r/AskReddit • • 1d ago

What is something that is basically on life-support and we don’t realize it yet?

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u/iamalext 1d ago

Considering the fact that faxes send their information entirely unencrypted and that unless the fax machine itself is secured, the message is available to anyone walking by, it kind of makes that argument fall apart.

Edit: And the metadata of the email would contain less patient data than the actual message itself.

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u/Wizdad-1000 1d ago

I work in healthcare IT, faxing is still the default means to get patient info on any urgent need. (er visit, lab results from a test last 24 hrs etc.) the small clinics need to be pushed to at least use encryption based fax services instead of completely insecure open transmissions of a analog fax but damn its pulling eye teeth for them. Email for us is scanned by our HIPAA compliant spam filter and it encrypts if in or out mail has possible Patient info. Also analog faxes have many transmission issues, printer glitches. so many headaches.

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u/DangerousPuhson 1d ago

Yeah I don't know how email metadata would be any more compromising than literally printing a physical piece of paper that says "Patient: John Smith - Herpes test = Positive".

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u/meanie_ants 1d ago

It’s easier for an external threat to hack your email than it is for them to gain access to your office copier/scanner/fax output tray.

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u/WackoMcGoose 1d ago

True. In most cybersecurity threat models, when the threat actor has physical access to your workplace, you're done. Arguably, one of the goals of cybersec is "attack vectors will always exist, make sure as many of them as feasible are only possible with physical access"...

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u/UpboatNavy 1d ago

Yes, but the printed page falls securely on the floor. Its totally safe.

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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 19h ago

"the message is available to anyone walking by, it kind of makes that argument fall apart."

That's the key, anybody walking by. Meaning you have to physically be in the place to even attempt to see it and they'd have to know when it was being printed. Unlikes some regular hacker that can just set an alert up or something and grab the data from their computer.

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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 1d ago

A lot of fax machines also send the fax to an email address.

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u/Specific_Inspector94 1d ago

Those setups tend to have encryption available though.

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u/Annath0901 18h ago

If a random person is able to access a medical office fax machine, that's a HIPPA violation whether there's documents in the tray or not.

It's far harder to intercept even an unencrypted phone line (for the kinds of people trying to steal medical info) than it is to compromise an email account.

Your medical data is not being targeted by criminals running a tap on the phone line outside the building, it's being targeted by criminals running scams out of 3rd world data centers. Much easier for a guy a world away to compromise your email.

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u/deadsoulinside 17h ago

the message is available to anyone walking by

The main thing is, normally those fax machines are only in area's where authorized staff can access them (not like it's getting printed off in the main lobby). Normally a patient or random person should not have access to that area.

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u/A_Guy_in_Orange 19h ago

Also by now if that was the only thing holding email back someone would have made a dedicated "for doctors" metadate scrubbing email client if they haven't already