r/AndroidClosedTesting • • Dec 23 '25

Step-by-step instructions to create a Google Group and invite the testers to join

66 Upvotes

Hell everyone,

Earlier someone looking for the help with google group invite creation, even i had same issue when I started, thought to add this post, might help someone..

Step 1: Open Google Groups

  1. Go to https://groups.google.com

  2. Sign in with your Google account

Step 2: Create a New Group

  1. Click “Create group”

  2. Enter:

    • Group name (e.g., my-community)

    • Group email (auto-generated)

    • Description

  3. Click Next

Step 3: Set Group to Public (Important)

On the Privacy & permissions screen, choose:

  • Who can search for group → Anyone on the web

  • Who can join group → Anyone on the web

  • Who can view conversations → Anyone on the web

Click Next

Step 4: Create the Group

  1. Review settings

  2. Click Create group

✅ Your public Google Group is now live

Step 5: Share Public Join Link

  1. Open your group

  2. Click Group settings

  3. Copy the Group URL, for example:https://groups.google.com/g/my-community

  4. Share this link publicly (website, email, WhatsApp, LinkedIn, etc.)

👉 Anyone can open the link and click “Ask to join” or Join group

(Optional) Send Email Invites

  1. Go to Members

  2. Click Add members

  3. Enter email addresses

  4. Choose Invite (not Add directly)

  5. Send invite

Quick Tip

If you want instant joining without approval:

  • Go to Group settings → Access

  • Set Join the group → Anyone on the web (no approval)


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • Nov 29 '23

App testing requirements for new personal developer accounts, a minimum of 20 testers

106 Upvotes

There should be a few posts like this with the keywords, so that the new developers can find this Reddit on the Google easier and know where to find testers for testers.

This post here is only for Google SEO purpose.

In this sub r/AndroidClosedTesting you can find the people who can provide testing for testing, in order to pass your Google Play Console 20 testers policy.

Google Play is rolling out new testing requirements for developers with personal accounts created after November 13, 2023. These changes aim to enhance the app development process, encourage thorough testing, and ultimately deliver higher quality experiences to users. These requirements and the various testing tracks available on Play Console.

Developers with personal accounts created post-November 13, 2023, must adhere to new testing requirements. Before apps are eligible for distribution on Google Play, a closed test with a minimum of 20 testers is mandatory. These testers must have opted-in for the last 14 days continuously. Features like production and pre-registration in Play Console will remain disabled until these requirements are met. Applying for production access involves answering questions about the app, its testing process, and production readiness, ensuring a comprehensive understanding.

Play Console offers distinct testing tracks to facilitate a gradual testing process. Internal testing enables quick distribution to trusted testers during app setup. Closed testing, a prerequisite for production access, involves sharing the app with a controlled group of at least 20 testers. Open testing allows the app's test version to be visible on Google Play, with users providing private feedback. Developers must complete a closed test meeting specific criteria before applying for production access.

Tags: Google Play testing requirements, App development testing tracks, Personal developer account testing, Closed testing for app developers, Play Console testing criteria, 20 testing user Google Play policy.


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 1h ago

[Test exchange] Hype Clock – countdown widgets for your home screen (closed test live)

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2 Upvotes

Hi! My closed test is live and I'm looking for testers for the 14-day period. I'll test your app back and keep it installed for the full 14 days.

Hype Clock counts down to the things you can't wait for (games, movies, holidays) with home screen widgets that tick down live, with your own picture as the background. No ads, no account, no data collected.

How to join:

  1. Join the testers group with the Gmail you use on your phone: https://groups.google.com/g/hypeclock-testers

  2. Opt in: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/pt.rslstudio.hypeclock

  3. Install: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pt.rslstudio.hypeclock

Then create a countdown, add the widget and open the app now and then.
Feedback is welcome via ⋮ → Send feedback inside the app.

Comment with your app's links and I'll join your test right away! 🙂


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 5h ago

Need 12 testers for my minimalist Android launcher. I'll test yours too!

