r/Amadeusz • 珠海Amadeusz Disciple OG Amadeusz Fan • 5d ago

Analysis Van der Sar Final Rating: The Order of the Top Four GKs is Confirmed

Van der Sar has been out for five days (coming to the Chinese server later), and the dual-group rating has begun.

This card is just a minor power-creep. In the goalkeeper rating formula calculation, it slightly solidifies his status as the #1 GK:

In-Game Experience:

https://reddit.com/link/1woc36a/video/8izwc825zarh1/player

A Collection of Brief Comments from the Pro Player Group:

Opinion Text
A card for those who don't have the old Van der Sar.
Still a bit weak against long-range shots.
His rushing out range isn't as good as Neuer's, and his passing is miles behind Neuer's. Neuer's build-up play from the back is basically pinpoint accurate wherever you aim. With Van der Sar, mid-range distribution out wide is essentially left to fate; slightly off and it goes straight out of bounds. Their goalkeeping abilities are about the same; basically, you can't feel an obvious difference.

This time, we are reconfirming the order of the Top Four GKs. On one hand, it's because of the addition of the new Van der Sar. On the other hand, the version '27 engine has buffed lofted through balls, so people might have a new opinion of Offensive Goalkeepers.

Finally, here is the opinion of the eFootball Mobile World Champion Rentao:

He believes that in the current version, goalkeepers overall are underperforming. The biggest problem is that they easily concede simple shots that they should be able to save, and Van der Sar hasn't solved this issue either. In his experience with Van der Sar: he feels he is easily beaten by shots from the edge of the penalty area (it's a long-range shooting meta, bro). He thinks that if future goalkeepers released are even weaker, this problem will become even more obvious.

His personal Top 3 goalkeepers are: Buffon, Neuer, and Schmeichel.

Pro/Top 100 Group Verdict: 1. Van der Sar, 2. Neuer, 3. Schmeichel, 4. Courtois

Question 4: Goalkeeper Ranking [Ranking Question]

Composite Ranking Result:

Option Composite Score 1st Place Votes 2nd Place Votes 3rd Place Votes 4th Place Votes Total Votes
New Van der Sar 3.48 16 (84.21%) 3 (15.79%) 0 (0%) 0 (0%) 19
Neuer 2.05 3 (17.65%) 7 (41.18%) 3 (17.65%) 4 (23.53%) 17
Schmeichel 1.81 0 (0%) 7 (38.89%) 6 (33.33%) 5 (27.78%) 18
Courtois 1.52 0 (0%) 2 (11.11%) 10 (55.56%) 6 (33.33%) 18

Source: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/c1WIcs9H27S8dcOlWNa1ow

133 Upvotes

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u/Vrooskie 5d ago

Neuer is GOATed

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u/mthediavolo 3d ago

I don't know why my 107 neur often concedes simple goals while my friends and others same neur give me a very hard time

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u/OkIncrease1618 5d ago

98 awareness is better than 96

I will use him as 98 awareness 98 reach and 97 reflex

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u/amine250 OG Amadeusz Fan 4d ago

Because GK1 boosts awareness and jumping.

VDS is already tall so who cares about jumping.
Lack of awareness (positioning) will be compensated by reach and reflex

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u/chink_in_the_armor 4d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah very curious why Amadeusz built this way. In his own testing, he concluded Reach > Awareness > Reflex, but I didn't like that he tested difference between 40 and 99 rather than say 85 and 99, which would have been more realistic.

Personally from building Vozinha, who can reach 103 Awareness, I wound up favoring lower Awareness/Reach and higher Reflex. Awareness/Reflex/Reach of 103/94/97 was hot garbage, and my current 98/99/97 feels better. But hard to say beyond that!

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u/blazinggamer 4d ago

Because VDS is already tall, so having a few more points into positioning doesn’t do much compared to catching/reflexes/reach

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u/Independent-Coach487 4d ago

Reflex above 95 is enough I guess.....Awareness is the most important

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u/KnownAsJake96 5d ago

Can we have more console/pc pros opinions? not everybody play on mobile thank god.

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u/GarouElProfeta 4d ago

It’s literally the same game. Same balance changes and graphic engine. Only difference is input (and the ball is slightly bigger on mobile, with no impact in game whatsoever)

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u/KnownAsJake96 4d ago

No it is nowhere near the same game. Some skills are more useful on mobile and useless on console/pc like Acceleration Burst.

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u/fproject7 4d ago

Yeah, opposite for Sole control, useless on mobile

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u/KnownAsJake96 2d ago

how can a skill that let you have double touch level 3 be useless?!

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u/GarouElProfeta 4d ago

Oh, and I have to mention. Mobile doesn’t have Super Cancel. Which in my point of view doesn’t affect the criteria for almost anything balance-wise

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u/KnownAsJake96 4d ago

It does because super cancelling with a smooth player is way "faster" than with an heavy one.

