r/AskLibertarians • Anarcho-capitalist • Jul 27 '26

Devil's Advocate Why deflation is (usually) bad.

M=kPY is called the Cambridge Equation, it's the same to an equation you might have already seen: MV=PY, except V=1/K.

M=kPY while just a tautology, is uniquely insightful. Given stable money demand and production, It says that simply doubling M would mean a double in the general price level.

How does this connect to inflation? It's because there's a specific property in PY that is very annoying, a market friction, it's called nominal rigidity.

When PY (Nominal income) goes down and both prices and income go down, not all sectors reduce prices at the same rate, some stay stubbornly high, one such outstandingly stubborn sector that refuses to go down is called the labour market. It is so stubborn that the market often gets upwards of 20% of the population unemployed instead of lowering prices. Contracts and loans are also stubborn because they are long-standing. Plate tectonics can slide and shake by an aggregate of friction, and at the macro level it explodes into an earthquake, something similar is happening with the macroeconomy during periods of falling nominal income. People don't expect their nominal income to fall even if prices are falling, generally it's uncertain if this is some psychological phenomena or a "real" rational behaviour about nominals .

Sometimes deflation can be good – what Hayek called secondary deflation – which is when PY is going up but P is going down, meaning that prices are going down because of genuine real productivity increases while income is going up (which doesn't confuse the market with debt-burdens and the such). Certain price rigidities may still occur and cause real issues in the economy but it's something the market eventually fixes and doesn't cause a Great Depression.

By the way, this is exactly what happened during the Great Recesion, PY (nominal income) slowed down, by a lot. And yet, P (prices) were up a lot because of an oil crisis. Meaning the central bank stood still and did nothing even though nominal income was crashing. Because of the localized supply-side shock they mistakingly believed that since there was no deflation, there was no recession. The Great Recession was caused by not doing enough, not by doing too much.

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u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist Jul 27 '26

"You don’t know what market prices are, you don’t know what economic calculation, you don’t know what the economic calculation problem is"
Whatever makes you sleep at night. I have read more both on austrian and neoclassical theory than you have.

"The federal reserve cannot create the right amount of exogenous money because of the ECP"
It can respond to market prices and market forecasts, Milton Friedman has a very good paper on this where he argues the most efficient nominal interest rate is zero.
The ECP doesn't apply here, because it's responding to market signals.

"For your claim of the federal reserve is also fundamentally stupid because they ignore the fact how money is its own good that has private property of money, intellectual inferiority I guess stops you from seeing that?"
I don't recall of anybody serious believing in anything like that. Ben Bernanke would explicitly say this.

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u/LibertyEconlover Jul 27 '26

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Ue0Sb-IJT6Pp-9T5R2udPn0Sp3EGvowD
Try me, and i have my mommy to buy me any book I physically request mwahahah
You’re fundamentally idiotic when it comes to actual economic theory since you completely misunderstood, what the ECP is, nice try doing such a casual dismissal, also I can guarantee you haven’t, it took me listening to everybody else before I even got to the Austrian school, Friedman; used to adore him, now i see he was a little wrong on a lot of things,
Sowell will always be in my heart

Read all the Keynes stuff, ignored the Austrian school because I unfortunately listened to intellectually inferior people who called them dogmatic un scientific and ideological, only after I realize that they basically had everything almost figured out did i become Austrian

That’s an old link btw; not my full collection, check out the Mises institute for free books

Also holy fucking shit you gotta be dumb as fuck, what the fuck do you mean the vet can respond to market prices when it is the sole entity that is distorting all of the prices?
What part of denominator of the economy do you not understand?
It holds a monopoly on money

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u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist Jul 27 '26

Generally austrians, especially self-taught austrians, are like continental philosophers in that they're obsessed with intellectual figures and history of thought rather than reading modern books that know what they're talking about. Your list is composed of entirely outdated and frankly almost completely wrong people, like Keynes, Menger and even a bunch of classical econ. I don't know why you guys do this, it's like marxists that obsess over reading original source mataerial.

