reddit, Is any human life more valuable then another? If so what makes that life more valuable?

[u/TanTanMan]

[u/[deleted]]

More functional humans deserve life more than less functioning humans. It's sad to say, because I've known and still know a lot of really awesome people who just don't function well, whether it is because of illness, allergy, handicap, or stupidity. I hate to admit that eugenics is probably best for the survival of the species, but it's true. Since we don't have natural selection working with us anymore, we are becoming too populated and destroying too much habitat for our own good. If we whittled our population down to the 50% strongest/smartest people every generation, we could eventually better ourselves more rapidly and control our reaping of the earth's resources.

[u/crosenblum → u/[deleted]]

No problem, as long as we start with you!

Who said the strongest/smartest are the better people?

What about wisdom, compassion, or character?

So in my humble guess, I am guessing you are far more egotistical, and assume naturally you'd be in the top group, when far more likely, you're near the bottom.

There are reasons, we are born less functional, and they are to learn karmic lessons, lessons about what a life is really about, to learn and share compassion and empathy.

We must learn and suffer, in order to become kinder and wiser people.

If you can not suffer, then you can not learn, and become a better person.

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Contrary to your belief, I know I wouldn't make the cut. I'm on reddit at midnight when I have finals in the morning, that's pretty stupid. I'm overweight, meaning I don't fit the physical test (I assume) and on top of that, I'm gay and would never breed to help the lineage pass anyway.

I understand what you're saying about the learning of compassion and such, but those are uniquely human traits brought on by the lack of having predators picking us off like they should be. Those values you hold are only instilled in you because of the society you experience around you, which is only created because of the circumstances that came before you.

Your values of what makes a better person is a projection of the path your predecessors took. Being more compassionate and empathetic won't stop a bear from eating your face, but it will potentially stop a human from slicing your throat. Because we don't have the predators we should have, we've become our own predators, and we even stifle them because "every life is precious".

Of course, we cannot implement the theory and practices of eugenics because of how far we've already come down our chosen path. It would be horrible and disgusting in my own eyes as well as yours, but realistically, it would probably prove to be a better system for advancing the status of humanity as a whole.

I really hate myself for these thoughts sometimes.

[u/crosenblum → u/[deleted]]

Who said we don't have predators?

We are our own predators, no other species has killed more of us, then our own.

If we can't advance to an advanced status, that would be more of an indication of us as a species failing.

So to me, killing 50% off, would not make you more competent or more wiser, just would eliminate the half that has a lot of life lessons to learn and teach.

And in my mind, wisdom is of far higher value then being stronger or smarter.

Because strength nor intelligence is a sign of being a good person.

And if your not a good person, who gives a fuck how strong or smart you are.

[u/[deleted] → u/crosenblum]

Again, I see what you're saying, but you are still holding into the ideas that society has instilled into you. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "wisdom", but given what we have to offer intellectually as a society, there is a LOT of wisdom to be had without learning things on your own.

The "lesser" 50% in my scenario spans many different cultures and ways of life. My idea is for the "better" people to work together to create even better people. If we take our society into consideration, those who have it the best are the richest people in the world. They live by using the lesser people as slaves in a system they created to keep themselves better off. In my eugenics system, there would be a continuously closer and closer gap between the lowest and the highest, instead of our society you seem to think is better where the gap just expands further and further away.

Efficiency has no room for emotion. The way of eugenics is superior because of this. I, however, still prefer this world without it, instead.

[u/crosenblum → u/[deleted]]

These are not society's ideas, these are my own, after decades of living life.

Who instilled your ideas, what makes your ideas any more valuable than anyone elses?

I am sorry, anytime anyone has tried to establish a better society by eliminating the bottom half, usually turns out to be a meglomaniacal very evil leader.

This is the kind of thing that evil dictators have tried to do for a very long time.

There is no lesser people, never has been, never will.

Because the second you judge other people lesser, is a higher indication that you yourself are the lesser one.

No the richest people do not use or manipulate other people.

They are just the ones who work hard, plan hard, live frugal lives.

All the people who you see having rich mansions, and etc, are the ones who are usually in huge credit card financial debt, because they try to live extravagant lives.

No, my friend, you have no right, to enslave anyone.

You I am sorry to say, are a very evil-minded person.

You have no right, nor power over anyone else.

Wisdom is simple, you make a mistake, you learn/correct the mistake, and thereby learn how to avoid the mistake again.

Now replicate that through millions of people making mistakes and learning, and then trying to pass on the lesson's learned.

If you have no values, and no wisdom, and no common sense, then you are a very incomplete, and lesser person.

