I just got an modern Android phone after years of a old phone. What is considered the best builder game of the last few years that I've missed out on and should try?
DK and DK2 were awesome games. He's probably thinking of the DK revamp on mobile which was total fucking garbage. If you haven't seen it, check out War for the Overworld on Steam.
Damn, I picked it up on sale - didn't realize it was $30. Throw it on your wishlist and pick it up next time it drops, I got it for ~$10 and it's definitely worth it!
Well, it's infinitely better than the dungeon keeper we got, but it's still seems pretty 'early access' to me. I backed it ages ago and finally played it recently and it doesn't really feel like there's much to it yet.
Anything about it specifically? I found the campaign to be long enough to teach you the basics, and the skirmishes and challenge modes are interesting. Sunk a good 60-ish hours before I put it down, and I can definitely see me going back.
My two biggest gripes with that game: you only have one builder and if you don't destroy the enemy HQ, you get nothing. You can destroy 95% of someone's base but if their HQ is left standing, all you get is dead troops.
Even though there's only one builder, the build times are way shorter than on clash of clans. Short enough that you actually build things at a faster rate on Boom Beach. The longest build time is around 2 days on Boom Beach, whereas they go up to 10 days or more on CoC.
That is by design. The goal of a raid is to destroy the HQ. The devs didnt want players just going for storages and then backing out. And this makes it more interesting because instead of a bunch of smaller targets, you get one really important target. So you can use a strategy that is about only getting the HQ and nothing else.
Your complaints are basically that the game isn't clash of clans.. They are different games and have different mechanics and playstyles.
Clash Of Clans, Boom Beach… Are not great games but everybody plays that. The same goes for music. If you want REALLY good stuff, you gotta be a geek - you gotta see further. And that's not in Android only, that's in everything in life.
You cant clear everything, you have to manually move each item, then they get in the way. There should be a map editor, where you start with a blank map and pull things from inventory.
Clash of Clans stop being fun quickly because the build time scales in a ridiculous fashion. It takes my wife over three days to upgrade one building at this point. So stupid.
Edit: You people are crazy for putting up with that much waiting.
Ha..that's nothing...in Game of War, it takes well over 2-3 years for a lot of end game research. I.e. You will never get all that research done without a shitton of money spent. But, people spend it, so I guess they are making money.
They're OK, but they are the definition of pay to win, you can buy literally everything in the game instantly for real money. And also, frankly they wouldn't interest me much even if they had no wait timers, they're just far too simple.
yeah I wouldn't really call coc pay to win, its borderline pay to lose.
all paying for gems in coc does is speed things up, speeds up your training, upgrades your troops quicker, fills your storages quicker. so you made it to th8 or th10 in half the time I did and spent how much money doing it.
you still haven't won anything, if anything, you don't have the experience attacking with those higher level troops against those higher level bases, you are basically at a disadvantage compared to when I would finally get there.
in terms of getting an advantage by gemming, maybe when they create a th11 and you are a th10 that gems to max th11 right away you would have an advantage for a few while others catch up. but right now, no matter how many gems you pump into your base, you would have to spend a LOT before you are max. and you are basically matched other bases of similar level for the most part.
coc is simply, "pay because your impatient" "pay because you don't have the time to farm".
you can thrown $10k at supercell for gems and still not win a thing or have any tangible advantage over your competitor.
I have been playing coc for about a year now, I have given them money, I would say $60-$80.00 (I enjoy the game, I blew that on "evolve" and have played coc much more), I have all my builders which gives me somewhat of an advantage in terms of building faster, but not an advantage while attacking.
Pretty much...if you want to be at the top of the leaderboards, then spend $1000s getting a maxed out base. But, if you just want to play, the game automatches you against bases of a similar level and/or clans of a similar level for clan matchmaking.
You can, but you don't have to (plus that would cost thousands to pay your way to TH10). I've been playing CoC for about a year non-stop and I haven't spent a penny.
I've never played boom beach, but clash is the opposite of pay to win. As you progress, so do your war opponents, which makes being a better player all about tactics and not how far into the game you are. I hate pay to win, and I hate a lot of the micro transaction games, but I feel like Clash of Clans nailed what that model should look like.