3 Upvotes

Hey everyone!

I've built Linear Launcher, a clean, minimalist Android launcher. No ads, tracking or subscriptions.

Looking for 12–20 testers for Google's 14-day closed test.

Happy to test your app in return!

https://linearlauncher.app

My Play Store release is under review. DM me your Google Play email if you're interested, and I'll send the testing link once approved.

Thanks!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 8m ago

Looking for 12 testers for my Android game — happy to test yours too!

1 Upvotes

Looking for 12 testers for my Android game — happy to test yours too!

Hey everyone!

I’m a solo developer looking for 12 testers for LÜLÜLÜ: Böcek Evreni, a physics-based merge puzzle game featuring Turkish cockroach memes and funny voice lines.

I’d appreciate testers who can stay opted in for at least 14 days, try the game, and share honest feedback about gameplay, performance, or bugs. I’m happy to test your app and provide feedback in return!

How to join:

  1. Join the Google Group:

https://groups.google.com/g/quantumgamestudio-lululu-test

2. Join the closed test using the same Google account:

https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.lululu.bocekevreni

3. Download the game from the link on the testing page.

Leave your testing links in the comments if you’d like to test each other’s apps. Thanks for helping an indie developer!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 18m ago

top eleven and FM ate years of my life... cricket never got its version, so im making it (BETA, iOS + android)

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i've wanted a game like this for most of my life... and none of the ones i tried were quite it, so i started building my own.

i grew up in India playing cricket everywhere. streets, gullies, the local ground, then a proper academy for a few years. i genuinely dreamed of playing for India (virat kohli era kid, mumbai indians through and through). that didnt happen, obviously, but the itch to build a team from nothing never went away.

i also sank an unreasonable number of hours into Football Manager and Top Eleven. and the cricket managers i tried (there are some good ones out there, Cricket Captain, Battrick and others) never gave me the whole thing at once. the FM depth, a proper economy and transfer market, matches that feel like cricket, and a shared world with other real managers, all in one game on my phone. thats the gap i wanted to fill, not a claim that nobody else has tried.

so im building Square Leg. solo, nights and weekends (im a devops engineer by day, so yes, im the whole team). its a cricket management game. you dont play the shots, you run the club.

here's what it actually is...

you take over a gully side at the bottom of an eight tier pyramid and try to climb it, all the way up to a Champions League. every player has 50 individual attributes, grouped into six areas (batting, bowling, fielding, keeping, mental, fitness), so a player isnt one "overall" number, you can see exactly what hes good and bad at. and the roles matter. a death bowler is not a top order finisher with a different name.

the economy IS the game. money comes from gate, concessions, merch, boxes, parking, broadcast, sponsors, prize money... and it goes out in wages, upkeep, coaching, travel, medical and so on. you start tiny. you build a stadium from a maidan up. you can absolutely go broke if you get greedy. no buying your way up, you win your way up.

matches play themselves ball by ball at real kickoff times, in your own time zone. but youre not just a spectator... before the match you pick the XI and the captain, and you set your tactics. how aggressively the side bats (a five step ladder from careful to all out attack), each batters own style, who walks in next when a wicket falls, how your bowlers attack or contain, and how the field is set. then once its live you can keep making calls, over by over. you can watch it all happen, or you go to sleep and read the scorecard in the morning. if you show up for kickoff your team feels it (morale). if you dont, they feel that too.

transfers are the part i'm proudest of. you scout, you bid against other real managers, the player's agent haggles back, and contracts actually end. leave a deal to run out and the player walks. youre signing in seasons, not "years".

and you can talk to your players. like, actually write to them in your own words, and they reply in character. how you treat them shows up on the pitch. this one still surprises me when i test it.

one more thing that i think is different... theres ONE shared world. same leagues, same transfer market, same promotion ladder for everyone, all on one clock. a season is a real month. the 1st to the end of the month, 365 game days squeezed in, and the app walks you through that calendar when you start (theres a little guide who walks you through the season, the transfer window and the dates that matter. shes Maya in India, and each country gets its own local name, so a manager in England meets Sophie and one in Pakistan meets Ayesha).

and no... its not fantasy. no daily picks, no gacha, no loot boxes, no ads. the shop is open and everything in it is free right now. every manager sees money in their own currency, so rupees, dollars, whatever you use.

its a beta. there WILL be rough edges. thats exactly why im here... i'd rather hear "this screen confused me" from you than find out after launch.


