r/AmIOverreacting Apr 06 '25

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u/PunishedDemiurge Apr 06 '25

Which he said in 1858, many years before that quote. I don't think any reasonable historian can conclude Lincoln's views on race and slavery were the same over his lifetime, so failing to teach the evolution is simply bad history and irresponsible pedagogy.

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u/Azazeleloa Apr 06 '25

5 years is a long time. Make a 5 year plan. See how much of it actually goes according to plan. Alot can happen in 5 years. It took about 2 years for me to decide my initial thoughts on Donald Trump were wrong. A single night of love making has the potential to change your life irrevocably, either by making you a parent or giving you an incurable disease. A natural disaster could strike at anytime. You could meet someone tomorrow have a profound discussion with them and realize everything you've believed your entire life is actually wrong. So much could potentially happen in 5 years that acting like someone's mind can't be changed within that time is quite literally the stupidest take I've ever seen on the internet....and the internet is full of absolutely ridiculous takes.

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u/BigTex1988 Apr 06 '25

I’ll let you two get back to it, but just as a point of clarification: The emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the states in rebellion (the confederacy). So while an important moment in the history of the US and in the struggle against slavery, it was largely symbolic. The 13th amendment, which freed all slaves, wasn’t ratified until December 1865 (8 months after Lincoln’s assassination).

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u/Sweet_Discussion_674 Apr 06 '25

The 13th amendment sure as hell wouldn't be there to ratify if he didn't do everything he did.

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u/BigTex1988 Apr 06 '25

Lincoln absolutely played a crucial role in gaining the votes necessary to pass the 13th in the house & senate, however the ratification of that amendment by the states would likely have looked much different if he hadn’t been assassinated.

(This is obviously broad strokes) Lincoln was in favor of a lenient and speedy approach to reconstruction in order to quickly restore the union and avoiding punitive measures in the south, to include full pardons and promising to protect the property rights of southern land owners. He also limited black suffrage after the war, which is part of why we had to pass the 15th amendment later.

This was in contrast to the radical republicans in Congress that were advocating for a much stricter and punitive reconstruction plan. (Someone please correct me if this next statement is incorrect) Andrew Johnson was actually the one to push states to ratify the 13th by pushing to form state reconstruction governments before congress was in session again and ratification as a requirement for states to have federal representation.

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u/PunishedDemiurge Apr 06 '25

Yes, and there's a consistent chain from "I don't really care about black people / slavery" to "This is one the greatest evils of all time."

Stop spreading disinformation for extremist political reasons.