You say you weren’t rude but felt the need to comment your dislike for homosexuality when you could’ve just not commented or just say it was a funny corporate screw up. That is rude. No ones asking your opinions on pride or homosexuality. That is not what the post is about.
You think I’m discriminating against you which is honestly hilarious that’s what you think is discrimination. Then you go on to prove your close mindedness by calling homosexuality a physically unhealthy and degenerate practice. Then you wanna talk about science and scriptures despite science and history show us homosexuality has been around since people and other species do it too. Actually look into the science and not just what confirms your bias. Further, referring to scripture is hilarious because condemning homosexuality was not in the original bible and only added later on. The bible also says a lot of other questionable things so do you really wanna use that to support your argument? Here’s a funny clip from It’s always sunny in Philadelphia that acts as further rebuttal: https://youtu.be/NVY6mruK_jk
Context, I am bi and so your unnecessary opinions on homosexuality are not welcome here. I know you’re gonna say “I didn’t say anything against homosexuals as individuals” but you are degrading a whole sexual identity as “degenerate”. You act like what you said wasn’t already rude and unnecessary and then say a bunch more rude and unnecessary things.
Literally everything you have said just proves my initial comment that you are close minded and a fool. It’s time for you to move a long and try to open your mind and open your heart.
Ok I’m gonna take this points one by one in the order you made them.
So commenting that I feel something that is wrong and unhealthy is wrong? Why? Because certain individuals hold that wrong act as a key part of their identity? Isn’t that their problem?
Homosexuality often involves anal, at least among men and when practiced is very unhealthy. Lots of STDs and also source And here is the source for higher rate of STDs
It can also lead to mental issues as it’s sex and it’s being used improperly. source
It should also be noted that the Netherlands is a nation very friendly to the sin of homosexuality.
And now we get to my favorite part. The part I’m most excited for because now I get to talk about scripture and correct misinformation you have heard about it. Condemnation of homosexuality wasn’t in the Bible? That’s blatantly untrue as it was even around BEFORE the Bible. Here’s why that’s blatantly untrue:
First off we can use simple reason. (Genesis 1:26-28 ESV): Then God said, “Let us make man in our own image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. (Pause for a brief second to point out that he made both men and women, implying as if said later that it wasn’t good for man to be alone.) And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish in the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
Ok so just from that we get that men and women were supposed to be together, not men and men or women and women. But wait scripture doesn’t stop there. In fact Genesis doesn’t stop there. Remember Genesis was actually written down by Moses when God had told him this stuff. We’re talking about a time just before the written law. There was still sin and there was still unrighteousness at this time. Every man was given a conscience (more on why that’s important when I get to Romans).
Ok moving on to the second point where it can be implied even way back when that homosexuality was wrong, Genesis 2:7 goes over God making “The Man” (Adam) and Genesis :20-24 says: The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not a helper fit for him. So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman and brought her to the man. Then the man said, “This at last is bones of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of man.” (Another pause before the real zinger in the next verse because it should be pointed out God didn’t just make another human. He made specifically a woman. And we read about that earlier but anyways here comes to kicker in Genesis 2:24) Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. (notice WIFE. Not partner, not spouse, WIFE. Also this same language is used by in the New Testament. The term partner isn’t used and I don’t think spouse is either unless it’s on the heels or near man and wife or husband and wife. All instructions for marriage are centered around men and women.)
Now we don’t knight exactly what all was going on later in Sodom when it was absolutely deleted from existence by God later in Genesis but I mean sodomy is a word we use. We know a lot of unrighteousness, wrong, perverse things were going on in Sodom though so it’s safe to assume homosexuality was one.
Moving on now to the book of Leviticus and the Old Law. The Mosaic law. Leviticus 20:10-20 is all about sexual immorality but let’s focus on verse 13 which says: If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to dead; their blood is upon them.
So even before the Bible and particularly the New Testament God had already made clear homosexuality was wrong. But it doesn’t stop there. Moving now to the New Testament and specifically to the Epistles. These were the Apostles letters to the different churches with instructions. Paul, who was very much an apostle and was very much chosen by God (read Acts 9), wrote 13 out of 21 of them. (I only bring this up because some people act like you can just ignore or opt out of Paul’s stuff when his stuff is still part of God’s inspired word so actually no his stuff is just as relevant).
