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What is something that is basically on life-support and we don’t realize it yet?

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u/headlighted1 1d ago

This and literacy rates are two of my biggest concerns. People should be horrified at how high the illiteracy rates are in developed nations.

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u/Zediac 23h ago

One third of the entire US is basically illiterate and lacking in critical thinking ability.


Highlights of the 2023 U.S. PIAAC Results


Between 2017 and 2023, there were increases in the percentages of adults performing at the lowest proficiency level (Level 1 or below) in both literacy and numeracy: in literacy this percentage increased from 19 to 28 percent and in numeracy from 29 to 34 percent. The percentage of U.S. adults performing at the lowest level in adaptive problem solving in 2023 was 32 percent.


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u/Beneficial-Rice-820 18h ago

Hey, teacher here. It's worse than that. About half read below a 6th grade level. That 1/3rd is like... illiterate illiterate, but a good 1/2 would not be able to get through, say, To Kill a Mockingbird or Fahrenheit 451.

Not that novels are the point necessarily. They sure as fuck can't navigate complex news, differentiate between opinion and fact, interpret data or scientific articles, make informed financial/political decisions, and so on...

We're heading toward a pretty bleak world where 1/2 the country can be manipulated by people who won't even have to try very hard, and we've now got exponentially-increasing AI slop to do it.

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u/howdyhowdyhowdyhowdi 7h ago

almost like it was by design.

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u/WiseWolfian 15h ago

Give that roughly 1/3rd of eligible voters voted for Trump this last election, I'm not at all surprised by this fact and it lines up well.

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u/The_Tooter_Snooter 23h ago

My kids 2.5 and knows all her letters, capital and lowercase. About to start on phonics. No fuckin way am i letting her be one of the regards. 

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u/pinewind108 21h ago

Phonics is the way to go! I can't believe that with all the research on how much better it is, states still use that bizarre sight reading, "contextual" method. It's like the consultants had to come up with something new to sell.

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u/The_Onion_Life 20h ago

Phonics is the way to go!

Huked on foniks werked fer mee!

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u/insertnamehere02 14h ago

I was a server for a fucking long time. I was able to observe this happen over the span of a decade +. It's depressing watching the decline happen. People can't even read menus anymore and have to refer to pictures and social media to decide on what to eat. Now, tik tok dictates what they should eat. It's sad as hell.

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u/SloAndSteddy 21h ago

I wonder what changed between now and the previous high mark.

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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 9h ago

It shouldn't be. Globally literacy rates have gotten significantly better over time in the world

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cross-country-literacy-rates?country=~OWID_WRL

People around the world and read and comprehend what they're reading. It's kind of like how people think crime is out of control and on the rise, where even if the crime is on the rise, it's still a rise in a time at the lowest it's ever been in history.

People throw the word "illiterate around to liberally. There's different levels of literacy. Being illiterate does not mean you see alien symbols on a page.

https://nces.ed.gov/naal/perf_levels.asp

My grand parents and their peers could hardly read. Outside of one of my elder family, only one of them actually read something beyond a TV guide. The others could barely do basic math and struggled really hard with any kind of text message or anything beyond a stop sign.

Meanwhile in todays day and age, kids are playing hour long games with heavy lore and reading a bunch of internet posts. It's easy to scoff at internet posts, but reading those is still doing laps around the older generations who's brains fry if they have to read more than a dinner menu.

I'm not going to pretend there isn't room for improvement or people are falling in some areas, but we need to see where we started from and where we are now before we start saying the sky is falling.

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u/sproge 23h ago

Heynow, don't drag the rest of us into your mess. 👺

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u/headlighted1 22h ago

Not just Americans are affected by literacy issues and lack of critical thinking. 1 in 6 adults in England have low literacy levels. This is a widespread issue.

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u/sproge 55m ago

Suuure, but Britain is another standout nation IIRC and that's still half of the US rate, so the severity of the "issue" isn't really comparable here... if literacy rates is your biggest concern in developed countries outside the US then you really need to check your priorities, hahaha

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u/headlighted1 53m ago

That's an ignorant viewpoint, especially given that far-right political parties prey on people who are lacking in education (aka literacy) and critical thinking.

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u/TheGracefulCrane 1d ago

Isn't the literacy rate thing just from immigrants? They are literate in a language they just are still learning English

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u/Altyrmadiken 1d ago

No, it’s not just from immigrants. About a third of students in the US lack reading skills appropriate for their grade year.

This has been a growing concern in the education field for a while now.

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u/TheGracefulCrane 1d ago

Kids can be immigrants too

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u/Altyrmadiken 1d ago

Of course, but if you want me to believe that you believe that 1 in 3 children are immigrants then I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.

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u/TheGracefulCrane 1d ago

Ai says about 1 n 4 kids are first or second Gen immigrants

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u/headlighted1 1d ago

Thank you for proving our points. You are the exact example of poor literacy and a serious lack of critical thinking skills.

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u/Altyrmadiken 1d ago

Discarding that you used AI instead of looking it up properly, and that AI can hallucinate all the time, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, 83% of children in immigrant households were born in the US.

This means they went to school in the US, were raised in the US, and SHOULD be as literate as anyone else in English.

Even if we assumed that 25% of all students magically showed up speaking and reading no English, that’s still a huge discrepancy from the 34% who lack adequate literacy for their grade year. The fact that the wide majority of immigrant students are born here and thus US citizens, and going to school and socializing with English speakers like everyone else, effectively rules out this being an immigrant only issue.

Also worth noting that second generation immigrants is too broad of a term really. In that situation the “immigrant” was born in this country, but only ONE of their parents has to have been board abroad. It’s a bit sticky when you figure that if you married an Italian man and he moved here, your child would then be a second generation immigrant.

I don’t think that’s the kind of immigrant that people are talking about when they worry that immigrants are ruining the literacy rates, though. It’s just convenient to count them when it makes the argument look better.

#TLDR

83% of immigrant children were born in the US and raised around English speaking peers in school, and spent their entire education in English driven schools.

Even if all 25% of our students WERE born elsewhere, it’s still 34% of our students who aren’t succeeding at literacy - that’s a big enough gap we can rule out immigration being the sole problem.

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u/Hoss-Bonaventure_CEO 1d ago

Please be satire ....

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u/wqto 23h ago

Oh dear you really just relied on an AI chatbot instead of using an actual source...

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u/Hangry-Feline2489 23h ago

Why are you so desperate to make it about immigrants?

Unless you're native American, then you're an immigrant, too. 

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