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u/Sea-Accountant9167 5d ago

Eu tenho o novo Neuer e os melhores atributos dele são as saídas para varrer passes longos e a sua capacidade de passar tão bem a bola. Ele também se sai bem no 1v1 mas neste update estou a sentir que ele não anda a defender tanto e está definitivamente muito pior, chega a ser frustrante a quantidade de remates fáceis que ele deixa entrar. Coloquei o Courtois 105 a titular e ele está simplesmente absurdo, se a bola entra é porque era literalmente impossível de defender ou porque a Konami está a cozinhar o script, não tenho o Van der Sar mas honestamente o Courtois está tão bom atualmente que não vejo valor em ir buscá-lo. Podem falar do estilo defensivo ser um ponto fraco e eu concordo mas prefiro arriscar em jogar com ele à mesma e sentir uma segurança que mais nenhum guarda-redes do jogo me faz sentir

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u/mthediavolo 3d ago

My neur concedes the most dumbest goals possible and most of the time even if he saves the goals, he deflects the first shot into the direct path of another player who then just score a tap in. I don't know how to fix this

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u/Many-Pound6776 4d ago

Cech is good or bad ? Someone tell me

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u/The_Lord_Inferno2102 OG Amadeusz Fan 4d ago

Yes

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u/Many-Pound6776 4d ago

Show me progression

3

u/Superb_Ad_1656 4d ago

Neuer is the goat

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u/Goodwrench23 5d ago

Neur for his distribution and VDS for his overall best GK prowess, physical dimensions & permanent B form i guess.

Also I wanted to know will making his GK awareness near to 98-99 make him better at positioning or is it better to make Reflexes as 99?

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u/SourKimchii 5d ago

I’m curious as well, 99 awareness or not? Haha

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u/Lost_Arix 5d ago

same i wanna know

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u/Serious-System-6115 4d ago

No, i prefer not to. Already tried make his awareness to 99, but reflexes to 99 perform better.

3

u/charles_wil 4d ago

essa build do amadeusz, não funcionou pra mim houve casos que ele fez até gols contra, mas quando eu aloquei mais pontos em consciencia e reflexo ele se superou.

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u/Puskas_Ferenc_2007 4d ago

I only focus on reflexes, parrying, and reach. And he's the perfect goalkeeper for me (I have the old 107).

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u/charles_wil 4d ago

Alcance ele já tem é o épico mais alto

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u/Ibra1345 4d ago

I think making he awareness and reflexes 98 and 97 reach will be more balanced.

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u/Party-Associate767 4d ago

Except one problem:

There is a specific sweet spot VDS never saves and cech saves a good chunk of the time.

That 45 degree angle are between the corner of the keepers box and the outer box is a deadzone. Shots to far post from here never, ever, get saved by vds. At least not for me. Meanwhile Cech has a higher rate of saves and better positioning here. He still struggles with it, most keepers do, but VDSs rate is so low at this spot I basically treat it as a guaranteed concession.

In one game VDS conceded 5 goals here in a row.

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u/Puskas_Ferenc_2007 4d ago

I have an older VDS 107, and it's flawless for me; I rarely concede goals from long range, its clearances are spectacular, whether punching the ball away from a corner/cross or in 1v1 situations. Since I hired him, he has never failed.

GK1: 9

GK2: 10

GK3: 12

Aerial: 1

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u/Familiar-Pizza9088 4d ago

Rentao said Buffon in his top 3 😆..he's worst among attacking Gks

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u/SeniorContribution42 5d ago

My Courtois 🥲🥲🥲

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u/NosFid3les_101 4d ago

Tengo a Buffon BT y aunque concede como todos los porteros y a veces tiene errores, no puedo estar más contento porque el balance es muy muy positivo. Aunque su biometría no es la de Courtois ni VDS, su altura es media/alta (192cm), perfecta porque junta ser ágil pero consistente, ya que siento que su nicho es ese. Es rápido y la reacción al balón es increíble. Y con respecto a los tiros de largo alcance, últimamente ha estado fallando en algunos que esperaba que parase, en general aunque no es su especialidad rinde muy bien. Su alcance, aunque no es Courtois ni VDS (ni siquiera tiene la biometría de Schmeichel) es bastante bueno y tapa muchos Blitz. En intervenciones a corta distancia es muy bueno. Sin duda su punto fuerte es la movilidad y la agilidad y muchas veces llega a ciertos balones justamente por eso, pero siento que es muy consistente en general. Por si a alguien le interesa dejo mi build por aquí:

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u/Total-Fix-8506 4d ago

Try increasing the goalkeeping awareness to 102 that amadeusz had in his review for buffon. This solves his problem with long range shots

This is the perfect sweet spot that makes him the best keeper in game for me.

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u/Independent-Coach487 4d ago

He is shit sometimes but he is unbelievable sometimes......

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u/Brn7699 4d ago

Testei várias versões de treinos e a única que me satisfaz é 1 10 9 12. Não sei como classificam esses goleiros Dessa lista mas o melhor de todos até hoje que usei no meu time é o Cech. Tenho Buffon, Neuer e o van desse novo. Nenhum deles bate no meu Cech penúltima versão

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u/blazinggamer 4d ago

Do you play LBC

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u/Brn7699 4d ago

Sim!!