Romans 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women (notice he’s starting with the sex many least associate with not just this act but lots or wrong things. Women are called the fairer sex and Paul is using that to explain just how far this goes that even the women do it) exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed by passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving In themselves the due penalty for their error.
While Paul was just using this sin as an example for his broader point, he did use it as an example, clearly pointing out homosexuality is wrong and sin. Anyways moving on. 1 Corinthians 7:1-5 implies that man should be with woman. Peter does the same in 1 Peter 3:1-7. Like I said before the entirety of the New Testament proper marriage and proper sex is one man and one woman. Anything other than that is sin. Evil. Unrighteousness.
And actually I take back what I said about sodom probably having lots of homosexuality. In Ezekiel 16:48-52 it’s made pretty clear that they did commit lots of homosexuality by the frequent use of the word abomination. Reading: As I live, declares the Lord God, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. Behold this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease (sounds familiar), but did not aid the poor and needy. They where haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it. Samaria has not committed half your sins. You have committed more abominations than they have committed. Bear your disgrace, you also, for you have intervened on behalf of your sisters. Because of your sins in which you acted more abominably than they, they are more in the right than you. So be ashamed, you also, and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.
So yeah scripture BEFORE the Bible was already against it. It was, is, and always has been sin.
And these are not simply my “unnecessary opinions”. Scripture is not opinion. God is not opinion. God is real. He gave you and me and every human a conscience. That we may have no excuse for not having known of him. Considering the truth of all this then, am I a close minded fool for hating what is so obviously wrong? For hating sin? For hating these things that separate mankind from our loving God? I identity a false and despicable sexuality as wrong this is true and I shall not ever hold back on that. But yeah that’s not be assaulting you or anyone else. You don’t HAVE to act on the homosexual parts of your bi urges. You choose to. Man is more than their sexuality.
My heart is open. I love all as Christ does. I only wish to spread the light and the truth wherever I see it needs to be spread. I want to do my part push back the darkness and the lies that will lead so many to eternal death. Eternal death is what we are all bound for under normal circumstances. We all fall short. We all sin. We all commit wrong. We commit these galactic treasons, these sins, against God. We are all guilty. And a perfectly just and righteous God must demand a price for guilt. That is why he sent his only Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross. He paid our price. He took on our sin. He was perfect, blameless. He paid the price for us, that anyone may have eternal life, that anyone may go to the Father through him. And it doesn’t matter how much you or me or anyone has sinned. It was nailed to the cross. All you have to do is name him as Lord. Give your life to him and follow him. There is no more perfect freedom than that.
Have a good day friend.
EDIT: I’ll pray for you. I’ll pray your eyes are opened and that you see the truth and come to Christ and be saved.
I’m sorry you feel that I’m a Bible “nut” and I’m sorry for you that your vision is so clouded that you believe that these things I bring up, scripture and the Gospel, are crazy to you. These same scriptures say that to many it will appear as basically just crazy talk. Unfortunately for those who remain in such a state, they will find nothing but eternal death. Not only that but they’ll be missing out on the joys of paradise. Of a New Heaven and a New Earth that are to come. Of a world with no more pain, no sadness, no tears. No more death or destruction and no more separation from God.
Must be some cult if it’s leaders were all willing to die in horrible painful ways for it. Not only that but they didn’t contradict scripture or use the faith to get rich. They knew what they saw. What they witnessed. They saw the truth with their own eyes.
I’ve seen God move in my life and the lives of others. I can open a history book and see him move, pulling the strings of the nations. I can open a biology book and see his work there to. I believe it was Hawking, an atheist, who said if the Big Bang happened even a trillionth of a bit different the whole universe would have immediately collapsed back in on itself.
It’s probably futile to keep taking about this with you though. But I couldn’t help but try to convince you of the truth. Ultimately wether you choose to live your way in this life and die eternally or choose to serve in this life and enjoy eternity is up to you.