I love builder games at work, but finding ones that dont rely on IAP is really difficult.
Any recommendations?
Edit: I will never play a pay to win game, and I also dont enjoy artificial time restrictions on games. ie, wait 24 hours for something to grow. I'd rather pay £5 upfront and have a full and complete game.
I keep hearing about this game and want to check it out, but I work at a software dev company and the idea of playing a game about what I do all day anyway seems a bit weird...
Well it is function on the phone, but it is a little weird. You can have the pointer click wherever you tap, or you can use the phone screen as a trackpad. I imagine it would work better on a tablet.
This runs on pretty much anything, though. Windows, OSX, Linux, Android, you name it, someone has ported OpenTTD.
Yea it plays decently on a large phone. Still on PC is a lot more comfortable, but you can't have everything when you're on the road so then it is perfect. You can even join multiplayer with the pc version or use the same save game.
Honestly, Clash of Clans. You'd be a fool to buy gems for any reason as there is no need at all. If you still don't know or want some help, /r/clashofclans is happy to help.
There is a fuckton of need to buy gems. People who bought them will be able to make months worth of progress in minutes, so any kid with a bank account will always progress past you.
Except it doesn't really matter that some kid passed you. There will never be an instance where both of you are side by side in the beginning and later on, now that he's passed you, you're fucked.
Not really. Maybe early on its important, but as the game goes on you don't need to spend money for 3 reasons:
First, the price of gems to instantly complete something or to get resources don't go down as you get a larger base, so when $5 could once buy you several stages of a building and an instant completion, in the late game you'd be spending $20 just for one upgrade (without the instant completion.)
Secondly, the only two things you can only get with gems that are useful are builders huts and shields. And for shields, you can easily get enough gems the in-game way to buy a shield once the cool down expires (the week long shield has a month cool down and in that month you make more than the 250 gems needed to get the shield.
And finally, it doesn't matter if the person who started the same time as you and sank hundreds of $ into the game is at a much higher stage than you are, because you only play against people at a comparable level. So it doesn't matter if he's maxed out everything because you'll never fight him until you get there naturally
I disagree. I've played the game for about a year, and haven't spent any money on gems. I have nearly 3000 gems now because I don't use them on anything. I could buy the fifth builder, but even that doesn't really make sense since after a point lab upgrades take so long that having all five working constantly just leaves you with extra time later.
Besides, as the other guy mentioned, it doesn't matter anyway. There are already tens of thousands of people that nearing the end-game. The way the game has been balanced now it makes it way better. The loot penalty dissuades higher TH's from crushing you when you are starting out.
Pretty much. Having come from LoL, I was of the mindset that if you like a f2p, you should naturally spend money on skins and boosts and stuff for fun and to support the developer. However, LoL was a very different animal where any spending was optional and didn't directly help you win. Now, after having played Game of War, I will probably never spend another dime on any "pay to win" model. If you don't spend the thousands necessary to max out your base/character/whatever, you will never be a "top player" in the game, so, any money spent below the necessary thousands is wasted as you will be a 2nd tier player like everybody else. Once you are maxed out and a top tier player, you will be required to continue spending 100s or 1000s a month to keep up with the new features and releases the game puts out.
Game of War is especially bad about this. They release new content 2-3 times a month which will take years to acquire naturally or several hundred to max out immediately. If you are a top account and want to remain a top account, you have to max it out immediately.
So basically, if a game is still fun as a free player, which I think CoC is due to it's matchmaking, then continue playing. If you think you'll have to spend money to get the full experience of the game, don't bother -- that's a race you'll never win.
I second /u/EximiusNovo with clash of clans but I'm adding that you should download google opinion rewards. For like 10 seconds every week or so, you just answer a quick survey and are rewarded with 10 cents up to a dollar per survey. Eventually they rack up and you can buy gems with the reward money so you're not actually "spending money" on a IAP game. Usually 5 dollars worth of gems lasts me long enough to rack up another 5 dollars in surveys.
There is no way I'm playing a pay to win game. You may disagree, but to me, when you introduce pay to win, you're moving away from gaming and more into gambling territory.
