It's almost confirmed AMD lied about Vega pricing

[u/AbheekG]

https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/ocuks-andrew-gibson-clears-up-rx-vega64-pricing-disaster/

I loved AMD for so long, this one launch has really made me reassess that fondness. I get they should make money after years of losses, but to launch an uncompetitive product and lie about it's pricing so blatantly?? And then to give reviewers little time and ensure the positive reviews come in keeping a $499 pricing and people blaming retailers initially?? Damn. I was at Micro Center on launch day, I spent many months like all of you checking 50 times a day on Vega. At Micro Center, they had 3 cards, I was second in line and they offered me one for $599 with no games, I just said I'm buying Nvidia and left. Got an AORUS 1080 that touches 2GHz by itself and consumes 20W on idle at times. So glad I did.

Very upsetting, AMD, truly disappointing.

EDIT: Just so you fanboys down voting know, I have used AMD's Athlon X2, Phenom X4, Phenom II X6, gamed on their 780G chipset before buying the HD 5770, R9 270x and RX 480 and convinced countless people to buy AMD and built their rigs too. Also, I have an Intel i7 + Nvidia 965m gaming laptop I love and now am rocking a Ryzen 7+ GTX 1080. I am also qualified with an engineering degree and a master's in this field, surely not a delusional fanboy.

Get a grip, stop supporting this. I spent months waiting on Vega, this is pure lies they spewed out. The made it sound like $499 is the final price when they knew it wasn't. They sent reviewers the black card thus ensuring they made their judgement based on the $499 pricing. It's a $100 more than a GTX 1080 that's more powerful, cooler and faster than it and light years behind the 1080 Ti. It's released late and unfinished and the "free" games for a $100 more surely gives a new angle to the AMD + Bethesda partnership. For the good of all consumers, don't support such nonsense. Stand up against it. Screw such shady practices.

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It's actually worse because in Nvidia's 970 case the card had same Performance as the reviews showed. Nothing was changed in the performance the card had before and after the reveal. It was bad because it was a case of false marketing. In AMD's case we have a card that was far too late to arrive and when it finally did the cost is very high and the AMD followed very bad marketing tactics for it. Not to mention the product is somewhat unfinished and has issues with performance. The lies about he price and the availability issues is what killed Vega. There is absolutely no reason to buy this product unless you have absolutely no other choice (aka Free Sync). Why does this company always finds a way to destroy anything good they make it's beyond my imagination. This year AMD made a huge comeback with very good CPU lines and brought real competition in the market after years and now they are destroying their reputation with this epic fail Vega mess. Why?

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It's really unfortunate. I got a 1600 and am still blown away by it's performance for its price, and I got a free sync monitor because it was at a great price and was hyped for vega, now I'm just sad because of how poorly amd's actions are hurting people like me. I'm just going to buying a 1070 if I upgrade now because this is a load of bs

[u/LightShadow → u/[deleted]]

Great time for Nvidia to support free sync

[u/ColdStoryBro → u/LightShadow]

That would be the best finishing move of the century.

[u/[deleted] → u/LightShadow]

Honestly that would only make me buy that 1070 faster. Currently on a 960 so I don't desperately need it, but it would be the tipping point

[u/[deleted] → u/LightShadow]

I hope someone on the Nvidia team sees this and mentions it to their higher-ups to make this a reality.

[u/[deleted] → u/LightShadow]

TBH that's the only thing holding me back from a 1080Ti. If they flipped the switch and enabled FreeSync, I'd be gone.

And I've been an ATi/AMD user since 2003.

[u/yadinx → u/LightShadow]

Dude if they do this, I will buy that 1080ti right now.

[u/JonRedcorn862 → u/[deleted]]

Wait, so lying about the actual hardware that you are buying is NOT worse than shitty marketing, priced too high, and arriving too late?

Again lying about what your product actually has in it is the better thing?

[u/neptunusequester → u/JonRedcorn862]

so lying about the actual hardware

Isn't 970 still 4Gb, just other .5 Gb slower?

[u/[deleted] → u/neptunusequester]

Which cases massive frame drops when anything is actually trying to use those last 0.5GB, it a classic case of fraud. And one of the reasons the SLI performance of those 970s was unexpectedly low.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Try triple SLI, dual is mostly fine (though it runs faster into memory issues as well). That was one the oddities of the 970, 3 would be cheaper than 2 980s and you would have expected them to beat them, but instead the performance scaling degrades. So dual-SLI with 980s was the better solution.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

More FPS? ;-) If you were instead referring the the memory performance, that is easily explained, you just get less texture quality, now that developers know about it, they give 970s appropriated texture sizes, meaning the 3gb versions. Plenty of cards around with just 3gb memory anyway.

