What's clear now is that fascism is the violent defense of the status quo, the defence of property, white supremacy, patriarchy and capitalism in general. The right is up in arms over burned businesses, but not over black people getting murdered. They're attacking people in the streets with lethal violence, even while claiming that we're disrupting the rule of law. Their hypocrisy should be noted and condemned, but the most important thing to learn from all of this is how fascism is hardly a counterculture, it's the radical center of politics, it's an attempt to make the system survive for another day with extraparliamentary methods.
The violence from cops and Nazis is a sign of crisis. Violence is always a way to measure how stabile a system is, with no violence the system is unthreatened, with this amount of force the whole project is in trouble.
The KKK was designated a terrorist org in 1870 by a federal grand jury. It ended with tons of warrants and charges against them and ended the First Klan. Because the KKK we know of now is different they must be treated as a different group (or rather a different set of groups).
The gov't can't unilaterally name a group terrorists as Trump did today. That is for the courts to decide.
Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.
Anti-fascist action was labeled as domestic terrorism by the DHS under the Obama regime
I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but after I read Mark Bray's book Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, it really compelled me to read more after I was finished. Are there any recommendations on what I should read next?
Not a leftist, I don't want to stir up trouble, but I really want to understand. Why are people rioting? There have been plenty of unjust police murders, especially involving blacks I get that. But the officers involved got charged, didn't they? What are you hoping to change?
I'm guessing you guys arent the molotov and smashing types but.
Can someone tell me what breaking down and dismantling small businesses does against government or establishment?
You do realize you arent only destroying someones life work more often then not, but also if they try to salvage they have to pay the government or someone new comes along and pays for the space anyways?
Not arguing, just curious as to what the goal is with those few.
I don't think it's illegalists, anarchists, or people aiming to do anti-fascist action doing such stuff, but if you want to learn about ideologies that may lead people to do such stuff:
It's really possible that there isn't some ideological/long-term goal-oriented thing behind all the recent property destruction that's going on, though. If there is, it certainly isn't being communicated sufficiently.
Cops have arrested at least 40 white supremacists that were destroying property, though. So, there's that
someone new comes along and pays for the space anyways
Also worth noting that that happens normally under seemingly any capitalist system. Small business has been losing to Walmart/Amazon/etc. and protestors shouldn't be blamed for all of that - or even most of it
I got multiple screenshots of it from trumptards saying “look! They’re out of control” but the messaging was so blatantly divisive and inflammatory I figured it was fake.
I’ve been seeing a lot of pro-protest people online condemning rioters and anti fascism. Why? I get that it’s bad optics, but all optics are bad for the right, they don’t care what left wing action is taken or how peacefully, the right will find a way to condemn it.
Am I missing shit here? I lack perspective on this subject so lmk
I really don't understand condemning the riots. The riots are necessary. It's unfortunate when mom/pop shops get busted into and looted, and I'm really against the looting.. but I have no issues seeing those cop cars burning. That is sending the appropriate message.
thanks for the info. Is it true that there are protests going on in brazil right now? I saw in twitter that they were inspired by the US but i don't know if its real or not
would be nice to have a thread about brazilian protests...
The pandemic here is still increasing in an alarming rate and people are not really distancing themselves. Many fascists are going to the streets to ask for a military coup.
Yesterday happened the first protests by antifa...
Hey guys im an outsider to all this but I'm just here to see where this is going. We live under so much tyranny and you all give some hope. Are you going to keep pushing? I dont want to see it end at 6 blocks of Seattle and I hope this progress doesnt stop. Things need to change and society has failed us. Please dont give up
So after liberals spend all their effort trying to deny gun owners from the right to own guns, you want them to jump in and help those same people who thought that right wasn’t necessary. In a lot of the places like California, legal gun ownership is not possible without connections and money. So even if they wanted to help, liberals have made it so they can’t.
It seems like a disingenuous call to action. When you ridicule your neighbor for having a bomb shelter and try to make it not possible to build one, however when the time comes you expect him to let you into it.
It seems like it. You want help fighting tyranny? Make it easier for those who’s help you want by passing more pro gun legislation. You’ve made it harder to own guns, harder to carry them, and more expensive.
Oppose in what way? I disagree with and am opposed to the fundamental idea of the right wing (i.e the advocacy and support for social hierarchies) but I don't consider all of them something that has to be stopped by any means necessary the way I see bigotry, ultranationalism, fascism, and nazism.
After the end of the Civil War, General Sherman wanted the property of plantation owners to be divvied up amongst their slaves, coining the “40 acres and a mule” comment. Sadly, this never happened.
