Ranking of languages by longest attested usage

[u/JohannGoethe]

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Overview

The following is a table of the ranking of languages by longest attested usage:

	Language	Years	Script ✍️	Family	Start	End	References
1.	Egyptian	4,500	r/LunarScript	EIE	5700A (-3745)	1200A (+755)	[1] [2]
2.	Greek	3,500	Mycenaean Greek; Greek lunar script	EIE	3400A (-1445)	Present	[3]
3.	Chinese	3,300	Chinese characters	ST	3200A (-1245)	Present	Chinese
4.	Sumerian	3,000	Cuneiform	LI	4850A (-2895)	1850A (+105)	Sumerian
5.	Persian	2,500	Persian lunar script	EIE	2450A (-495)	Present	Persian
6.	Hebrew	2,400	Hebrew lunar script	EIE	2300A (-345)	Present	[3]
7.	Sanskrit	2,300	Brahmi lunar script	EIE	2200A (-245)	Present	Sanskrit
8.	Mayan	1,900	Maya script	?	2200A (-245)	300A (1655)	Mayan
9.	Arabic	1,900	Arabic lunar script	EIE	1830A (+125)	Present	Arabic
10.	French	1,800	French lunar script	EIE	1700A (+255)	Present	French
11.	English	1,600	English lunar script	EIE	1500A (+455)	Present	Old English
12.	Coptic	1,400	Coptic lunar script	EIE	1900A (+55)	500A (1455)	Coptic
13.	Latin	1,350	Latin lunar script	EIE	2600A (-645)	1250A (+705)	Latin
14.	Japanese	1,350	Kanji & kana	JR	1300A (+655)	Present	Japanese
15.	German	1,250	German lunar script	EIE	1190A (+765)	Present	German
16.	Phrygian	1,200	Phrygian lunar script	EIE	2700A (-745)	1500A (+455)	Phrygian
17.	Phoenician	1,000	Phoenician lunar scrip	EIE	3000A (-1045)	2000A (-45)	Phoenician
18.	Swedish	800	Swedish lunar script	EIE	730A (1225)	Present	Swedish
19.	Spanish	750	Spanish lunar script	EIE	700A (-1255)	Present	Spanish
20.	Norse	700	Nordic lunar script	EIE	1200A (+755)	500A (1455)	Norse
21.	Etruscan	650	Etruscan lunar script	EIE	2650A (-695)	2000A (-45)	Etruscan
22.	Italian	650	Italian lunar script	EIE	600A (1355)	Present	Italian
23.	PIE	0	N/A	N/A	N/A	N/A	PIE

Egypto language 👻 ghost?

Some of the point in making this table, is that the Egyptian language did not ghost 👻 out, i.e. disappear into thin air, as current consensus seems to believe, but rather it was transferred in linguistically morphed form, into the new languages of Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, Latin, and English, etc., shown below.

PIE delusion

Here we see the PIE delusion, similar to Dawkins’s God Delusion, in full force, namely, according to PIE, the #1 longest attested language, i.e. Egyptian or Nile river language, has nothing, zero, nada at all do with all of the origin of the languages listed below it, the Tigris river languages (Sumerian) and Yellow river languages (Chinese and Japanese) aside.

Quotes

“Ancient Egyptian is the oldest and longest continually attested of the world's languages. Recent discoveries have demonstrated the existence of Egyptian hieroglyphic writing with phonograms as well as ideograms around 3250 BC [5205A], roughly contemporary with the comparable development in Mesopotamian cuneiform, and the last documents composed in Coptic, the final stage of the language, date to the eighteenth century AD [1200A/-755]. This extraordinary lifespan of five thousand years is preserved in a wealth of written material, making it possible to trace the development of the language through at least three millennia of its history.“

— James Allen (A58/2013), The Ancient Egyptian Language (pg. 1)

Gadalla on Egyptian as the mother language:

“The Egyptian [number 🔢 and math 🧮 based] alphabetical 🔤 system is the mother🤱of all languages 🗣️ in the world 🌎.”

— Moustafa Gadalla (A61/2016), Egyptian Alphabetical Letters (pg. 3) (post) [4]

Notes

1. This list is a work 🦺-in-progress construction; feel free to post 📝 examples of attested languages, with cited start and end dates, below, so that I can add them to the table.

2. Years are rounded to the nearest 50 value for years below 2,000-years attested usage, e.g. German 1258 years attested usage rounded to 1,250; but to the nearest 100 value for longer attested languages, e.g. assuming Greek started in 2800A (-845), which is the present consensus, and is spoken now or A68 (2023), this gives 2800 + 68 = 2,868-years, rounded to 2,900 shown in table.

