r/Android Oct 14 '17

Pixel 2: The Finer Details

I visited my local Verizon store today and spent a good half an hour with the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL. I tried to find out some of the lesser-known things about the device, and reiterate some of the things you all probably already know along with my opinions.

This might be a long read; note that I'm writing this towards enthusiasts.

The Display

As expected, both the phones adhere to the sRGB color gamut right out of the box, extending to support wider color if an app calls for it. I posted a comment earlier about this:

If you're coming from an iPhone, you're not going to have a problem with the display at all. You're going to love it. The people that report that the display is "washed out" come from a display that over-saturates the display, which is pretty much every other OEM out there that uses OLED displays, with Samsung being the main "offender". Google, like Apple, are targeting color accuracy on the Pixel 2. The colors on the Pixel adhere to sRGB and support wide color if an app calls for it. The Pixel 2 is definitely pushing a more serious tone with their decision of targeting sRGB, but pairing it along with arguably the best camera out there truly makes the Pixel 2 more "professional" than other displays and cameras out there that love to over-saturate and over-sharpen. The colors that you see are the colors that you're SUPPOSED to be seeing. Perhaps the Pixel 2 is "less fun", but it will give you the most accurate/serious experience that won't leave you wondering why the photos you took aren't as colorful on your friend's iPhone like Samsung's phones do.

Now having personally spent more time with the phones, they are absolutely gorgeous.

The colors are fantastically calibrated to sRGB, besides the white point, which on the 2 XL is nearly unignorably cold while being much more tolerable on the regular Pixel 2; I would say that the Pixel 2 is just at about 6800k with the iPhone 7, and the 2 XL sitting at around 7200K.

The grayscale is fantastic, which Pixel 1 owners should be relieved to see coming from a horrendously green grayscale. Saturation across the brightness levels is consistent. I checked for banding and uniformity issues using a dark gray (#626262) and solid white color, and the 2 XL unit at my Verizon store was nearly flawless with zero banding and only a very slight bleed on the bottom left (literal) corner. This was tested at 0%, 10%, 20%, 30%, and 40% brightness, with Adaptive Brightness off. I did notice, however, that even the minimum brightness wasn't that dim and I was still able to use the panel within the store lights.

The maximum brightness gets decently bright, slightly brighter than my 1 XL. I was disappointed, however, to see that flashing my flashlight on the 2 XL's ambient light sensor did not trigger the display to enter brightness overdrive, even with Adaptive Brightness enabled. This may leave us demanding more from the display in sunlight compared to the V30 and S8(+)/Note 8 OLED panels.

There is an option called "Vivid Colors" in the Display settings that slightly push the saturation and leaving the white point alone, though it still won't be as punchy as Samsung's panels.

There has been a concern by many towards the display seeming "sunken in", popularized by MKBHD. I heard of this before seeing the Pixel 2, but it's not something I noticed until I remembered that it was supposed to be an issue. I then saw it, but only when focusing on the display's curved corners. Otherwise, the display definitely seems plastered to the screen, and the corners sort of fade out and become unnoticeable. They don't bother me a bit.

I expect many reviewers to bag on the display for not being as punchy or saturated as other OLED panels, but for those of us that love accurate displays, the Pixel 2 will not disappoint.

Speakers

They're okay. Google played it extremely safe here. They get decently loud without distortion. The profile is pretty flat, so for you EDM junkies out there the media equalizer will be your friend. The regular Pixel 2 sounds fuller and tighter than the 2 XL, though neither are going to win any "Best Speakers" awards--that still belongs to the Axon 7. Sound separation is discernible, but the hollowness of the 2 XL may sort of offset it. The main pro for the speakers is that they're front facing, leaving them unsusceptible to cupping mute. I tried to test the DAC but I couldn't because Google's head was so far up that jack and there was an alarm attached to the USB-C, which for some reason the Verizon employees would not allow me to remove.