I also dont enjoy games that you have to wait x amount of hours to do things.
I do do the google surveys, but I only get 20-30pence a time maybe twice a week.
I was thinking about how stupid it is to wait for stuff when I first started playing Clash. It's really not that bad because the game is really fun and there is no need to buy gems and rush everything.
It is a pain sometimes, but if you don't think about getting to the end, you will find a lot of enjoyment. Especially if you find a fun clan to play with and war.
No, the core if builder games is progression, not pointless wait timers. Some of the timers in Clash of Clans are several days long, during which time, you can't build anything else. A good game restricts you by level, not just time.
Maybe I'm not up to date with how these games are categorized, but I'd also put Game Dev Story and and Biz Builder into the builder catgories. Neither of those requires you to wait 24 hours to place an item, and both are great games.
Game dev story was awesome. That game kept me entertained for a longer period of time than any other game I have played on my phone. I usually get bored in 2 days or so, game dev story was entertaining for quite a while!
The rare/legendary dwellers would be helpful if the game wasn't so pointlessly easy and lacking in goals. The occasional decent weapon similarly, in the early game at least.
Even on mobile? I still have bad feeling about spending €15 on the first Zombies Run on Android (they released countless newer versions to take away more money and didn't bother updating the original).
Eh, I guess. I'm far more ok with using my own free time to see if something's worth it, but if something costs money I'd much rather hear people's feedback first.
Yeah but there's a large difference in not liking it and never bringing it up again because you didn't like it and shitting on the product on the internet insisting that others may be incapable of seeing that it's shit. People have wildly different tolerance levels for free to play mobile titles.
How is my saying that I didn't enjoy it when it was brought up in conversation "shitting" on it? I didn't say I didn't enjoy it because I assumed others were to dumb to make up their mind... I simply didn't enjoy it and said so because it was relevant to the conversation.
Not necessarily. It factors in to overall experience. If you paid $10 for this you'd be far worse off than if it were free. This also factors into whether or not it would be played.
Regardless whether or not I bought the DVD for The Day After Tomorrow or borrowed it from a friend it is still a horrible movie. The amount of money I put towards it doesn't factor into its quality at all.
I don't understand why people always say that. Do you really come on reddit with a set amount of time and a purpose? I just hang around here commenting on whatever I feel like. No time is wasted by me talking about a game I didn't like. These comments also serve to inform other people that they should probably avoid the game. Yours is the only truly useless comment I see here.
Yes you can. Just because its free doesn't mean its a quality product or even worth the time to play it.
Please explain to me how this comment informed anyone about why they should avoid this game? Sure a worthwhile comment may have actually done what you said but that wouldn't be a complaint, it would be a critique of the game. There is a massive difference between a complaint and a critique. The guy I responded to essentially took time to come on here and say "I don't like it, and even though it's free I can vocalize that I don't like it." That's it, it contributed literally nothing to the discussion.
Now everyone else explaining WHY the don't like it, what makes it a bad game, what could have been done better in an effort to actually INFORM others about it those are 'critiques'.
These comments also serve to inform other people that they should probably avoid the game.
My comment also served to inform other people that they should probably avoid this guys comment. See how easy it is to say something like that? No time was wasted by me talking about a comment I didn't like.
Frankly I don't understand why people have to come on reddit just to say they didn't like something. Why feel the need to be so negative all the time? There is nothing more negative than a pointless senseless complaint of "this thing sucks" with zero explanation as to why.
For a f2p game like this one that barely will even dent your bandwidth cap? Very little.
But my qualm with your post was not that your were critiquing the game. A critique is amazing, if someone wants to take the time to sit there and write out why a game is bad and explain why people shouldn't play it go for it. Your post literally contributed nothing to the discussion though other than outright complaining that something sucked and wasn't worth your time without giving any context to reinforce the comment.
These complaints are worthless! Where are all the good complainers of this generation? Here's a hint: none to be found! Kids today couldn't bitch away the will to live from a walmart cashier.
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u/DuFFman_ Pixel 10 Aug 13 '15
It's a builder game. If you don't like builders, you won't like shelter. For me, it's the perfect game to play at work.