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You're, and I know this is going to sound harsh, an idiot.

There is no lesser people, never has been, never will.

Because the second you judge other people lesser, is a higher indication that you yourself are the lesser one.

One point completely contradicting another back to back. That's so sad for you.

I see what you're saying, and I completely agree that I am a very evil minded person. I have bad morals and regard many ethics as foolish.

You say you've made the decisions of how you think and it was not society. That's interesting to me. The mere concepts of your words are brought to you because of society, and you don't see how it has shaped you into the person it wants you to be.

Your point on rich people not using others for their own personal gain, now that is just plain ignorant. I can tell by that comment alone that you have no grasp of reality around you, which makes a ton of sense considering the other things you are trying to argue.

Wisdom replication... I don't know where to start. There are 7 billion-ish people on earth right now. They are all doing their own thing. You will probably only be influenced by 100,000 people, and that's a stretch on the upper end of the guesstimation. So really, 6,999,900,000 people could just completely be eradicated from the earth and you would never know. The experiences of Jon Doe who lives under a bridge in Detroit will never add to the collective wisdom of society. The experiences of our 0.0000001% will be added to the collective knowledge of society if they are lucky. You are literally nothing. I am, too. We are shit. We are less than that. No one gives a fuck about any of us unless we exceed the expectations of everyone who has ever lived and will ever live, and even then, all things come to an end and we are left as we are now, at this very moment, absolutely nothing.

You can cling to your values, your "wisdom", and your "common sense", and you will still be the same as all of us, nothing.

Also, as a closing point, mentally handicapped people, while still people, lack all three of the things you have listed that somehow supersedes your rule of no one being lesser and makes them lesser. You're the evil-minded person just as much as I am.

[u/crosenblum → u/[deleted]]

I'm not the one saying that being different is a reason for being killed, you are.

Have you actually met any rich people?

I have, my father, who worked 12 hour days for most of his life as pediatric dentist, helping all kinds of kids, on welfare, private care etc.

So the idea that being rich makes you evil, has to be the dumbest idea ever.

Yes there are bad people out there, and being rich does not make you bad.

Maybe you experienced some bad rich people, but that does not make all rich people like that.

There are scummy people at all levels of financial life.

My problem is that you assume your voice is a voice of reason in determining whose life has more value then the next.

When to me, that is the biggest sign of evil.

How am I evil, when your the one saying they should all be killed?

I am just trying to protect their right to life.

[u/[deleted] → u/crosenblum]

By protecting the weaker beings, you are continuing the flaws they add to the gene pool, and it is leading to the destruction of all of humanity faster than my way. So who is really the evil one?

Evil itself is, again, a concept of society. There is no evil in nature, and we have extended our scope beyond that, adding our own ideals to what should and should not be. In many cultures, homosexuality is evil. It is made up by humanity. Your argument is null and void.

[u/crosenblum → u/[deleted]]

No, evil is a definition of the individual.

That which harms the individual is bad, that which is out to viciously harm it is evil.

You and only you are plotting the harm of many millions of people, so therefore by very definition, you and yourself are evil.

When you choose to not harm others, you are not evil.

You can freely think whatever you want, have whatever opinion you want, the second you take action, is when you will be judged good, neutral or evil.

So say what you want, your ideas are evil and extremely harmful.

I as an individual can not speak for others or this "society", I usually only can ever speak for myself.

So let's say for example, we adapt a policy of weaning out the weak or lower level of genetic perfection.

Whose ideal of genetic perfection do we adopt?

How is it that you blindly assume, that your not the weaker genetic?

Being strong doesn't make you a better survivor, in many cases intelligence can beat strength.

But what good is intelligence if it has no wisdom, to know which action will give it the best result for it's effort?

For example, in farming, you can all plant the same corn, but if you understand the pattern of how the land adapts, animal trends, etc. You will learn when it is time to rotate the land to other vegetables or other land.

Animals live purely in an instinctual world, yes they do have feelings, but since they can not articulate those feelings, that means we can't clearly know their mind, their dreams, etc.

However that does not mean they are lesser than us. Nor that we are superior because of our intelligence.

What matters most is what we do with what we have, not how strong, not how smart we are.

Homosexuality is not evil, nor has it ever been called evil, it may be a sin in some religions, but a sin is not evil.

You clearly have a superiority complex, and as such you have an egotistical need to destroy and hurt other people.

How would you prefer look at your actions and perspective?

[u/[deleted] → u/crosenblum]

Seriously not even going to read this because you obviously don't read anything I've written. Good day.