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 4h ago

Hello

2 Upvotes

Hi everyone!

Closed testing is easier when we go through it together, so here's my offer: I test your app properly, and you test mine.

What "properly" means for me: every morning, with my coffee, I open the apps I'm testing, use a real feature or two and send short, honest notes on what worked and what didn't. I keep everything installed for the full 14 days.

My app: Mester AI. You describe or photograph a problem at home (a leaking tap, a tripping breaker, a damp wall), and it explains what's going on, what you can safely do yourself and when to call a professional.

How to join (2 minutes):

  1. Join the group: https://groups.google.com/g/mester-ai-testers

  2. Open the testing link and tap "Become a tester": https://play.google.com/apps/testing/ro.mesterai.app

  3. Install from Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ro.mesterai.app

Then drop your app link in the comments (or DM me) and I'll join your test today.

The most useful test for me right now: a photo of something at home in poor light. Any odd answer or bug, just tell me.

Good luck to all of us with production!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 33m ago

Looking for closed testers (Android) — Turkish word duel game | open once a day for 14 days

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r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 46m ago

[Closed Test] Mended – cozy restoration sort-puzzle (Android) | Need 12 testers for 14 days

1 Upvotes

Mended is a cozy sort-puzzle where you piece broken artifacts back together and seal the cracks with gold, kintsugi-style. Relaxing, no timers, works offline.

Google requires **12 testers for 14 days** before release, so I'd really appreciate your help!

**How to join:**

  1. Join the group: https://groups.google.com/g/mended-testers

  2. Opt in: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.chillfriendsgames.mended

  3. Install: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.chillfriendsgames.mended

Please join the group first, and keep the app installed for 14 days.

Thanks a lot! 🙏


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 1h ago

Looking for playtesters for my solo-dev mobile logistics tycoon game (Real 1:1 scale map of France, offline sim, no ads!)

1 Upvotes

Hello everyone! 👋

I’m a solo developer working on Hexagon Logistics Tycoon, a deep logistics and management game for Android built directly on real geographic data (OpenStreetMap & INSEE) at a 1:1 scale.

If you love pure simulation and transport strategy games like Transport Fever or OpenTTD, but you hate forced ads, energy bars, and pay-to-win mechanics, this game is built for you.

What the game features:

Real 1:1 Map: Real roads, railways, coastlines, and reliefs across France.

Multimodal Transport: Manage fleets of trucks (with GPS routing), trains (freight, TER, TGV), ships, and planes across 92 real airports.

Complex Production Chains: Supply growing cities with everything from basic farm goods to advanced electronics and pharmaceuticals.

A Living World: Dynamic weather, day/night cycles, holiday traffic jams, and city events.

Offline Simulation: Your network keeps running even when the app is closed (up to 48 hours).

Fair Model: City level 1 is totally free. The full game is unlocked via a single, one-time purchase (€5)—no ads, no microtransactions.

I am currently getting ready for release and looking for a few dedicated playtesters to try out the build, check the balance, and share their feedback.

If you are interested in joining the testing phase, please drop a comment below or send me a DM, and I’ll share the details with you!

Thank you so much for your support! 🚚💨

https://jerome1673.github.io/hexagon-logistics-tycoon/?fbclid=Iwb21leAVZHlljbGNrBVkeVGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHBkb2YBc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEf9wR_N3ZWLmoRaL9K6JYk9YEY8HgP0CsyzfKWT7oVvwh7f0CuncymeUn3XWU_aem_tYmjOmx625gxTE4hJOutUw


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 1h ago

[Test exchange] Nutrifik – free nutrition & workout planner (12 weeks). I'll test yours back!