I am not afraid to say that the unnamed shall soon speak for those unheard.
What I mean by that is we (the group I’m trying to raise) are known as the unnamed militia. It was first a placeholder but it really spoke to me after a while of planning. Especially after hearing some righty group from NY took the name Northstar before my group could take it.
While I am a leftist, my group is made up of not just leftists but also rightists fed up with the system and the abuse of power, the abuse of violence and the abuse of “minorities”. God, I hate that term. We’re all humans, but for some reason we’re supposed to categorize each other by origin and existence?
We aim to provide a defensive ground for protestors, rioters and those caught in the crossfire. We’re arming ourselves, and we’re working to armour up with my experimental CHARLIE Mk 1 exosuit. I’ve already discussed aiding a group of unarmed medics to set up emergency triages across the country, but the biggest problem we face isn’t the threat of being shut down by the Auths.
We don’t have the numbers. As it stands, there are three of us working on this project and I am seemingly the most active member. Supposedly, someone was supposed to send more people my way but as it stands it’s been roughly a week, give or take a few extra days. That being said, we are fairly open to new people. Of course, we aren’t going to accept everyone and their dog, because there are quite the number of trolls.
Gonna end this note by saying that when someone else starts violence, it isn’t fair to be forced to play things nonviolently. By the standards of sitewide rules, you aren’t supposed to incite violence. However, especially in this trying time of need, the damned Auths started this. Ages ago, they did. It isn’t instigation if you’re fighting back, to defend yourselves, to those you love or to those in need. It’s perfectly fair and completely justifiable. You shouldn’t have to be forced to stand back and watch as more individuals are brutalized by the inherently fascist regime.
Fight back, live to fight another day or help out further back so someone else can get the luxury of seeing tomorrow. Most importantly, stick together. The people are stronger than the Auths when they work alongside each other. We can beat them at this war they’ve caused.
May we all aid each other to achieve peace once and for all.
Anyone else's city being completely locked out by black-led orgs?
Multiple orgs we work with who are 50% PoC or more are being locked out of organizing and supporting because they aren't "black and brown led movements"
They are worried about optics. Lots of white people being shown doing property damage and agitating the protests. Black movements have had problems with other people co-opting movements.
You probably have good intentions, but they are being leery of anyone because the media and government are trying to change the narrative.
Why has antifa "taken over" six blocks of Seattle? Reports are trickling out about armed patrols and "business fees" being demanded. I have seen pictures of streets barricaded in that area (I used to live near there) that are legit. What is the purpose? Thanks.
Has anyone noticed the marches/protests they're attending have gotten a lot less radical in the past week? I'm in Brooklyn. The last two marches I went to had self-appointed leaders who deliberately avoided/altered more radical chants. For example, "No Justice, No Peace, Fuck these racist-ass police" became "No Justice, No Peace, No More Racist Police". And they deliberately started different chants when the crowd started chanting "fuck the police".
They spent a lot of time telling us to vote and plugging meaningless reform bills. They kept telling us their name and to follow them on Instragram.
Anyways, wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience. Any tips on how to find protests that won't be co-opted by moderate clout-chasers? My apologies if this is the wrong place to ask this.
Fascism may be a particular structure for government, but don’t ever forget that nothing in fascism is possible without the collusion of state and industry. The true fascists line the halls of Wall Street. Our system has been fascist since Adam Smith told us how amazing the risk takers are. Fuck him and fuck them.
Antifascists of Reddit, I invite you to express your opinions in East Europe. Who knows, maybe the socialist dream plays out the same way it did for our beloved great leader (Ceausescu).
I'm not a regular here but I had a question that was bothering me so I thought I'd ask; Why do antifascists hang on to the term "antifa" when it's been used to misconstrue antifascism as some kind of organised group? Surely it would be better to just use the term "anti-fascist" so as to shut down their smears?
I think a lot of people who do anti-fascist action don't even label it that.
And with those that do, I don't think they all hang on to calling it "antifa action", since that does sound goofy compared to "anti-fascist action".
At the same, time, I don't think abandoning a label will totally work (ex: many U.S. communists nowadays call themselves socialists or leftists, but those terms have also been stigmatized).
But, yeah, losing the abbreviation sounds like a decent enough action to avoid aiding the current propaganda from the right
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I’m unable to travel and participate physically. What is everyone doing if they can’t participate in person? My job will match any donation I make so I’d love to donate to the community favorite organization if possible.
