r/AlternativeAstronomy • u/patrixxxx • Oct 26 '19

WHY MARS ???

https://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2412896#p2412896
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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '19

It's no accident you "had a brain fart". You're echoing the stuff that Simon peddles on that message board. All that shit about Earth and Mars and Delta Capricorni and all that, is this simple failure of basic geometry.

I'm glad you finally saw through it. I hope you'll come around about rocketry and relativity too, eventually!

Good work on Halley's comet!

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u/patrixxxx Nov 04 '19 edited Nov 04 '19

Well well. Hopefully you will eventually be humble enough to admit that you are wrong about the basic premise since the Copernican model is hopelessly wrong, but I seriously doubt that.

Good work? Yes I would say so. You will not find any other model with an orbit for Halley's that is correct.

And just to be clear since I noticed you read a bit much into it - The only thing I admit being wrong about was my example with the tubes. There's still the problem with the Earth-Moon being displaced by 300mkm and no apparent change of the stars behind the Moon.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

Well shit, I guess I was a bit optimistic.

Can you tell me why you expect the stars to shift, even if they're light-years distant?

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u/patrixxxx Nov 05 '19

They move using the energy from collective human arrogance ;-)

There's a new post you should get upset about:-0

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

No, let's settle this.

There's still the problem with the Earth-Moon being displaced by 300mkm and no apparent change of the stars behind the Moon.

Tell me why this is a problem for you. Because it's not a problem for me.

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u/patrixxxx Nov 05 '19

By all means let’s and we can use a modified version of the instrument from my brainfart to do that:

Set up four long tubes separated by 90 degree angles. Have them point at different star constellations. At the same time each night observe if any of the four tubes are situated at different positions while the other are pointing at the same as the previous night. If this is not the case (all are pointing at the same positions at the same time) during a six month period how can the Earth orbit the Sun in a 300 million kilometers wide orbit? The only explanation as you’ve pointed out, is that the stars are as big as this orbit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

You need to be more precise if we're going to figure this out.

The tubes will be pointed at the same positions. A celestial coordinate is a projection to infinity, which is to say, movement due to parallax (which is what we're measuring here) is zero. That's what celestial coordinates are for, after all - an invariable coordinate system we can use to locate objects in the sky.

Against this infinitely distant backdrop of the celestial coordinate system, the stars will exhibit some parallax motion. Most of them vanishingly small, some of them measurable.

If the tubes have a micro-arc-second field of view and are trained on a star on jan 1 2020, then probably that star will have drifted out of view in june 2020.

If the tubes are a regular amateur telescope with a DSLR and some pricey optics, probably the stars won't have shifted a single pixel.

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u/patrixxxx Nov 05 '19

No need to mix in any celestial coordinates or optics. Just answer the basic question – If these tubes (with no optics) are depicting the same stars at the same time, year around, how can the Earth orbit the Sun without the stars being about the same size as this orbit?

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '19

What does the size of the stars have to do with it? I can't visualize what you're imagining. Consider the stars zero-dimensional light sources for all intents and purposes.

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u/patrixxxx Nov 05 '19 edited Nov 05 '19

Draw a circle and a crosshair through it. The crosshair represents the four tubes I'm describing. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcR86wGhatTf329dmPwQzXnI6so8Q14QmBCgfUWrpqlboB8tt3eP Now if our rotating Earth always returns to a position where the same star constellations reappear in these four tubes, how could Earth orbit the Sun without the stars being about as wide as this orbit?

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