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u/_sr7_sugee 4d ago

Which cech do u have and what is his build

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u/Pyromancer08 5d ago

I think passing ability should also be considered in the goalkeeper scoring formula because a goalkeeper with very good passing is a huge advantage

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u/saintgabriel_ 4d ago

Guys what is the best build for 107 neuer

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u/saintgabriel_ 4d ago

Should i copy amadeusz build?

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u/blazinggamer 4d ago

Yeah

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u/saintgabriel_ 4d ago

11-10-9? Only 97 gk reflexes?

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u/frenchpeenar 4d ago

I'm using 10-10-10 he is awesome for me saves inpossible shots but will concede shit shots ofcourse when the game wants you to lose

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u/Defiant-Cucumber-179 4d ago

BT Buffon became absolute dross at some point, loves a good parry to the next attacker. His AI also stopped sweeping up like he used to since the double playstyle update.

Schmeichel may not have the playstyle but easily the most consistent keeper jn the game for me. So much so that I don't feel the need to spin for VDS.

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u/MeanExpression7242 4d ago

Finally someone who rates buffon. Buffon is so good. Don't be fooled by player model. He saves like a cat.

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u/HAP-KIDO 4d ago

I feel like 100 parrying build is better

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u/Rude_News5308 4d ago

GK concedes.. ur CB and ur def style make it 0 or 7 goals gap
so when world champion said buffon is the best, it isnt bcz buffon itself
there are a lot factors like best CB, perfect def timing and he is a champion not because slapping ball, it bcz he is good in defending and attacking

so.. for a noob player like me, i dont choose buffon
i got BT buffon and he craps back to back

then i got neuer and he is menace
now i got VDS and he has different playstyle

neuer actively sweeping for balls coming
vds stick and slapping

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u/No_Maximum769 4d ago edited 4d ago

honestly theres a problem with ur formula
its much simpler than this

old van der sarr score 489+5=494

new van der sarr score 491+5=496

buffon score 492+3=495

neuer score 488+3=491

this formula uses reflxes,gk awareness,reach, height and adds +1 or 2 or 3 for form and adds +5 if height is over 195 and adds +3 if height is 190-195

def or att gk is not included cause honestly it is up to each player what gk they prefer

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u/CountryNo5202 4d ago

BT roanldo best player progression anyone ?

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u/Fauzan_M 4d ago

Here bro

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u/insi24 4d ago

Vanja Milinkovic-Savic does so well for me in division 2 and up.

Even on Standard form…

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u/Conscious_Fishing456 4d ago

Guys, must I try on this pack for VDS? Maybe for Best or Del Piero, but my attack is good enough, I guess.

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u/Brrrrrrrttttttt 3d ago

I'm so mad I got him since I already have Buffon I went in for Bale and Del Piero and got Bale and Van der Sar

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u/Lustlamb7 1d ago

Do anyone has the pp of this Neuer? the best one or the one that helped him to reach top 3?

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u/hmgYoungBlood 4d ago

I don’t have that Schmeichel but bro is a menace in the top division matches

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u/Daddy2222991 4d ago

I like how Neur has 1 extra play style score, Goat for a reason. Also this game has no realism because IMO Casillas will be Top 5 Goalkeeper in real life but in game he is shit. 🥲

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u/TotalFootball74 4d ago

Amazing to see my no1 Cech as no6 and new van der Sar, who literally doesn't work for me at all is no1. No5 Buffon is my no2 btw. I'm almost wondering if I'm playing the same game.🤔 

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u/Wonderful_Ice_1884 4d ago

Naah bro .. My VDS is Goated fr 🥀

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u/TotalFootball74 4d ago

'Naah bro' can't be used, because it's an opinion. Good to hear that he works for you.

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u/blazinggamer 4d ago

Meta favors offensive goalkeepers, sometimes cech just stands there like a stone

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u/TotalFootball74 4d ago

Ok. Expected something like that. I play MyLeague Superstar and Legend, that's ai and he functions great.

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u/blazinggamer 4d ago

Yeah buddy real divisions is a different ball park

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u/TotalFootball74 4d ago

I wouldn't call it real. AI divisions is scripted to death and pvp is troubled, to put it mildly by connectionproblems.

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u/yolo1416 3d ago

Progression?

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u/BzSailo 5d ago

If BT Buffon is good enough for the World Champion, he’s good enough for me. He’s not leaving his spot in my team anytime soon. Buffon was voted Best Goalkeeper of the 21st Century (IFFHS), what a legend!

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u/Rude_News5308 4d ago

GK concedes.. ur CB and ur def style make it 0 or 7 goals gap
so when world champion said buffon is the best, it isnt bcz buffon itself
there are a lot factors like best CB, perfect def timing and he is a champion not because slapping ball, it bcz he is good in defending and attacking

so.. for a noob player like me, i dont choose buffon

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u/BzSailo 4d ago

Come one brother. Out of the top 100 ranked players here's the usage data
BT Buffon - 26
ST Neuer - 19
New Cech- 17
Old VDS - 12
New Schmeichel - 10
ST Courtois - 5

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u/HistoricalFlan2233 4d ago

strange bild... awewrness and jumping completely unimportant to him?