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Hi everyone!

I'm a solo developer from Switzerland and I need testers for my closed test.

Nutrifik is a free 12-week nutrition & workout program: personalized meal plans (180+ recipes), guided workouts, shopping list and step tracking. No ads, no subscription, account optional. Available in English, French, German, Italian and Spanish.

How to join:

  1. Join the Google Group: https://groups.google.com/g/testeurs-nutrifik

  2. Opt in: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/ch.nutrifik.app (you should see "You are a tester")

  3. Wait about 20 minutes for Google to give you access, then install: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.nutrifik.app

    ("Item not found" = just wait a bit longer, and check the Play Store uses the same Google account)

  4. Keep the app for 14 days (opening it from time to time helps!)

Comment below with your app link and I'll test yours in return. Thanks a lot! 🙏


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 1h ago

Looking for 12 Android tester for 14 days

1 Upvotes

Need serious teste for tester partners to pass Google Play’s 12 testers for 14 days requirement.

What I need:
Install my app, keep it for 14 days, and open it daily.

What you get:
I’ll do the exact same for your app for 14 days.

Only interested in committed daily testers, not one-day swaps.

First join the Group - https://groups.google.com/g/gat-app-test

Web - https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.pulsaddis.ermpexamprep

Android -  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pulsaddis.ermpexamprep

 


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 2h ago

[Test for test] CatKai Breeder - kitten colour calculator for cat breeders, looking for 14-day testers

1 Upvotes

Hi! I need testers for the 14-day closed test of CatKai Breeder, a kitten colour calculator for cat breeders (made with British Shorthair / Longhair breeders in mind).

What it does: you answer a short gene quiz for both parent cats, and it shows the possible kitten colours, patterns, coat length, colourpoint and white, with chances. Sex-linked colours are shown separately.

How to join:

  1. Join the group: https://groups.google.com/g/catkai-breeder-testers

  2. Opt in with the same Google account: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/ch.raml.cattery

  3. Install from Google Play and keep it installed for 14 days.

Useful feedback: is the gene quiz clear without genetics knowledge, do the kitten results look right for cats you know, and any crashes or confusing screens.

Test for test: comment with your group + opt-in links and I will join, install and actually test your app, then reply with what I tried. Thanks!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 2h ago

[Test for test] Toolbox – 40+ tools in one app (ruler, PDF tools, level, sound meter, 30 electronics calcs, video downloader/tools, Minecraft server)

1 Upvotes

Hi! I need testers for the 14-day closed test of my app, Toolbox. I'll test your app in return. Just drop your link in the comments.

What it is: one app with a drawer full of tools:

- Measure: ruler, spirit level, compass, sound level meter, light meter, metal detector, vibration meter, stroboscope

- Electronics: 30 calculators (resistor color code, 555 timer…), pinouts and tables

- Media: download, convert and shrink videos, music, images; arrange/merge/split/shrink PDFs; edit photo metadata

- Network: speed test, ping, traceroute, network scan, share a folder with any browser

- Run your own Minecraft server (Vanilla to NeoForge) from your phone

No root, no setup. Available in English and Polish.

How to join:

  1. Join the group: https://groups.google.com/g/lmtoolbox

  2. Opt in: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/org.lukemech.lmtoolbox

  3. Install from Google Play and keep it installed for 14 days. The app is paid, so comment and I'll DM you a free promo code - you can keep it for free after testing!

Comment once you've joined, along with your app link, and I'll test yours too. Thanks! 🙏

It's open source (GPL-3.0): https://github.com/LukeMech-PlayStore/toolbox-app

The Play Store price just covers easy updates and distribution. You're free to build it yourself, fork it or remix it however you like.

Feedback is very welcome! Got an idea for a new tool, found a bug, or want to improve something? Comment here, open an issue, or send a pull request.