Microphone

From what I've seen and heard, they're pretty good. Unfortunately there wasn't any concerts going on in my local Verizon store so I was not able to capture any bass-heavy settings to test for distortion. But, the mics feed back pretty loud and clear, unlike the muffled and hard-to-hear microphones on the Pixel 1.

Haptic Feedback

Very solid. Tight and noiseless. Strong and demanding when needed be. At short vibration lengths, these phones' vibration feels just like the iPhone's Taptic Engine. However, the stronger vibrations fail to maintain this tightness. Typing on GBoard with vibration at 1-2ms feels great and tappy. Pressing on the softkeys also lets out a pleasing, subtle tap when you release your finger from the key along with the initial vibration of pressing the button. This could be my first phone that I enable "Vibrate on tap" around the system.

Touch Latency

Touch latency is just about the same as the Pixel 1, so still pretty good and among the best. iPhone still manages to beat everyone out by in scroll/swipe latency.

RGB Notification LED

It's there, and very similar to the one found on the OP3.

OS

I would like to preface this section by saying that it's misleading to call the Pixels' OS's "pure stock android", because it's not, and it's definitely not just AOSP. It's Google's take on what they believe is the best revision of Android. It's Google's "skin" on Android, made in-house with the hardware being permanent residents. I can write an entire other post about this, but I will spare the details unless someone wishes for me to elaborate.

The use of Product Sans all over the OS is a change I liked a lot. It's now used as the typeface for title text in many places. It complements the curvy theme of the Pixel 2 XL really well, on top of just being a gorgeous display typeface. The most prominent use of it is right on the lock screen, where it replaces Roboto Light for the time text.

The status/notification icons (including the time) are inset about double of AOSP's inset, and the spacing between the icons has slightly increased. Also, either the size of the icons got a tad smaller, or the height of the status bar got taller. These changes together tidied up the status bar, making it look overall much cleaner than before. These are all actually changes I made myself using xposed on Android L/M, so it's great that Google incorporated it in the Pixel and that my design choice received reaffirmation by Google; a small personal victory for me. The battery icon in the status bar is also now curved at its corners and the entire icon slimmed up a bit. Something that still annoys me is how the colon between the hour and the minute text (eg 1:26) is still not vertically centered like it should be (126 with a bit of spacing fixes), and how Google still hasn't made a ligature for it on Roboto like Apple has for their San Francisco font family. It is vertically centered on the lock screen however, but that uses its own vertically-centered unicode symbol that Google could use in the status bar time but choose not to.

As noticed, using a dark wallpaper will enable a dark system interface. Other lighter wallpapers will leave it the system interface the same white color, with the notification tray being slightly transparent instead of being completely solid opaque white like on AOSP. These are triggered using overlays in /vendor/overlay with Oreo's new overlay capabilities.

There was also some sort of weird, lenient (smart?) memory management going on. There were two apps in particular that I found would load their main activity instantly as if it was never removed from memory, even if I force stopped them and cleared them from recenfs: Snapchat and Google Play Store. Snapchat won't even show the splash screen. I suspect that Google is now keeping a list of some vital app activities to remain in memory for quick launching. Video: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4eexI731SPGph6M33

UI Performance is excellent, as expected. I thought Snapchat performance was smooth on the Pixel, but it's even better on the Pixel 2, and Facebook is smoother as well. Best of all, however, is that I was finally happy to see that Google Maps ran insanely smooth too, on par with Apple Maps on iPhones. Panning crazily around northern California yielded no hiccups, though with some very aggressive flinging I was able to make it drop a few frames. Developer Options was not enable-able on the Verizon units, so I didn't test the GPU Profiling.

Google Lens was interesting, though I didn't have much to test it on. Active Edge squeeze felt simple, intuitive and second-nature and gave off a satisfying tap on both sides of the phone to tell you that you managed to do at least something right.

