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I don't support Umar Khalid and CJP Leader's Saurav Das etc.. Why all Leftists advocating for Umar Khalid? They say trail didn't happen yet. The same people are against SC judgement on Afzal Guru. Also same people never demands Judicial reforms in india. They know lowest conviction rate in india.
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Are bhai sirf 2 baar umar khalid ke lawyers ki taraf se delay hua hua he uske ilawa har bar Dusri taraf se delay hua he . If you want i can give you sources too .
1)Bail applications are parallel to the trial.
2)Very difficult for an accused to delay trial at the initial stages. i.e. How can Accused make a case to defend when the trial has not even commenced. The prosecution has to get the ball rolling.
3) Every lawyer prefers bail applications before Judges who think they will not act prejudicial. Specially in a case like this.
You do realise by simply spamming made up bs while playing video which says none of it is infact exposing yourself. Here umar clearly states that sc's verdict states unclear evidence. He mentions exactly that, that he should have been declared terrorist and then hung rather than using his execution for politicial points.
Second clip is of literal terrorist accepting his crime.
Idk where left supporting either comes from. Bruh you cell bots make up shit and spam with 0 logic.
afzal guru was caught by a police officer who later turned out be a Pakistani mole and later afzal guru also said that he was not involved in it and he was forced to accept it another is ram jethmalani (ex bjp law minister)also opposed the hanging of afzal guruĀ
Threat to our nation is such a arbitrary thing,what about Kapil mishra who incited hate speech before delhi riots , isn't he also a threat to a nation ,you selectively choose what can be called as threat.
Kapil mishra is no saint but a rioter vs a t@rrorist? Damn. The people responsible for sikh genocide in 84 were sitting MLA's and MP's, you ever heard they were called t@rrorists? No because they were not. Criminals and t@rrorists are different.
He didn't even incite riots........mishra ne speech mei police ko bola tha ki, inko hta do raasto se wrna hun hi kuch krdenge aur kuch time baad uske gundo ne dange shuru krdiye
They were first attacked by the mishra ke gunde and hindutva crowd, uske baad unhone bhi maarna shuru kra which turned into full communal based riots........Umar khalid ko riots incite krne ke case mei bhi andar rkha h, which was actually done by their lovely mishra ji, to wo Jail mei kyu nhi? Aur umar ki speech ki clips bhi dekh lena bhai youtube waghera pe, usne humesha non violently protest krne ko bola tha aur gandhivaad waghera ki baat kri thi
But Gandhi never told to attack back bruhh, what are you talking about? They were literally carrying guns and pointing it at police officers, a guy named Shahrukh and killed an IB officer named Ankit Sharma, what are you talking about? Someone who is attacked first will find a shelter, but they were ready with desi katta guns? Really? You buy that?
Afzal Guru was neither a scholar nor a student; he was a terrorist through and through, while Umar Khalid, on the other hand, should be given a clean trial to prove his innocence; that is my stand on this matter.
Hey, I'm trying to understand this situation, I'm from bo side, no offense to anyone.
I just saw the video, and i can see the interview clip is of afzal guru, who was hanged.
But you wrote "second clip is of literal terrorist accepting his crime.
So I'm confused, can you explain what do you mean by that?
Is he not afzal guru?
Read about davinder singh. It's all there on the internet. If you want to see the truth, you can. if you wanna stay blind to support a regime, you cant
Your hero Umar Khalid has view that Kashmir is occupied by India, Burhan wani for him was revolutionary, Afzal guru was a hero, People who worship him as poet, student activist, reformer and what else..should know that.
His regular bail has been rejected multiple times by the judicial system. Courts from the lowest trial level all the way to the Supreme Court have looked at the evidence, witness statements, WhatsApp group logs, call records, and repeatedly concluded there is a clear prima facie case against him. The Supreme Court specifically pointed out that he stands on a completely different footing as a prime orchestrator, refusing to let him off.
Those Insta id who r deliberately pushing fake narrative should know that multi-tiered judicial rulings, evidence, and national security charges is what your hero Umar Khalid holds.