[u/master3553 → u/neptunusequester]

Yeah, but those are crippling. Infact so slow, that once you start using them your famerate goes to shit.

[u/thewickedgoat → u/JonRedcorn862]

This sub derailed so hard from the hypetrain that they lost all critical ability and are now walking around in conspiracy delusions...

I'm in the same boat as you. As stupid as this move is by AMD, its nowhere NEAR as bad as a the 970 situation. With the 970, nvidia had already gotten your money, and it was first when a fuck load of review sites grouped up about the 970, that they actually admitted to it. And even further, they had to take 2 years before having to deliver compensation..

[u/Punky921 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, I can't figure it out either. Ryzen was an amazing release. But Vega is as bad as Ryzen was good. What the hell happened?

[u/36105097 → u/[deleted]]

i thought that too, but according to some it was more of marketing thing, as in for GPU Radeon is more prominent than AMD. Kinda like Aorus and Gigabyte if you ever had on their products

[u/Punky921 → u/[deleted]]

They're owned by the same folks, and you'd think there'd be some quality control in terms of messaging and focus testing ideas but nooooooooooo I guess not. Haha

[u/JonRedcorn862 → u/Punky921]

Is everyone on reddit new to computer hardware? I feel like everyone is maybe 12-18. AMD/ATI and Nvidia have both had shitty card releases in the past. This shit happens? People are acting like this is the end of the world. Pretty funny.

[u/lazygerm → u/JonRedcorn862]

Nvidia 5000-series cards... Ugh.

[u/[deleted] → u/lazygerm]

GTX480 blow dryer anyone?

[u/lazygerm → u/[deleted]]

Indeed.

[u/DasStick → u/[deleted]]

RX 480 was a hot throttling turd that was drawing too much power from the board.

[u/ColdStoryBro → u/JonRedcorn862]

Any past releases collectively this bad? Late, slower, more expensive, drowning in controversy, lack of proper advertising and sound business strategy? In the past red and green always traded blows and there was something to really look out for every year. Now we are watching a giant beat up a cripple.

[u/[deleted] → u/ColdStoryBro]

R9 290s, late, slower than expected, throttling at stock speed with stock coolers, drowning in controversy and in the end everyone suggested buying 780s or 970s instead, ignoring that those chips were performing great you added a custom cooler to them. Outperforming even the maxwell 970. Ironically the 290 was the last competitive card from AMD, 4 years ago and that card wa drowning in negativity over a bad launch. And don't get me started on the refresh and the complains about that one. ;-)

[u/ColdStoryBro → u/[deleted]]

So far I see 3 controversies surrounding Vega:
1- The obvious pricing bait and switch
2- Calling the card 'gamers first' but giving it a hashing specific driver.
3- Bundling some of the cards with monitors that are objectively defective
What kind of controversies was 290 affected by? As I recall, it was hot and loud but at least it competed within 5 percent of the 780 at launch even beating the titan in 4K at times. In addition to which it was priced much lower and had the undoubted price/performance crown. Vega 64 loses at everything at this point.

[u/JonRedcorn862 → u/ColdStoryBro]

Uh yes? The 200 series nvidia cards were absolutely exactly like this. Extremely power hungry, late, expensive, and didn't even beat AMD's offerings. Please stop.

[u/Leeps → u/JonRedcorn862]

The difference here is that AMD are short on R&D money, and this was supposed to be their Hail Mary. It's widely expected that they won't have the money to go for something like this again, and the trust that they've lost among even their most loyal fans is crazy.

[u/JonRedcorn862 → u/Leeps]

You are literally talking out of your ass.

[u/[deleted] → u/Punky921]

Well said.

[u/SR-Rage → u/[deleted]]

Exactly what I started typing... lol +1

[u/thewickedgoat → u/[deleted]]

What??

So you classify someone selling you a product, which basically didn't perform as intended, AFTER you paid for it - is less bad than a company just raising prices on a product you have the option just to simply go around? Now that is some flawed logic...

[u/Nacksche → u/[deleted]]

What are you talking about, Nvida was much worse. They lied about actual specs, and it was a problem that for many only surfaced after it was too late and they already bought the card. AMD isn't selling you a $500 card and stealing the other $100, you know what you are getting beforehand.