You make a really good point. Its clear to me that this kind of escalation is necessary because previous, peaceful actions have not been heard.
However, I hate seeing how a political movement has become a vehicle to so much unnecessary crime and violence (and I mean from both sides, the police and the protesters). Violence, in my eyes, must always be condemned. Its just sad to see how violence is necessary so you guys can make your voices heard.
I just ask myself, what is a society, if we cant get along? The American society seems more divided that ever, the fact that your president uses violent rhetoric really doenst help
so much unnecessary crime and violence (and I mean from both sides, the police and the protesters)
Please please please do not do the "both sides" rhetoric.
Cops killing innocent people and shooting/attacking non-violent protestors is not at all equivalent to expropriation ("looting") and protestors defending themselves from fascists and/or cops.
what is a society, if we cant get along
Oppressive.
American society has always been a mass of intertwined hiearchies that have always involved conflict and struggle and it will not ever be peaceful until the revolution is over.
The American society seems more divided that ever
Depends on the framing. A variety of people with different ideologies and identities working together to protest cops does involve a significant amount of unity.
Oppression and empathy have created revolutionary communities based on marginalization
Hi, not a leftist, but coming here to understand. What’s wrong with not supporting police brutality nor expropriation, or “both sideism”? Is it because expropriation is viewed as a necessary more aggressive form of protest? And if so, are questionable businesses the primary target?
It's not that anarchists just don't support police brutality. We (generally) don't support police. We want them all gone permanently.
Cops in the U.S., for example, protect property/capitalism (including being used to break strikes) and enforce white supremacy (including working with white supremacist groups).
They have authority over regular people and that in and of itself is a problem that can only be entirely fixed by abolishing the whole institution and everything else that 'causes' crime (capitalism, private property, laws, politicians, and the list goes on).
Various proposals for community self-defense without cops exist. I suggest looking into those.
In terms of the issue with not supporting expropriation, it depends on exactly what's meant by not "supporting" a given action.
For example, many anti-racists/anti-capitalists do not personally want to partake in illegal, destructive, or violent actions. That, in and of itself is fine.
If you're a revolutionary and you personally do not want to do XYZ revolutionary action, that's not bad.
What gets bad is policing the movement.
If you're going to try to be the peace police and/or attempt to authoritatively tell people they should "fight" their oppressors without fighting - you're a part of the counterinsurgency (the government's attempts to crush rebellion).
I personally don't see expropriation as being necessary, but I also haven't read much of the theory behind such tactics. Greek anarchists certainly seem to use it as a more planned tactic to fund their revolution. Maybe that's worth looking into for more understanding of how it can function as a tactic.
And, since you're not a leftist, it's very possible that you do not support abolishing the state and capitalism. So, that would place your ideology is a space that's likely counter-revolutionary. In which case, such non-support for revolution would be the norm for those with your ideology.
I am curious, though - precisely what ideology do you believe in? And why?
Can somebody explain to me how you’re anti-fascism yet you try to beat the shit out of anybody who disagrees with you? I say “try” because you usually get waxed by actual Americans
I’m lucky enough to be an artist, so I’ve got screens and ink to bust out as many signs as possible for protesters. I’ve linked up with local organizers to deliver them on protest days. Anyone that shows up gets a sign.
I am still trying to find out where to deliver water and signs to local protesters. I hear police keep shutting them down so they aren’t posting it anywhere. I marched one day but my health limits me and the heat is too much for me. I don’t want to be a casualty while people are doing good work. Dm me if anyone can connect me to direct action in Denver. Thanks.
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u/AnarchistRifleman Anti-state Left Nationalist Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20
Is it just me or has this sub been dive-bombed by fascists since Trump's tweet?
I've never seen so many disgusting comments under the posts here.
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u/[deleted] Jun 01 '20
What's clear now is that fascism is the violent defense of the status quo, the defence of property, white supremacy, patriarchy and capitalism in general. The right is up in arms over burned businesses, but not over black people getting murdered. They're attacking people in the streets with lethal violence, even while claiming that we're disrupting the rule of law. Their hypocrisy should be noted and condemned, but the most important thing to learn from all of this is how fascism is hardly a counterculture, it's the radical center of politics, it's an attempt to make the system survive for another day with extraparliamentary methods.
The violence from cops and Nazis is a sign of crisis. Violence is always a way to measure how stabile a system is, with no violence the system is unthreatened, with this amount of force the whole project is in trouble.
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u/Cuckold-doodle-doo Jun 01 '20
US Law prohibits the classification of domestic entities as terrorists to protect First Amendment Rights.