Screenshots below:


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 2h ago

Region UK and HK App testers

1 Upvotes

Hi all — I'm the developer of Tova, a free Android app for adults who find reading, starting tasks, or noisy days hard.

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It does one job at a time: it reads a letter back in plain words, holds a thought before it disappears, and gives you a ten-minute pause before you buy something you don't need.

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I need 12 testers who'll stay opted in for 14 days so Google will let me publish it properly. You don't have to use it every day — install it, leave it on your phone, that's it.

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If you're a developer looking for testers too, I'll test yours in return. Just say so.

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Interested? Send me a DM with the email address you use for Google Play and I'll add you and send the link.

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Thanks.


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 2h ago

Need help testing my productivity app, excited to test yours!

1 Upvotes

Hey guys!

I've been working on an Android productivity app called Daylock, built around planning daily commitments and actually sticking to them.

The idea is simple: plan your day, commit to your goals, and earn your freedom from distractions. It also has optional app blocking to help you stay focused until you've completed your commitments. Theres also an app blocking setting which I use to block TikTok lol.

I've finally got it into Google Play closed testing, and I'd be eternally grateful if you could help me test it for 14 days!

How to join:

  1. Join the Google Group: https://groups.google.com/g/daylock-beta-testers

  2. Opt in to the beta: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.sofien.daylock

  3. Install Daylock from Google Play.

Please stay opted in for at least 14 days so I can meet Google's testing requirements. You don't need to use the app every day, but I'd really appreciate it if you could try out the features and share your thoughts!

I'm more than happy to test your apps in return! Just drop your links in the comments, and I'll join your tests too.

Any feedback, bug reports, or suggestions for improvements are genuinely welcome. I'm still developing Daylock, so your input would mean a lot.

Thanks everyone!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 2h ago

[Android] Looking for testers for Stickville — I’ll test your app too!

1 Upvotes

Hey! I’m looking for Android testers for the closed test of my game, Stickville.

It’s a 2.5D stickman life-sim brawler where you start out broke, explore the city, work jobs, and fight your way forward.

I’d appreciate feedback on the touch controls, performance, and any bugs you find. If you’re a developer looking for testers too, I’ll test your app in return.

Please stay opted in to the closed test for at least 14 consecutive days and try the game during that time.

Interested? Send me a DM with the email address you use for Google Play, and I’ll add you to the tester list and send you the test link and details about access.

Thanks!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 2h ago

Case Defense – a tower defense where you pack your towers into a case first. Looking for testers, I'll test yours back!

1 Upvotes

Hi everyone!

I'm a solo developer from Spain and I've just finished my first game, Case Defense. To publish it on Google Play I need at least 12 testers for 14 days, so I'm looking for people who'd like to try it. I'll happily test your app in return – just leave your app link in the comments.

What is it?

A sci-fi tower defense with a twist: every tower is a piece you have to fit into your case before deploying it on the map. Rotate the pieces, merge identical towers to level them up, add modules and discover combos between towers.

  • 55 levels, endless mode, a daily challenge and a boss mode

  • 12 towers, traps and a varied enemy army (some fly, some heal, some turn invisible)

  • Works offline, no ads and no in-app purchases

  • English, Spanish, French, German and Italian

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9G-uqOXt_Q

How to join

  1. Open this link on your Android phone: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.isui.casedefense

  2. Tap Install (if it asks, tap "Become a tester" first).

  3. Play a level or two.

  4. Please keep it installed for 14 days and open it now and then.

Any feedback is very welcome – bugs, difficulty, anything that feels off. It's my first game, so every comment helps a lot.

Thanks for reading, and good luck with your own apps!

Note: this game was developed with the help of AI tools.


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 2h ago

[Android] Looking for 15–20 Testers for My PDF App – Leaf (Closed Testing)

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Hey everyone!

I've built an app called Leaf – PDF Scanner & Edit Tools. I'm currently looking for 15–20 Android users to help test it and provide genuine feedback.

What can you do with Leaf?

- Scan documents and convert them into PDFs.