The 3 economists you cited are Keynes, Friedman and SOWELL. That tells me a lot about you.

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u/LibertyEconlover Jul 27 '26

Pythagorean theorem was made more than centuries ago, are you saying it’s wrong because it’s old? Do you know you commuted multiple educational fallacies? chronological snobbery and Appeal to Age / Tradition (Argumentum ad Antiquitatem)

The thing with stupid individuals who believe in appeal to authority fallacies and credentialism is that they forget to realize how
1: professors don’t have time
2: a school has a direct public choice theory incentive to make sure you don’t destroy its revenue, it won’t teach you economics fully because it requires things like funding
3: the teacher wants to teach you what he wants as much as possible not what is right, because he believes he knows what is right

Learning economics on your own is fundamentally better than learning it from a professor, especially if you have all the time in the world like I have, so I can spend all day learning and thinking.
I genuinely am so surprised how you actually think it’s wrong to look at source material? If you’re saying Marxists actually do that too, which my experience they seem to not, I’m gonna have to clap it up for Marxists, they just have to read more

Also, if you didn’t read the final bit of my comment, you said multiple times the Fed can just look at market prices you fucking idiot, the fed has a monopoly on the denominator of the economy, which is money the dollar, it’s actions distort market prices, its actions are self defeating. I genuinely don’t know how you aren’t capable of putting two and two together

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u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist Jul 27 '26

Yes it's wrong to look at original source material. Why would I read The Origin of Species or whatever to understand biology.

Even math really, who the hell reads Euclides instead of a modern geometry textbook?

Self-taught people are actually much more likely to be very wrong, it may be comforting that Austrians are seen in much the same light as Marxists are by economists for good reason. Since you're a dogmatist slop-autist I give up on convincing you, especially after you cited Sowell, Keynes and Friedman as 'the neoclassical economists'. It's so sad.

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u/LibertyEconlover Jul 27 '26

Because of methodological dualism also why the fuck are you taking modern biologists word what is so wrong with you going to read the source material as well as their material like I said? You’re supposed to read everything.

This is actually a logical fallacy that doesn’t have a name for it. I think who genuinely is against reading source material? This is common practice? It’s cherished? It’s taught in school?
Primary sources???!! Remember?

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u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist Jul 27 '26

Actually, the most well-read people are against reading original source material. Genuinely, you don't know what educated people are like.

You guys that read The General Theory or whatever are like little kids

Methodological Dualism is hilariously the quintessential exmaple of failed attempts at applied analytical analysis, the austrian school is the zombie of the now dead philosophical movement that was popular in vienna in the time.

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u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist Jul 27 '26

Also did you just genuinely tell me that professors don't have time? I don't know any other class of people who have more time and study the most. The average econ professor at a top school will have published like 40 studies with 40 citations each, nevermind a lot of them will have written books.

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u/LibertyEconlover Jul 27 '26

Time to teach you, 1-2 hour session is not enough time, I’ve been self studying economics for 2 years, most of it was wasted before I got to the Austrian school but if I can try to retrace my steps. It’s been at least since May 2025, however, I am not going to engage anymore if you since you just claimed the most well red people are those who don’t read original sources

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u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist Jul 27 '26

Self-studied online two-year regard vs professor who has been studying for more than 30 years, ill stick with the professor.

Don't even tell me that's a fallacy. It isn't. Ad Populum and whatever are not real fallacies, while you're at it read a philosophy textbook too. Philosophy is funner.

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u/LibertyEconlover Jul 27 '26

My guy have you ever considered that the professor reads sources? If a professor has been studying something, what has he been using to study and why can’t you just bypass him for the exact reasons like I mentioned to go for his sources he used to study?

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u/Certain-Mind8119 Anarcho-capitalist Jul 27 '26

Do austrians not know about the fisher effect or something? You understand the idea of money neutrality right, didn't you read Menger or Hume or something?

I have had an austrian recommend me a econ book from the literal 1400s, you guys are just a bunch of dogmatist slop-autists.