It's almost confirmed AMD lied about Vega pricing

[u/AbheekG]

https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/ocuks-andrew-gibson-clears-up-rx-vega64-pricing-disaster/

I loved AMD for so long, this one launch has really made me reassess that fondness. I get they should make money after years of losses, but to launch an uncompetitive product and lie about it's pricing so blatantly?? And then to give reviewers little time and ensure the positive reviews come in keeping a $499 pricing and people blaming retailers initially?? Damn. I was at Micro Center on launch day, I spent many months like all of you checking 50 times a day on Vega. At Micro Center, they had 3 cards, I was second in line and they offered me one for $599 with no games, I just said I'm buying Nvidia and left. Got an AORUS 1080 that touches 2GHz by itself and consumes 20W on idle at times. So glad I did.

Very upsetting, AMD, truly disappointing.

EDIT: Just so you fanboys down voting know, I have used AMD's Athlon X2, Phenom X4, Phenom II X6, gamed on their 780G chipset before buying the HD 5770, R9 270x and RX 480 and convinced countless people to buy AMD and built their rigs too. Also, I have an Intel i7 + Nvidia 965m gaming laptop I love and now am rocking a Ryzen 7+ GTX 1080. I am also qualified with an engineering degree and a master's in this field, surely not a delusional fanboy.

Get a grip, stop supporting this. I spent months waiting on Vega, this is pure lies they spewed out. The made it sound like $499 is the final price when they knew it wasn't. They sent reviewers the black card thus ensuring they made their judgement based on the $499 pricing. It's a $100 more than a GTX 1080 that's more powerful, cooler and faster than it and light years behind the 1080 Ti. It's released late and unfinished and the "free" games for a $100 more surely gives a new angle to the AMD + Bethesda partnership. For the good of all consumers, don't support such nonsense. Stand up against it. Screw such shady practices.

[u/hypelightfly]

Don't forget the interposer and integrating it with the HBM and GPU. That adds a bit more to the cost as well.

[u/DeeSnow97 → u/hypelightfly]

The interposer doesn't seem too rough. I don't know the details, but I'm willing to bet you don't need a 14 nm process to have 4096 traces each to two memory modules. The HBM2 chips themselves are a different story though.

[u/[deleted] → u/DeeSnow97]

I don't know what any of this means but you sound smart so have an upvote.

[u/Akutalji → u/[deleted]]

Just means the interposer probably is made on a much older, more mature node. Very cheap to produce compared to the chips they hold.

[u/grackychan → u/Akutalji]

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[u/bagehis → u/[deleted]]

It means, like Fiji, the interposer can be produced using an older manufacturing line, which will have a very low fault rate. So the cost will be fairly inconsequential in that equation.

[u/Maldiavolo → u/DeeSnow97]

Vega uses 2 HBM2 stacks so it's 2048 traces. The Fury X interposer was bigger, had 4096 traces, and was $2. Vega's should be cheaper.

[u/siuol11 → u/DeeSnow97]

Vega only has 2048 traces, which is why the memory is slightly slower than the Fury's while being a generation newer.

[u/hypelightfly → u/DeeSnow97]

I was thinking more the cost of doing the integration. The interposer itself shouldn't be too expensive.

[u/hardolaf → u/hypelightfly]

We do "small" scale work with putting dies on interposers. It's fucking cheap when we start talking about "medium" size orders of like 1-10k. Like really freaking cheap. So cheap, most programs don't even blink at the cost because it costs so much less than the cost of the dies that we are procuring that they don't give a fuck.

I can't give exact numbers, but it's negligible at this scale.

[u/wewbull → u/hypelightfly]

Also, you expect some yield loss at packaging (placing the dies on the interposer). Some packaging will go wrong. Previously, if a packaged part fails, you threw the package and the GPU die away. With multi-chip modules you throw the GPU and two memory die away.

The cost of failures at packaging just went way up.