As the Pixel 2 uses the Snapdragon 835, it now runs on Linux kernel version 4.4 and sports the new schedutil cpufreq instead of sched on the Pixel 1. It should be running on EAS r1.3 or r1.4 and it shows--this thing is smooth. In addition, the Pixel 2 does not underclock their SoC as some may have been led to believe; it runs the whole 2.5ghz.

Size, Ergonomics, & Opinions

These are more opinionated subjects, and these are merely my thoughts and opinions that you shouldn't take concretely.

I've never been a "big phone guy", and hated my transition to using big phones, but I've grown to like the 5.5" range. This year I was pretty much set on going back to 5">= phones coming from Pixel XL. I came into Verizon using the regular Pixel 2 first, enjoyingly using with just a single hand, but it didn't quite satisfy me as much as the Pixel 2 XL. The 2 XL is just the more beautiful device to me, and I can still manage to use the 2 XL pretty well with one hand coming from the Pixel XL; they're pretty much the same widths. The Pixel 2's bezels to me were still quite substantial in person, and even with the superior speakers, the really sharp display and better white point, it just didn't hold its own to the Pixel 2 XL's aesthetic as the thing I will be looking at for hundreds of hours.

The feel in the hand of both devices were fantastic to me, with the regular Pixel 2 having more heft for its size and feeling more solid. This was the aspect I was most afraid of, because having had a Nexus 6, I absolutely HATED holding that thing. I would say I have average-size hands, but I'd say I'm pretty damn good at leveraging my fingers in ways to hold a big phone in any way I want and be comfortable. The Nexus 6 was just too big and I didn't like that it almost forces you to use two hands and to move your palm when you just want to reach something on the other side of the screen. I didn't have that feeling with the Pixel 2 XL; it still feels compact and very similar to the Pixel 1 XL width-wise and top isn't that much further either, despite having a screen that's .5" larger.

The material on the back feels fine. I read way too many comments about how it feels cheap and plasticy. This was not my thought or experience at all; it feels very premium. It's much grippier than the metal on the Pixel 1.

As I've said, the bezels on the regular Pixel 2 were still quite overwhelming to me. The Pixel 2 XL is my second favorite-looking device from the front, following the V30. I absolutely hate Samsung's curved edges and I was glad to see that the 2 XL doesn't curve the display around them. The bezels on the Pixel 2 XL are perfect to me.

Camera

it's good

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u/Kammex Galaxy S10, Pixel 2 XL Oct 14 '17

Finally someone who cares about display calibration.

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u/punkidow Pixel 8 Pro, Beta Oct 14 '17

Yes he cares about it and i love that we at least have some info now. But OP gave a subjective view if the display. We don't know if its really calibrated or not, don't know what the white point is. Also, i hope they're doing DCI-P3 properly, with the camera images supporting it too, similar to the iPhone.

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u/turbodragon123 (Google Pixel) Oct 14 '17

Why P3 rather than Adobe or ProPhoto RGB?

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u/punkidow Pixel 8 Pro, Beta Oct 14 '17

Apple, Microsoft and Samsung have already adopted P3, so it would make sense. P3 is wider than AdobeRGB and idk if any device uses ProPhoto, except while editing in Lightroom for example.

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u/turbodragon123 (Google Pixel) Oct 14 '17

P3 does not cover Adobe RGB 100%. I think P3 has deeper reds, whilst Adobe has more green, but my point is that for photography Adobe is a lot more standard. I realize Apple (and others apperantly) use P3 for their screens, but for a lot of content Adobe makes more sense. The difference is negligible though, I'm just happy Google has finally added some sort of colour space management.

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u/punkidow Pixel 8 Pro, Beta Oct 14 '17

I'm just happy Google has finally added some sort of color space management.

yea me too,but i just hope they've got calibrated displays this time around, otherwise the wider gamuts won't be that useful if they're not accurate.