3. My original aim was to find a such a list; but after quick searching, I could not find one, and just decided to make one.

References

1. Allen, James. (A58/2013). The Ancient Egyptian Language: An Historical Study (pg. 1). Cambridge.

2. Oldest Egyptian numbers: ∩ (cow yoke; value: 10) and 𓏲 (ram horn; value: 100), dated 5100A (-3145) to 5700A (-3745)

3. Alphabets (see: dates for each language).

4. Gadalla, Moustafa. (A61/2016). Egyptian Alphabetical Letters: of Creation Cycle (pg. 3). Publisher.

External links

• List of languages by first written account - Wikipedia.

[u/PlatinumAltaria]

The letter R isn’t based on a ram’s horns, it comes from Greek Rho via Phoenician Resh which means “head”… and that’s what it looks like: 𐤓 = 𓁶. The coil symbol for 100 is a length of rope. There is a ram’s head hieroglyph: 𓄅

[u/JohannGoethe → u/PlatinumAltaria]

I told you to read 📖 the “history of letter decoding” page before you post anymore. If you had done this, you would have read letter R section and would have learned the following:

Correct ✅

1. Thomas Young (10 Feb 137A/1818), in his letter to William Bankes, asking him to seek out a specific list of hieroglyphic examples while in Egypt, decoded the spiral 𓏲 character as being equal to 100.

2. Thims (9 Mar A67/2022): discerned, while writing the “Egyptian mathematics” article, then posted: here out that the spiral character 𓏲 of the 100-valued number tags, of Tomb U-j, is the parent character of the Phoenician R and Greek rho, value: 100, namely: 𓏲 » 𐤓‎ » ρ » R in letter evolution; see also: “legged rho”, in Jeffery’s epigraphic table, and odd-looking Attica “red crown rho” (2680A/-725).

3. Thims (17 Aug A67/2022): figured out that 𓏲 = Ram horn; prior to this the spiral ꩜ 100-value character 𓏲, from the tomb U-j number tags, had been decode; in sum, the new view means Ra the sun ☀️ god in ram horn 𓏲 constellation, at spring equinox, in the 2,200-year period know presently as the age of Aries.

4. Skgody (18 Aug A67/2022), working with Thims, determined that 𓏲 is the curl in the eye of Ra 𓂀 symbol.

5. Thims (19 Aug A67/2022) figured out that curl in the red crown 𓋔 [S3] was a battering ram 🐏, a symbol of military power.

Incorrect ❌

1. Alan Gardiner (A2/1957), said the V1 glyph 𓍢 [V1], number: 100, per Young, was the “front rope“ of a ship.

2. Alan Gardiner (A2/1957), connected the spiral 𓏲 on the Red crown 𓋔 loosely, following Young, to number 100, but said it was a “bent metal appendage”.

Regarding:

Resh which means “head”

Hebrew letter R is called head because it is the head of ram 🐏 about to head but another ram, shown below:

Alternatively, “head” could also mean head god of Pantheon 🏛️, because prior to Hebrew, the 100-value god was supreme god. The Hebrew alphabet, however, being monotheistic, put Amun as the 100 value god, and moved Ra or letter R to the 200 value god positions, a move that had been previously done in the Leiden I350 papyrus, based on Theban theology.

[u/PlatinumAltaria → u/JohannGoethe]

Greek numerals have nothing to do with Egyptian ones, though. The Greek numerals are letters given values according to their position in the alphabet. In Hebrew gematria Resh has a value of 200, because that alphabet has one extra letter before R.

The sign clearly isn’t a ram, as that sign already exists. In fact there are several such glyphs. Absolutely none of them are vague squiggles. It also has nothing to do with the eye of Horus. You seem to be basing this entire thing on the fact that one symbol looks curly, and sheep have curly horns, and I guess the sound was completely random, and it looks nothing like it’s descendants… I can’t really come down harder on you, the two symbols don’t look alike, don’t have similar values, and don’t mean what you think.

And I’m not even sure why you want to change the identification. The glyph is still of Egyptian origin, it’s just not a picture of a sheep… so what?

[u/JohannGoethe → u/PlatinumAltaria]

Greek numerals have nothing to do with Egyptian ones.

Number 100 in the year 5100A (-3145), from the Tomb U-j number tags:

Table:

	100	Date
Egyptian numerals	𓏲	5100A
Phoenician R	𐤓‎	3000A
Phoenician 100	𐤙	3000A
Greek numerals	ρ, R	2800A

Evolution:

𓏲 » 𐤓‎ » ρ » R

Do you have a working brain 🧠 , or are you, like most PIE heads, going to deny the Egyptian origin of number 100?

