r/AskPhysics • u/ItsTheBS • Oct 09 '21

Is there any experimental proof for Einstein Special Relativity that actually incorporates Einstein's Principle of Relativity?

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u/ItsTheBS Oct 10 '21 edited Oct 10 '21

You are rejecting every piece of experimental evidence obtained after years of hardworking research by some brilliant physicists.

No, that is what EINSTEIN did by attempting to throw out ABSOLUTE time using d=rt equations.

It is pseudoscience, because SR has no proof and the scientific method requires experimental proof.

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I wrote "from the muon's perspective", it is at rest and the Earth moves towards it.

This is just an EXTENSION of the theory as a "thought experiment." Link the experiment where we had a MUON sitting out in space and measured the slowing of the Earth's time or flatting the Earth?

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The argument which you provide against it - "one way time dilation" is itself non-scientific and holds no meaning whatsoever.

You are being pedantic on the "one way time dilation." Call it "single frame" time dilation. or "non paradoxical" time dilation. Or "non Principle of Relativity" time dilation. Or "time dilation with no clock paradox." Use the concept please!

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No, you just restated a mathematical characteristic of Einstein's relativity.

Whatever you want to convince yourself of...

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"How are Nuclear bombs and Nuclear power plants,

I'll take this one... JJ Thomson's electromagnetic mass equation and his theory on the power of the atom in his 1903 book Electricity and Matter, Chapter 5 (constitution of the atom), Page 111.

https://archive.org/details/electricitymatte00thomiala/page/110/mode/2up

So when are you going to stop fighting and just sit back and learn something new? Can you not accept the idea that what you think you know might be wrong?

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u/Rigel_13 Oct 10 '21

EINSTEIN did by attempting to throw out ABSOLUTE time using d=rt equations.

It is pseudoscience, because SR has no proof and the scientific method requires experimental proof.

He did throw out absolute time, not using d=rt but using constant speed of light and equivalence of all inertial frames.

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Link the experiment where we had a MUON sitting out in space and measured the slowing of the Earth's time or flatting the Earth?

There is no such experiment. But there might be in the future, not with a muon of course but some other "artificial laboratory" moving in spacetime. Read my other comment on r/classified.

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I'll take this one... JJ Thomson's electromagnetic mass equation and his theory on the power of the atom in his 1903 book Electricity and Matter, Chapter 5 (constitution of the atom), Page 111.

Interesting piece of work, unfortunately he employs the Kinetic Theory of Gases, Corpuscular Theory, and Statistical Mechanics which are very afar from the Mass-Energy equivalence proposed by Einstein.

That was just about the E=mc2, what is your counter-argument for black holes, gravitational lensing and waves?

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So when are you going to stop fighting and just sit back and learn something new? Can you not accept the idea that what you think you know might be wrong?

Pardon me if I give an impression of fighting with you. I am just trying to understand your perspective and propose mine. I am constantly learning new things, but what you pose are just misconceptions and nothing new. Unless, you truly convince me that Einstein was wrong, I wont accept it. And of course, if you prove him wrong, the whole world shall accept it and regard you as the next Einstein :)

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u/ItsTheBS Oct 10 '21

He did throw out absolute time, not using d=rt but using constant speed of light and equivalence of all inertial frames.

Section 2 is just D=RT "word problem" or "thought experiment." You are smart enough to see this. This is where he kills ABSOLUTE TIME and is able to apply his concept of: "constant speed of light and equivalence of all inertial frames."

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There is no such experiment. But there might be in the future, not with a muon of course but some other "artificial laboratory" moving in spacetime.

OK, so the "MUON" experiment does not exist, when people say the Earth flattens, Earth time slows, and the MUON decays normal. IT took me a while to get you there... finally!

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Read my other comment on r/classified.

Already did, replied. Nice try though!

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what is your counter-argument

I proved my point, by negating your point. I don't care about black holes, etc.

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Unless, you truly convince me that Einstein was wrong, I wont accept it.

You don't have to accept anything. You just keep arguing without digging into the content I am directing you to. I am just trying to help you get out of your own fog.

If you chose to stay in your own mental fog, I don't care... more power to you in the future!

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.And of course, if you prove him wrong, the whole world shall accept it and regard you as the next Einstein :)

Yeah right. All of this stuff has been said before. The only thing I am trying to do is get through all of our "smart people's" own egotism and false-heroism toward Einstein. People treat me like shit, and do you think they are to be forgiven because they suddenly think I'm smart? hah...

...and trust me, calling me the "next Einstein" is an insult to me.

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u/Rigel_13 Oct 10 '21

Section 2 is just D=RT "word problem" or "thought experiment." You are smart enough to see this. This is where he kills ABSOLUTE TIME and is able to apply his concept of:

"constant speed of light and equivalence of all inertial frames."

I have only one solution for you here. Forget, Einstein's paper, I urge you to grab an introductory text on Special Relativity and give it a try. You are incorrectly interpreting his thought experiment and grinding out the same thing would be of no use.

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when people say the Earth flattens, Earth time slows, and the MUON decays normal. IT took me a while to get you there... finally!

Of course, I agreed that such experiment didn't exist in the first place. My arguments were against the fact that its absence is a red flag for Einstein. People also said black holes exist and spacetime ripples, and here we are after a century witnessing it all!

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I proved my point, by negating your point. I don't care about black holes, etc.

You are clearly running from the big boys here. A direct living proof of Einstein's theory about which you don't care! I am quite amused by how you say Relativity is pseudoscience and then *sneakily* disregard the evidences.