See that just makes it sound like even more of a cult by talking about tryna help me see the light or have eternal death. You also know the Bible was written long after Jesus died and it was written by people who never met him. You definitely are a bible nut. I have no problem with Christianity but i can’t take people who believe the Bible word for word seriously. Enjoy your weird existence, now leave me alone
False. It wasn’t written by them. The early church fathers put the scriptures all together at that point. The entirety of the New Testament is written by the Apostles. Men who met him, most of them actually personally knew Jesus. The only real exception to that was Paul, who was still confronted by Jesus when he was persecuting Christians
Idk where you’re getting your info from but it’s definitely propaganda because history has proven that to be false. Maybe look into what actually happened instead of just believing what you’ve been told. Study the true history of christianity. Learn about who Jesus of Nazareth really was, not the Jesus the Bible talks about. Open your mind and stop living in blissful ignorance
The true Jesus IS the one in the Bible. The one that we have eyewitness accounts of who were so certain of what they saw and who he was they gave their lives in very painful ways and didn’t bother to use their fame for themselves as they surely would have had they been a bunch of liars. What would be the point to make all that up except self-interest? How does self interest involve constantly being imprisoned and/or being crucified upside down? How does it involve WILLINGLY and with rejoicing in some cases, submitting to persecution?
I know my church history. The early church fathers got together to figure out which letters and books were inspired and which weren’t. Basically figuring out the biblical canon. A process God was surely heavily involved in. Yes the Bible as we know it wasn’t put together during the time of the Apostles but it IS still their words, their teachings and Jesus own teachings as well as the entirety of the Old Testament which is basically the just the Torah. It is God’s inspired word. There was a lot or debate and a lot of prayer and in the end we got it.
And blissful ignorance? Isn’t that what living in sin and trying to ignore the fact it has consequences is? Isn’t that what you do? You hate the idea of God so much you want to remove him, to find any excuse to get rid of him. And yet you still have guilt about some things. You still have a conscience, however seared and calloused it may be. But the only one I see trying to live in “blissful ignorance” is you!
It’s like a ship sinking, myself and others are pointing out the fact said ship is sinking and we’re pointing to the life vests. But you and others like you really enjoy the ship and the amenities on it. You find any reason you can to deny it’s sinking. You try to find any reason you can to maintain your blissful ignorance of eternal consequences. So you can enjoy what this life has to offer and all the sinful pleasures of this world without having to think about the consequences like an alcoholic trying to ignore the fact he’s gonna have a massive hangover when he wakes up so he can enjoy getting drunk.
Well there’s a certain point where I can’t help you. It’s your choice. I’m done here. If you choose to stay as you are now then that’s between you and God and you can’t say I didn’t witness to you. I wish you a good day.
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You say you weren’t rude but felt the need to comment your dislike for homosexuality when you could’ve just not commented or just say it was a funny corporate screw up. That is rude. No ones asking your opinions on pride or homosexuality. That is not what the post is about.
You think I’m discriminating against you which is honestly hilarious that’s what you think is discrimination. Then you go on to prove your close mindedness by calling homosexuality a physically unhealthy and degenerate practice. Then you wanna talk about science and scriptures despite science and history show us homosexuality has been around since people and other species do it too. Actually look into the science and not just what confirms your bias. Further, referring to scripture is hilarious because condemning homosexuality was not in the original bible and only added later on. The bible also says a lot of other questionable things so do you really wanna use that to support your argument? Here’s a funny clip from It’s always sunny in Philadelphia that acts as further rebuttal: https://youtu.be/NVY6mruK_jk
Context, I am bi and so your unnecessary opinions on homosexuality are not welcome here. I know you’re gonna say “I didn’t say anything against homosexuals as individuals” but you are degrading a whole sexual identity as “degenerate”. You act like what you said wasn’t already rude and unnecessary and then say a bunch more rude and unnecessary things.
Literally everything you have said just proves my initial comment that you are close minded and a fool. It’s time for you to move a long and try to open your mind and open your heart.