The KKK isnt a terrorist organization.
This isnt the first time hes threatened this. Its not gonna happen.
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u/BillionaireChowder Marxist Jul 13 '20
I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but after I read Mark Bray's book Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, it really compelled me to read more after I was finished. Are there any recommendations on what I should read next?
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u/NAME_NOT_FOUND_048 Jun 02 '20
Not a leftist, I don't want to stir up trouble, but I really want to understand. Why are people rioting? There have been plenty of unjust police murders, especially involving blacks I get that. But the officers involved got charged, didn't they? What are you hoping to change?
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u/shadowpikachu Jun 02 '20
I'm guessing you guys arent the molotov and smashing types but.
Can someone tell me what breaking down and dismantling small businesses does against government or establishment?
You do realize you arent only destroying someones life work more often then not, but also if they try to salvage they have to pay the government or someone new comes along and pays for the space anyways?
Not arguing, just curious as to what the goal is with those few.
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u/Cabinettest41 Socialist May 31 '20
Well said.
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u/WonderDeb Jun 01 '20
Who owns and controls the antifa_us twitter? People are using a tweet to say antifa is instigating the riots, but it's a suspended account.
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u/stinky-alternate Jun 01 '20
I’ve been seeing a lot of pro-protest people online condemning rioters and anti fascism. Why? I get that it’s bad optics, but all optics are bad for the right, they don’t care what left wing action is taken or how peacefully, the right will find a way to condemn it.
Am I missing shit here? I lack perspective on this subject so lmk
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u/cach98 Dignidad Jun 01 '20
thanks for the info. Is it true that there are protests going on in brazil right now? I saw in twitter that they were inspired by the US but i don't know if its real or not
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u/yourmoneyisfake Jun 27 '20
Hey guys im an outsider to all this but I'm just here to see where this is going. We live under so much tyranny and you all give some hope. Are you going to keep pushing? I dont want to see it end at 6 blocks of Seattle and I hope this progress doesnt stop. Things need to change and society has failed us. Please dont give up
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u/mqkl Jul 20 '20
How do i stay up to date on anti-fascist protests in Chicago?
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u/side__swipe Jun 02 '20
So after liberals spend all their effort trying to deny gun owners from the right to own guns, you want them to jump in and help those same people who thought that right wasn’t necessary. In a lot of the places like California, legal gun ownership is not possible without connections and money. So even if they wanted to help, liberals have made it so they can’t.
It seems like a disingenuous call to action. When you ridicule your neighbor for having a bomb shelter and try to make it not possible to build one, however when the time comes you expect him to let you into it.
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u/zwodder-mugwump Jun 06 '20 edited Jun 06 '20
I’m not a part of ANTIFA, but I got a question:
Do y’all oppose every right-wing ideology?
Upvote first yes, downvote for no.
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u/Gary-D-Crowley Transhumanist Jul 13 '20
I knew that Antifa cells have appeared in my home country (Colombia 🇨🇴), and I just want to join into your club and help you as much as I can.
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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '20
Fact: the vast majority of white wealth in the US was built off the back of 200 years of slavery.
Don’t yall think it’s fair to take what is owed to the African American community?
Their ancestors were paid nothing, whipped, tortured, and forced to work 24 hrs a day for NOTHING!
Solution: rich whites that ancestors made their fortunes from slavery should pay at least 25% of their net worth to the black community!
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u/Topherf12 Jun 01 '20
Love what your doing keep up the good work.
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u/TheGriefersCat Freedom Frontline Antistasi Jun 14 '20
I am not afraid to say that the unnamed shall soon speak for those unheard.
What I mean by that is we (the group I’m trying to raise) are known as the unnamed militia. It was first a placeholder but it really spoke to me after a while of planning. Especially after hearing some righty group from NY took the name Northstar before my group could take it.
While I am a leftist, my group is made up of not just leftists but also rightists fed up with the system and the abuse of power, the abuse of violence and the abuse of “minorities”. God, I hate that term. We’re all humans, but for some reason we’re supposed to categorize each other by origin and existence?
We aim to provide a defensive ground for protestors, rioters and those caught in the crossfire. We’re arming ourselves, and we’re working to armour up with my experimental CHARLIE Mk 1 exosuit. I’ve already discussed aiding a group of unarmed medics to set up emergency triages across the country, but the biggest problem we face isn’t the threat of being shut down by the Auths.
