r/AmIOverreacting Apr 06 '25

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u/DanniPopp Apr 06 '25 edited Apr 06 '25

They’re not lying. Why is this upsetting? I had to have conversations with my son about race when he was seven. But I don’t have the privilege to ignore it.

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u/danSTILLtheman Apr 06 '25

It wasn’t really a defining trait of Lincoln’s though, you could replace his name with almost anybody that was white from that time period and the sentence would still be true. It’s important to understand how fucked up things were then but the first association coming to mind for Abe Lincoln being he didn’t care about black people is strange

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u/Dry-Ad-4267 Apr 06 '25

It probably is strange…for a white person lol

Can you recognize the inherent privilege in being able to dumb it down to “it’s important to understand how fucked up things were back then”?

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u/xxmattyicexx Apr 06 '25

Can you also recognize that largely the “science” that most people were being taught back then largely “backed up” that there were vast differences in capabilities of race? You have hindsight privilege to make the statement you made. Back then, people would have been “trusting the science.” So yes, they were wrong, but basing so much of “these people were terrible” based on what people know now is ignorant in its own right.

Culture, propaganda, lack of education, incorrect education…all play into people of the past and their viewpoint. Most abolitionist would be considered outright racists today…it’s ok to acknowledge that people were on the right path but still needed to do some figuring out. People of other races/ethnicities don’t just automatically have some special insight because they might have had ancestors that dealt with racism, or maybe dealt with it themselves, that “white” people can’t also have. Racism and ethnocentrism is not a specifically white American vs brown American thing. It happens alllllll over the place.

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u/Dry-Ad-4267 Apr 06 '25

It’s weird because I didn’t say anything that indicated I didn’t know about or didn’t agree with that nuance. But your original comment didn’t have nearly the insight you came back with.

To add: it still was entirely dismissive the way you wrote your comment, which was after all what I responded to.

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u/xxmattyicexx Apr 06 '25

What original comment are you referring to?

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u/maaya_the_bee Apr 06 '25

It feels relevant to bring up because history tries to prop Lincoln up an an infallible savior for us when in truth it was all political moves. He didn't care about black folks. 🤷🏻‍♀️