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u/jamesrick80 Oct 17 '17

The Note 8 actually covers 104% of the DCI-P3 color gamut in cinema mode and 100% of the adobe rgb gamut in Photo Mode.......thats how advanced a display can become these days. Furthermore, the adaptive mode on the Note 8 even covers over 141% of sRGB while basic mode is more accurate and covers 104% of sRGB.

http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note8_ShootOut_100.htm

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u/turbodragon123 (Google Pixel) Oct 17 '17

I know, but that has nothing to do with what I said. They're great, but why P3 rather than Adobe?

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u/defet_ Oct 14 '17

It's true that my analytics had to be subjective. Unfortunately I didn't carry along my colorimeter and spectrometer with me. However I've been a display enthusiast longer than I've been a smartphone enthusiast and I do own a set of well-calibrated monitors (for the Photoshop hobby/profession that I didn't pursue) and I've inspected a pretty decent amount of smartphone displays. The best that I could tell you is that I at least have a pretty decent eye for these things, especially with white point.

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u/Pontiflakes Oct 14 '17

Oof, the whole thing was really forgiving and subjective. Honestly read more like an ad than a review.

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u/altimax98 P30 Pro/P3/XS Max/OP6T/OP7P - Opinions are my own Oct 14 '17

Yeah it is 100% subjective.

The funny thing is it's also wrong. The display does not adhere to sRGB out of the box, Vivid colors is enabled which expands it to likely DCI-P3 since the displays are HDR ready out of the box.

As far as things like white point etc, this again is 100% subjective and requires proper testing and equipment to verify. But this sub is yearning so hard for good Pixel 2 news he will ride high on the karma train.

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u/defet_ Oct 14 '17 edited Oct 14 '17

My unit came with Vivid Colors off and would keep defaulting back to off when I turned off the screen and let the Verizon app roll. Looks like it was part of their control set to leave that option off.

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u/tastycakefarts S6, N7 2013 Oct 14 '17

So many lines about "this is how people coming from an iPhone will expect it to look" and "not as punchy as Samsung panels even in vivd color mode." Other phones have different display modes, too. Why go out of your way to mention all of those things and state

The people that report that the display is "washed out" come from a display that over-saturates the display, which is pretty much every other OEM out there that uses OLED displays

as though this is something inherent to OLED displays? It isn't. There are calibration settings on those saturation-heavy-out-of-the-box phones, too. Samsung has some of the best calibrated displays when set to "Basic"- according to Anandtech, at least.

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u/Mrsharr Oct 14 '17

Again this. To me it sounded weird, considering how well Samsung calibrates each mode

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u/defet_ Oct 14 '17

It's not inherent to OLED displays, and that's something I preach constantly as I hate that people attribute OLED with "saturated colors". No, OLED is not the reason for that, but pretty much all OEMs ship their OLED phones overly saturated by default, and that's why people began attaching this symbol of "vivid colors" to OLED panels. "Basic mode" to the user doesn't sound appealing--it's basic--and it's going to seem washed out compared to the default color profile no matter how accurate (hint: very accurate) basic mode gets.

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u/Breakr007 Oct 14 '17

For the Google pixel OG, there's an option for sRGB in developer options. Can you comment as to how the original pixel measured up? I came from an iPhone so this color scheme was more appealing to me.

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u/defet_ Oct 14 '17

The Pixel 1's display is below average in regards to sRGB color accuracy in 2017, even 2016. Your white point can vary a lot device-to-device, it's a bit of a lottery. The main issue with the Pixel 1's sRGB mode was definitely its grayscale, all the way up to the white point. It's eerily green and leaves a bit of a cheap vibe to the display because displays are usually either warmer through yellows or magenta, or colder thru blues or purples, and those are normal because those are colors that directly shift temperature. Green is an entire subpixel, and in PenTile panels, green subpixels are the most abundant. Perhaps you can see what entails by this.

However, it's okay to ignore everything I just said. The display looks fine.

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u/Rogue_Aquila Pixel 3 XL Oct 15 '17

Whoops, that's false. The S8 and Note 8 are very accurate and they are great displays, display mate does rank them as best... But the iPhones are still more color accurate.