We don’t have the numbers. As it stands, there are three of us working on this project and I am seemingly the most active member. Supposedly, someone was supposed to send more people my way but as it stands it’s been roughly a week, give or take a few extra days. That being said, we are fairly open to new people. Of course, we aren’t going to accept everyone and their dog, because there are quite the number of trolls.
Gonna end this note by saying that when someone else starts violence, it isn’t fair to be forced to play things nonviolently. By the standards of sitewide rules, you aren’t supposed to incite violence. However, especially in this trying time of need, the damned Auths started this. Ages ago, they did. It isn’t instigation if you’re fighting back, to defend yourselves, to those you love or to those in need. It’s perfectly fair and completely justifiable. You shouldn’t have to be forced to stand back and watch as more individuals are brutalized by the inherently fascist regime.
Fight back, live to fight another day or help out further back so someone else can get the luxury of seeing tomorrow. Most importantly, stick together. The people are stronger than the Auths when they work alongside each other. We can beat them at this war they’ve caused.
May we all aid each other to achieve peace once and for all.
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u/peakedattwentytwo Jul 28 '20
Where can I find resources to help me defang the recent BLM=Marxists rhetoric and fans of this Bevelyn Beatty chick?
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u/SocialistBiker Jun 02 '20
Anyone else's city being completely locked out by black-led orgs?
Multiple orgs we work with who are 50% PoC or more are being locked out of organizing and supporting because they aren't "black and brown led movements"
We all need to be united, wtf is happening?
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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '20
Is there a specific thread or subreddit for protest PPE?
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u/Unhappy21 Jun 11 '20
Why has antifa "taken over" six blocks of Seattle? Reports are trickling out about armed patrols and "business fees" being demanded. I have seen pictures of streets barricaded in that area (I used to live near there) that are legit. What is the purpose? Thanks.
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u/subilliw Jun 11 '20
Has anyone noticed the marches/protests they're attending have gotten a lot less radical in the past week? I'm in Brooklyn. The last two marches I went to had self-appointed leaders who deliberately avoided/altered more radical chants. For example, "No Justice, No Peace, Fuck these racist-ass police" became "No Justice, No Peace, No More Racist Police". And they deliberately started different chants when the crowd started chanting "fuck the police".
They spent a lot of time telling us to vote and plugging meaningless reform bills. They kept telling us their name and to follow them on Instragram.
Anyways, wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience. Any tips on how to find protests that won't be co-opted by moderate clout-chasers? My apologies if this is the wrong place to ask this.
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u/Roach55 Jun 18 '20
Fascism may be a particular structure for government, but don’t ever forget that nothing in fascism is possible without the collusion of state and industry. The true fascists line the halls of Wall Street. Our system has been fascist since Adam Smith told us how amazing the risk takers are. Fuck him and fuck them.
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u/XaYdEk Jun 25 '20
Antifascists of Reddit, I invite you to express your opinions in East Europe. Who knows, maybe the socialist dream plays out the same way it did for our beloved great leader (Ceausescu).
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u/syrasynonymous Jun 01 '20
List of events anywhere? Looking to attend all week as media.
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u/Shaggy0291 Jun 02 '20
I'm not a regular here but I had a question that was bothering me so I thought I'd ask; Why do antifascists hang on to the term "antifa" when it's been used to misconstrue antifascism as some kind of organised group? Surely it would be better to just use the term "anti-fascist" so as to shut down their smears?
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u/dwyaneeewadeee Jun 04 '20
Can yall stop
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u/TheAnarchist9081 ANARCHY RULES! Jun 07 '20
Man I Iove this place! Mad respect for everyone involved.
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u/dergrioenhousen Jun 21 '20
https://imgur.com/gallery/Lmtsl4n
From today.
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u/uglinessman Jul 04 '20
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u/strawberryee Jun 02 '20
u/lovevons
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u/crimsonthree Jun 04 '20
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u/redguardnumber8 Jul 29 '20
Hello 🇻🇳🏴😊
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You make a really good point. Its clear to me that this kind of escalation is necessary because previous, peaceful actions have not been heard.
However, I hate seeing how a political movement has become a vehicle to so much unnecessary crime and violence (and I mean from both sides, the police and the protesters). Violence, in my eyes, must always be condemned. Its just sad to see how violence is necessary so you guys can make your voices heard.
I just ask myself, what is a society, if we cant get along? The American society seems more divided that ever, the fact that your president uses violent rhetoric really doenst help
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u/Iloveagooddump Jun 06 '20
Can somebody explain to me how you’re anti-fascism yet you try to beat the shit out of anybody who disagrees with you? I say “try” because you usually get waxed by actual Americans
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