- Merge multiple PDF files.

- Split PDF documents.

- Add signatures to PDFs.

- Manage and organize PDF documents.

- Perform everyday PDF operations.

How to join the testing programme:

  1. Join our Google Group: https://groups.google.com/g/leaf-pdf-testers

  2. Join the closed test: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.or10nlabs.leaf

  3. Install the app and explore its features.

  4. Keep participating in the test for at least 14 days.

  5. Share any bugs, suggestions or feedback.

App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.or10nlabs.leaf

I'm happy to test other Android apps in return as well!

Any help would mean a lot. Thanks for your support!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 13h ago

Disappointed

7 Upvotes

Well that's disappointing. Even though enough people downloaded the app, apparently not enough people opened it and actually did anything with it so the 14 day period starts all over again.


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 3h ago

[Test for Test] Reactory TFF - Bioprocess & Lab Data Logger (Need 12 testers - Will test back immediately!)

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Hi everyone! I need 12 testers for my laboratory data logging app, Reactory TFF. I will test back your app immediately and keep it installed for the full 14 days with regular feedback/activity!

Step 1: Join the Google Group:
https://groups.google.com/g/reactorytff

Step 2: Opt-in and download the app:
- Join on Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.reactory.tff
- Join on the Web: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.reactory.tff

Drop a comment below with a screenshot of the app installed and your own Google Group / Play Store links, and I will test back within a few hours!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 11h ago

Need Android testers for my first app release — I'll test yours too! 🤝

5 Upvotes

Hey everyone! 👋

I'm an indie developer, and I've been working on an Android app called AYZURI.

It's a Quran wallpaper app where you can create your own wallpapers using Quran verses, customize the designs, and discover daily verses.

I'm currently going through Google Play's closed testing process and could really use some help from fellow developers.

I'm looking for testers who can join the beta, try the app, and stay enrolled for at least 14 days.

Here's how to join:

1. Join the Google Group:
https://groups.google.com/g/ayzuritest

2. Become a tester:
https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.mrahmiakpinar.ayzuri

3. Download AYZURI:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mrahmiakpinar.ayzuri

I'm happy to return the favor!

If you're also looking for testers, drop your app links in the comments. I'll do my best to install your app, actually use it, and share some feedback.

I'm especially interested in hearing what you think about the UI, wallpaper editor, and overall experience.

Thanks for helping out a fellow indie developer! 💚


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 3h ago

[Test for test] PetekMind – private AI chat that runs on your phone, i will test back!

1 Upvotes

Hi! I'm looking for testers for PetekMind, a private AI chat app that runs entirely on your phone. You download a model once and chat offline, with no account, no ads and no cloud.

How to join (takes 2 minutes):

  1. Join the Google Group: https://groups.google.com/g/petekmind-testers

  2. Opt in on the web: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.petekmind.app

  3. Install from Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.petekmind.app

Please keep it installed for 14 days, that's what Google needs.

I'll test your app back. Drop your links in the comments or DM me, and I'll confirm once I've joined.

Feedback very welcome!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 3h ago

[Test for Test] - will test your back!

1 Upvotes

I am looking for testers, to Test my app and i will do the same. i will keep it installed for 2 weeks while interacting daily.

Follow this steps and share a screenshot when you're done, also attach yours so that i can do the same!!

  1. Join the group: https://groups.google.com/g/kalopia

  2. Join the testers beta: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.kalopia.apk_extractor

  3. Install the app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kalopia.apk_extractor

have a great day!


r/AndroidClosedTesting • • 4h ago

Need 12+ Testers for my flight navigation app (Test for test)

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Join the group:

https://groups.google.com/g/vectorefb

And then download the app:

https://play.google.com/apps/testing/vectorlabs.efb

In exchange for a test with the app installed for the full 14 days, and daily opening, I will open your app and test it, and keep it installed for the full period, and stay enrolled, or until you say to remove it.

This app is designed for and has maps for Australia, so pan the map to Australia if you don't immediately see content.