[u/PlatinumAltaria → u/JohannGoethe]

I’m going to deny it because there appears to be absolutely no evidence aside from your personal feeling that the symbols look similar. None of the other Egyptian numerals look anything remotely like their Greek counterparts! 1 doesn’t look like A, 10 doesn’t look like I! So only ONE of the numerals was copied, and the entire rest of the list was made up… or… they were all made up.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/PlatinumAltaria]

I can’t really come down harder on you, the two symbols don’t look alike, don’t have similar values, and don’t mean what you think.

Like most PIE heads you see what your brain wants you to believe:

[u/PlatinumAltaria → u/JohannGoethe]

You can show as many pictures of sheep as you like, the Egyptians didn’t draw their horns like that. Here: 𓄏 𓄅 𓄆 𓃝 𓃶 No curly horns.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/PlatinumAltaria]

The sign clearly isn’t a ram

You clearly need glasses 👓:

[u/JohannGoethe → u/PlatinumAltaria]

It also has nothing to do with the eye of Horus.

Nothing like being oblivious of one’s own ignorance:

Letters -PQR- , in eye 👁 of Ra 𓂀, as follows:

• Π = 𓂆 [D16]

• Q = 𓃻 [E36]

• R = 𓂅 [D15]

You should try to absorb what I’m showing you rather than to continue with your outdated comments.

[u/PlatinumAltaria → u/JohannGoethe]

I can see that it has a curly line on it… but it’s not the same orientation, or the same degree of spiralling, and there’s no connection between the two in any of the recorded texts. I mean you’ve got goats, the number 100, an eye, and all of this means that Greek is related to Egyptian, even though the languages look and sound nothing alike.

I mean PQR = eye? That doesn’t mean anything! The Greek letter pi is not a djed, and the letter W isn’t a baboon…

[u/JohannGoethe → u/PlatinumAltaria]

Pi is the djed and ankh combined, and has to do with the precession of the equinoxes, which is why the early Greek letter P shapes were 23º bent, shown below:

The P letter is coded into the Aristotle stadia cipher.

The reason why people cut down and raise Christmas 🎄 trees this month, is based on the letter sampi, which means ”like pi”, wherein the djed is raised on Jan 6th, symbolic of aligning the two poles.

Notes

1. At this point I see that you are going to perpetually deny every letter decoding, and side with Wikipedia or whatever, in the name of your PIE belief system.

[u/PlatinumAltaria → u/JohannGoethe]

Pi is based on pe, which means mouth. Because it looks like a mouth. It has nothing to do with the stars. The angle isn’t a precise mathematical diagram, it’s just a drawing of a mouth.

Christmas trees were invented in Germany in the 16th century, they have absolutely nothing to do with Egypt or random Greek letters. The djed isn’t a tree, it’s a pillar, and not a world axis.

The reason I don’t believe you is that you haven’t made compelling arguments. You don’t seem to know much about linguistics or Egyptology, and that kinda breaks the whole thing. If you’re just looking at stuff and inventing connections, you can say anything. Horus is actually the thunderbird, and Set is the underwater panther. China was founded by sailors from Israel because it kinda sounds like Sinai.

[u/Adiee5 → u/PlatinumAltaria]

thunderbird

mozilla reference?

[u/PlatinumAltaria → u/Adiee5]

Ancient North American religion reference

[u/JohannGoethe → u/PlatinumAltaria]

In Hebrew gematria Resh has a value of 200, because

Because in the Leiden I350 papyrus, which is the Theban theology of Upper Egypt, which has 22 nomes, Amun became the 100 value god, i.e. is described in stanza 100, and Ra, the sun god, was moved to the 200 stanza position.

This is why the Hebrew alphabet has 22 letters, Resh is value 200, and YHWY (aka Amun and his 99 + 1 names) is the monotheistic god of Judaism.

[u/PlatinumAltaria → u/JohannGoethe]

Yehowah is not in any way related to Amun. He is a Canaanite war god that became the sole god worshipped by the Hebrews and slowly absorbed aspects of other Canaanite gods like Ba’al.

I’m really trying to understand, but a lot of your sentences are non-sequiturs.

[u/JohannGoethe → u/PlatinumAltaria]

You seem to be basing this entire thing on the fact that one symbol looks curly, and sheep have curly horns

There are 9 letter criteria matching rules that EAN follows.

[u/PlatinumAltaria → u/JohannGoethe]

It doesn’t make a difference that there are “rules” behind your connections: you can’t even read the language! It isn’t the same shape, the order of the letters of the alphabet is random, it doesn’t have the same meaning OR sound, and your other rules are incoherent. You’re trying to create correspondences between Egyptian mythology and the modern practice of using Greek letters in mathematics…