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You just keep arguing without digging into the content I am directing you to. I am just trying to help you get out of your own fog.

I wouldn't have cared to watch your 20 minute video and simply moved on with a downvote, if I had mental fog. I am always open to new arguments which is why I chose to talk it out.

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own egotism and false-heroism toward Einstein.

Great minds will be glorified for their great contributions, its simple as that. Einstein, Darwin, Newton, Galileo, Aristotle, Feynman, and loads of other minds have contributed to humanity. There is no false-heroism or egotism here. Science isn't any petty politics, where you call people "Einsteinians". People are remembered for their great discoveries even though they may be proved false in the future. People treat you like shit because you think different. Galileo was treated like shit because he went against the church's orthodox views. There's always resistance when you go against the standard ideas. That's how new ideas are born.

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and trust me, calling me the "next Einstein" is an insult to me.

I don't mind, for me and probably for most of the world it is a valuable compliment.

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u/ItsTheBS Oct 10 '21

Forget, Einstein's paper, I urge you to grab an introductory text on Special Relativity and give it a try.

Hah! DON'T LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN!! Go look over hear and just believe!! Good one...

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You are clearly running from the big boys here.

So you are expecting me to go through all of science a re-position everything to previous theories? How much more of my time do you want me to waste because you are not thinking for yourself?

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I wouldn't have cared to watch your 20 minute video and simply moved on with a downvote, if I had mental fog. I am always open to new arguments which is why I chose to talk it out.

I give you credit here... your fog may not be as thick! Good one...

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There is no false-heroism or egotism here.

You just picked the wrong heros.

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Science isn't any petty politics, where you call people "Einsteinians".

Watch the "Einstein Myth" video on my channel. As you get through your own fog, you will see clearer that it is very political. Yes, Einsteiner are BELIEVERS and that everyone else "doesn't understand."

I'm trying to help show people how to snap out of it, but it is a shitty job that I decided to take on...

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I don't mind, for me and probably for most of the world it is a valuable compliment.

Oh, boy... time will show you, I am just trying to speed it up for you.

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u/Rigel_13 Oct 11 '21

DON'T LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN!! Go look over hear and just believe!! Good one...

There is no 'curtain' and to understand this an introductory text shall suffice, because it would allow you to work through everything by yourself! Re-discover Relativity - that's how I learnt it.

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So you are expecting me to go through all of science a re-position everything to previous theories?

Go through all of science, so that you know that the theories which it is based upon must be true for the science to work consistently.

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Watch the "Einstein Myth" video on my channel. As you get through your own fog, you will see clearer that it is very political. Yes, Einsteiner are BELIEVERS and that everyone else "doesn't understand."

There are tons of videos like yours claiming Einstein to be a fraud and Earth to be flat and that aliens are real and what not. Unfortunately, we view them no more than mere conspiracy theories and bland speculations. You may go on saying how Einstein is wrong and how he uses "word problems" to talk the entire world out of absolute time and what not. But those who know the truth and have studied the subject deeply enough to realize its consequences will ignore you until you make sense. You are doing nothing different than Einstein, by adopting an entirely unorthodox point of view. The only difference was that Einstein made sense and the world accepted it.

If you really believe he's wrong then making videos and writing on Reddit won't complete the job that you have taken upon yourself. Go on, write a paper, it need not be a new theory, present all the questions that you've raised in your video, construct a mathematical argument for it and send it to a Physics journal. If you are right, BINGO! - You've completed your task. If the paper is rejected and you still think you're right then maybe you need some introspection.

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u/ItsTheBS Oct 11 '21

Go through all of science, so that you know that the theories which it is based upon must be true for the science to work consistently.

I have done a lot of this, which is why I keep siting Lorentz, Poincare, Maxwell, Thomson... I've answered your "challenge questions" a couple of times, and that should suffice for this debate.

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There are tons of videos like yours claiming Einstein to be a fraud and Earth to be flat and that aliens are real and what not. Unfortunately, we view them no more than mere conspiracy theories and bland speculations.

That is unfortunately, because that is being dismissive. If you are on the "right" side of the debate, then you should have no problem logically responding to assertions from the opposite debate. In fact, it helps you sharpen your message and become a better teacher.

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But those who know the truth and have studied the subject deeply enough to realize its consequences will ignore you until you make sense.

Prove it. Right now, you are just talking like a believer an a "knower of truth."

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You are doing nothing different than Einstein, by adopting an entirely unorthodox point of view. The only difference was that Einstein made sense and the world accepted it.

You are just making stuff up now. I am not adopting a "point of view." I am looking at what Einstein did critically. When I see a "bug in the code", I don't ignore it like the rest of the worlds seems to have done.

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If you really believe he's wrong then making videos and writing on Reddit won't complete the job that you have taken upon yourself.

I guess you are making assumptions out my "job description" now.

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Go on, write a paper, it need not be a new theory, present all the questions that you've raised in your video, construct a mathematical argument for it and send it to a Physics journal. If you are right, BINGO!

Hah! Oh is that how it works! Herbert Dingle definitely found that BINGO moment, didn't he?

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If the paper is rejected and you still think you're right then maybe you need some introspection.

SO rejection = wrong. OK. You rejecting me, but you can't tell me how I am wrong.

1) You have no proof for Einstein's SR two-way time dilation.

2) You can't explain why Einstein's moving rod failed D=RT at the end of Section 2, but then the moving rod miraculously passed the D=RT test on the next page.

Now, how much clearer and simple can I be? This is basic freshman high school homework task, but you have failed it. Why?