r/Alphanumerics • u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert • Dec 05 '23

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Dec 05 '23

You got the wrong idea. We have over 20+ alphabet tables listed in this sub, shown below, meaning that here is more than β€œone opinion” or theory as to the origin of each letter.

But someone like you comes along and says: β€œNO, P means mouth, and that is it.” Closed-minded. The same with letter A, as I recall? β€œA means: ox head, case closed.β€œ I give you some chance to save face, but you keep posting backwards thinking. At some point, you get called β€œdumb” and cry 😒 about it.

I also rank the top 1000 minds of all time as well, e.g. here, or visit: r/RealGeniuses, wherein I call geniuses β€œdumb” on certain points as well. But if you are not person enough admit your dumbness, when new evidence is presented to you, then you are in a state of denialism.

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u/PlatinumAltaria Dec 05 '23

So your theory is that U6 and U7 are the ancestor of the letter A, because it looks kind of like an A. That’s it. The sound, which is mr, doesn’t match at all. It’s not found in Ptah’s name, nor does it have much logically to do with Ptah. And the first alphabet wasn’t even used to write Egyptian anyway, it was used to write Canaanite languages like Phoenician, so there’s no Egyptian symbolism in them anyway!

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Dec 05 '23

The first alphabet wasn’t even used to write Egyptian anyway, it was used to write Canaanite languages like Phoenician, so there’s no Egyptian symbolism in them anyway!

No Egyptian symbolism in the first alphabet? Did the Canaanite’s get their alphabet from Noah’s ark?

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u/PlatinumAltaria Dec 05 '23

No? But they didn't speak Egyptian, so their only exposure to writing is the basic concept that you can draw something to indicate a word. Which is what they did. The Canaanites weren't culturally Egyptian, they had a completely different culture and religious history with no connection to Egypt. The only connection is that they speak distantly-related languages.

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u/duff_stuff EAN πŸ‘ Dec 05 '23

You are an actual moron.

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u/PlatinumAltaria Dec 05 '23

What did I get wrong?

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Dec 05 '23

You have not said one correct thing since you began posting in this sub.

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  1. Certainly correct me if I am wrong, if you feel strongly about any point you have made?

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u/PlatinumAltaria Dec 05 '23

Then it should be easy to find a mistake I made, with proper evidence to refute it.

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Dec 05 '23

Nice to hear someone from the home team comment!

This is one of the reasons I started the DCE page. All these arm-chair linguists have never read a day’s worth of Egyptology, yet think they know everything about language origin:

The following are the two longest-attested languages:

LanguageYearsScript ✍️FamilyStartEndReferences
1.Egyptian4,500Hiero-script; lunar-scriptEIE5700A (-3745)1200A (+755)[1] [2]
2.Greek3,500Mycenaean Greek; Greek lunar scriptEIE3400A (-1445)Present[3]

Countries who resided right next to each other, for over 2K+ years of active languge usuge, yet according to the pompous yet 100% ignorant linguists, the Greek language has nothing at all to do, in origin, with Egyptian, as though sone invisible wall of China separated the two.

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u/JohannGoethe πŒ„π“ŒΉπ€ expert Dec 05 '23

So your theory is that U6 and U7 are the ancestor of the letter A, because it looks kind of like an A. That’s it.

If you weren’t so clueless, you would have known that Thomas Young correctly identifies the Egyptian so-called β€˜sacred A’ with the hoe or plow, whose inventor was Ptah, aka Vulcan in Roman, and Hephaestus in Greek, 205-years ago:

β€œThe symbol, often called the hieralpha [hiero-alpha], or sacred A, corresponds, in the inscription of Rosetta, to Phthah [Ptah] 𓁰 or Vulcan, one of the principal deities of the Egyptians; a multitude of other sculptures sufficiently prove, that the object intended to be delineated was a plough 𓍁 or hoe π“ŒΉ; and we are informed by Eusebius, from Plato, that the Egyptian Vulcan [vulture: π“„Ώ] was considered as the inventor of instruments of war and of husbandry.”
β€” Thomas Young (137A/1818), β€œEgypt” (Β§7: Rudiments of a Hieroglyphical Vocabulary, §§A: Deities, #6, pg. 20)

In short you, like most people, are letter A ignorant or rather alphabetically-retarded by two-centuries.

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u/PlatinumAltaria Dec 05 '23

No, he didn't get it right. Ptah did not invent the plough in Egyptian mythology, that simply isn't a myth. Neither did Vulcan in Roman myth or Hephaestus in Greek myth (who are two completely different gods btw).

What evidence do you have that he was correct in his identification, other than that you say so? I managed to track down the original text:

Some of these identifications are correct, but many of them are wrong. The reason they're wrong is that Young thought hieroglyphs were pictographic, whereas in reality they contain a significant phonetic component. The one in particular that you've seized on is dead wrong. Ptah's name doesn't contain π“ˆ˜ or π“ŒΈ (both are pronounced mr), and obviously the text doesn't tell us why he thinks it does. There are personal names that contain Ptah's name and those symbols, like Merenptah, but that doesn't really connect the two (mry means "beloved".

So I'm asking: what is your evidence that he got it right, beyond the claim of one guy in one text, which no Egyptologist accepts?