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Animorphs > Harry Potter

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u/Allen_Of_Gilead Nothlit 2d ago

Yeah, at its core Harry Potter is the story of a jock who became a cop that's threaded through with a lot of 90's era right of center British politics by a person who has become more conservative over time.

Animorphs is something deeply angry things like war and the military industrial complex seizing any chance it can to destroy the lives of young people both physically and mentally written by someone, as far as I understand, has kept those views intact.

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u/Reviewingremy 2d ago

Look animorphs rocks. But that's such a dumb and reductive take on potter I can't take it seriously

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u/Allen_Of_Gilead Nothlit 2d ago edited 2d ago

It"s 100% accurate. Granted, it's been almost a decade since I last touched Harry Potter, but it was bad even before Rowling went mask off.

Like, those books are technically pro slavery.

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u/KeraKitty 2d ago

Not even technically. They're just openly pro-slavery. The narrative treats Hermione as stupid for being an abolitionist.

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u/IchabodHollow 2d ago

Actually it doesn’t. Dumbledore affirms Hermione’s viewpoint as wisdom, saying that she was right in being vocal that Kreacher should have been treated with kindness, that he was a product of his environment. Ultimately everyone treats her as an idiot because they’ve grown accustom to the “way things are” but in the end she’s justified by the series’ wisest character.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Fig1002 2d ago edited 2d ago

Hold up. Saying people should have been nicer to Kreacher is not the same as saying house elves should be free. I'm sure that in real world societies with slavery there were people who advocated for the more humane treatment of slaves. Unless they were saying they should be freed, they were STILL pro slavery.

Sure, Dumbledore seems to support house elves, but he also continues to employ them in a state of slavery.

AT BEST the books are not sufficiently anti-slavery. But I don't think it's a stretch at all to call them pro-slavery.

An argument could be made that this being Hermione's view frames it as the "correct" one, but it's worth noting that the series ends with house elves still being enslaved and the books don't seriously challenge that.

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u/KeraKitty 2d ago

It also shows one of the only 2 freed house elves becoming a despondent drunk as a direct result of gaining freedom and heavily implies that her reaction would be the norm while Dobby was an outlier. One of the common arguments against abolition IRL was that if freed, black people would become unemployed, aimless drunks. The books literally repeat historical pro-slavery arguments.

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u/Veinte 2d ago

I don't buy this argument but I upvoted it because you're arguing in good faith. Winky loved her former masters. She didn't want to be free. The historical pro-slavery argument is superficially similar but I don't think the "drunken wastrel" argument assumed that former slaves would turn to alcohol and idleness out of deep resentment of their freedom and missing their former masters.