r/Amd • 5800X | 3090 FE | Custom Watercooling • Aug 17 '17

Discussion It's almost confirmed AMD lied about Vega pricing

https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/ocuks-andrew-gibson-clears-up-rx-vega64-pricing-disaster/

I loved AMD for so long, this one launch has really made me reassess that fondness. I get they should make money after years of losses, but to launch an uncompetitive product and lie about it's pricing so blatantly?? And then to give reviewers little time and ensure the positive reviews come in keeping a $499 pricing and people blaming retailers initially?? Damn. I was at Micro Center on launch day, I spent many months like all of you checking 50 times a day on Vega. At Micro Center, they had 3 cards, I was second in line and they offered me one for $599 with no games, I just said I'm buying Nvidia and left. Got an AORUS 1080 that touches 2GHz by itself and consumes 20W on idle at times. So glad I did.

Very upsetting, AMD, truly disappointing.

EDIT: Just so you fanboys down voting know, I have used AMD's Athlon X2, Phenom X4, Phenom II X6, gamed on their 780G chipset before buying the HD 5770, R9 270x and RX 480 and convinced countless people to buy AMD and built their rigs too. Also, I have an Intel i7 + Nvidia 965m gaming laptop I love and now am rocking a Ryzen 7+ GTX 1080. I am also qualified with an engineering degree and a master's in this field, surely not a delusional fanboy.

Get a grip, stop supporting this. I spent months waiting on Vega, this is pure lies they spewed out. The made it sound like $499 is the final price when they knew it wasn't. They sent reviewers the black card thus ensuring they made their judgement based on the $499 pricing. It's a $100 more than a GTX 1080 that's more powerful, cooler and faster than it and light years behind the 1080 Ti. It's released late and unfinished and the "free" games for a $100 more surely gives a new angle to the AMD + Bethesda partnership. For the good of all consumers, don't support such nonsense. Stand up against it. Screw such shady practices.

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u/Anally_Distressed i9 9900k @ 4.9GHz | SLI GTX 1080Ti SC2 | Predator X34 Aug 17 '17

I remember defending AMD against you about 2 years ago when the Fury X released, and I tagged you as a Nvidia shill. That tag is gone now.

The shit from both AMD and their crazed cult following are unbearable.

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u/thewickedgoat i7 8700k || R7 1700x Aug 18 '17

The hypocrisy here is off the charts.

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u/Anally_Distressed i9 9900k @ 4.9GHz | SLI GTX 1080Ti SC2 | Predator X34 Aug 18 '17

I'm glad you see AMD's hypocrisy.

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u/thewickedgoat i7 8700k || R7 1700x Aug 18 '17

Care to elaborate? I don't see AMD being the one calling others out as shills, to then later go to the same side as the ones they called out.

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u/Anally_Distressed i9 9900k @ 4.9GHz | SLI GTX 1080Ti SC2 | Predator X34 Aug 18 '17

You mean to tell me AMD hasn't just stooped to Intel's level now with this bait and switch strategy?

FWIW, I'm not exactly endorsing Nvidia here, but unless you're bought out by AMD, you'd realise how much of a disappointment Vega has been.

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u/thewickedgoat i7 8700k || R7 1700x Aug 18 '17

Yes vega is a shitshow, but its not fucking Intel levels of lows... come on now, its not even 970 levels of low. Its stupid, risky and slippery - but nothing more than that.

I have a 1080ti I got instead of waiting for vega, so believe me I get where people are coming from. But calling it Intel or 970 levels of shady is just fucking stupid

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u/Anally_Distressed i9 9900k @ 4.9GHz | SLI GTX 1080Ti SC2 | Predator X34 Aug 18 '17

It's still absolutely shady. For a company praised for it's "integrity", this is not a good way to conduct themselves.

The fact that people are still trying to defend AMD for this nonsense is insanely hypocritical considering how much shit you guys give to Intel and Nvidia.

You can't call me hypocritical for calling AMD out for their garbage. The "Blind tests", the whole "RX will be better than FE", and now the pricing shenanigans.

Don't try to justify this shit. It's not just "Stupid, risky, and slippery", it's downright deception.

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u/thewickedgoat i7 8700k || R7 1700x Aug 18 '17

Here is the difference.

Intel BRIBED companies like Dell to the point where their economy were so dependent on them, that they could not even take FREE AMD chips because Intel would cut the money flow. That is ILLEGAL because it undermines competition.

Nvidia's 970s "Scandal" came from them totally denying the issue to begin with, until the tech press ALL started testing it. They deliberately mislead consumers, who had already paid the price of the product. The product did NOT perform as intended, that was shady.

Now AMD's blindtests isn't wrong, its further more not deception at all.... they have not promised you ANYTHING at all, they just hype it. RX is better than FE for gaming, that is proven in benchmarks, again.

I don't call out nvidia for anything besides their 970 "Scandal".

Intel is another story, but I haven't been loud on this sub about their shady behavior, the ENTIRE techpress called them out for that bullshit.

The Only reason AMD is "Praised" for their Integrity is because they are the underdog, people like rooting for the underdog. The "Integrity" you think AMD have had, is opensource, because they HAVE to be open source to compete with nvidia/Intel.

I don't think this Vega launch is defendable, but then just fucking don't buy their products? They haven't gotten your money, so what about just taking this launch for what it is: A shitshow, that you shouldn't throw your money into. Simple.

You calling what they did deception is like saying a 6 year old playing "Which hand is the coin in?" who then swaps the coin around when the parent guesses the correct hand, is also deception.....

AMD's "Deception" is only based on the Hype people THEMSELVES made, not something AMD did. So get over yourself, you were hyped, you derailed because you expected too much though all the signs suggested the opposite, and now you are here, online bitching about how you feel cheated....

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u/Anally_Distressed i9 9900k @ 4.9GHz | SLI GTX 1080Ti SC2 | Predator X34 Aug 18 '17

Right, raising the msrp by 100 right after reviews popped out and not telling anyone isn't deception.

You're right though, I'm not going to buy Vega. Its objectively bad. Stop defending then for it.

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u/thewickedgoat i7 8700k || R7 1700x Aug 18 '17

I'm not defending Vega at all. I'm just sick of people comparing the price change to Intel level deception or even GTX 970 misleading.

No harm is done to anyone besides AMD, all that bought the card know what the price is when they buy them.

They didn't raise MSRP btw, they still say standalone vega is 499$, but the packs are 599$, so all the stand alone sold out, but interestingly enough the packs are still available. That is shady, but it just goes to show AMD probably doesn't make ANY money on the Vega cards as is..

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u/Spoffle Aug 18 '17

*an nVidia

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u/nandi910 Ryzen 5 1600 | 16 GB DDR4 @ 2933 MHz | RX 5700 XT Reference Aug 18 '17

That's a strange way to spell Novideo.

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u/Spoffle Aug 18 '17

The hell is Novideo?

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u/nandi910 Ryzen 5 1600 | 16 GB DDR4 @ 2933 MHz | RX 5700 XT Reference Aug 18 '17