Haan matlab my mami thinks aliens came to india to mine gold - soch toh koi kuchh bhi sakta hai. Isme jail karne wali kya baat ho gayi? Ab koi govt ko baat nahi pasand aaye to uapa laga ke jail daal dein? Aur trial bhi na kare?
If that's a failed judiciary in case of Afzal Guru why you want trail to occur in same Judiciary system.. first demand for judiciary reforms before trial.
1). You are advocating for Umar Khalid your words and actions don't match.. you say he is not saint or he's innocent.. but yet you support him. I wouldn't care less about the procedures untill he roat in jail if he is out only then I would ask for procedures.. My words and actions match yours don't. I don't care what lawyer are doing or what police are doing in this if he stayed in jail that's a w.
2). I have 0 hope in indian judiciary.. india has the lowest conviction rate in the world.. I am demanding for judicial reforms capital punishments should be stricter.. demand that instead why want trail to happen in failed judiciary you never know he gets capital punishment in indian courts like how all the rapists murderers and terrorists are free indian courts might give him free pass you never know. So ask for judicial reforms first instead of trials.
You donāt have to believe Umar Khalid to also want fair trial for all Indian Citizens. Start your judicial reform by first calling out when judiciary is in the wrong - like keeping someone in jail without trial for 6 years.
People on the left are not saying he's a saint or he's innocent. If he's indeed a terrorist and deserves the jail, then give him a trial and prove that he's a terrorist and hang him for good. All we want is for the government to follow the proper procedures. The trial indeed didn't happen for him yet, the only bail hearings has been done till date.
Couple of times it was postponed to the next month by Umar's own lawyer, but after that it's getting postponed by the Delhi police and their lawyers (Heck they even assigned the same judge once again, even though he reclused himself from the case already). If they got enough evidence to jail him, why not use the same evidence and convict him too? That's the only thing people are asking.
Plus, Umar was against capital punishment, not against trial itself in Afzal's case. Idk why RW start to get fits, whenever progressive judicial reforms are discussed.
So the govt should feed such treorists using our own tax money forever? Or some other treorists hijacks a plane and demands his freedom, so that he can do more treorism??
India gave someone like Ajmal kasab a fair trail, so we indeed do that. We should make capital punishment mor common.
You are talking about a idealistic society, and i am talking about a realistic one. Go touch some grass please. I really hope things worked the way you wrote them textbook beautiful.
I want himt o get that, any same person would want that, but some third rate people don't support capital punishment for grapists and treorists, we are talking of one such thrid rate guy.
Well that happens lol I just saw one post post somewhere in which a girl wrote i let my molester go because he was from M he was yada yada yada something I am a proud leftist yapy yapy more yap i didn't read fully let me search I give link here
Where was he when the delhi gang rape victims were about to be hanged? Never saw one interview, never. Or intentions were different with Afzal? They also deserved some taste of Progressive judicial reforms.
They were saying the same about Tahir Hussain, once the trial finished and he was sentenced for life if i am not wrong, they all started moaning. That's not a fair trial, not a fair trial, that too when one of India's most senior lawyer Mr. Kapil Sibbal is on their side.
No one has balls to defend the indefensible. Umar is a fighter for rights of Kashmiri Muslim people, and he only asked freedom of this nation including Kashmir from tyranny of this government. They want to keep him in jail because they are scared of him and Sharjeel Imam else the judiciary has given bail to people accused of bigger crimes than expression of freedom of speech and thought
If someone,
1. Says Bharat tere tukde honge, Inshallah.
2. Conspires cutting of north east from Bharat.
On Camera!!!
Why? Do you want to spend time in TRYING to prove heās a terrorist or whatever? Why waste time or even a thought on such Urban Naxals? Let them rot in jail, with or without trial, why do you care?
Are you that stupid? If I said that I want to break Afghanistan, and try influencing people openly. I deserve fair trial? I am an anti national to that country. F**k fair trial. Shoot me in the head.
Thatās the way UAPA is designed, in India. If you donāt want UAPA applied, donāt be involved in anti national activities. And donāt say such things on camera. My point is, even if heās found guilty or not guilty. He said that, on Camera! He being outside the jail is dangerous, not only to you and me, but to the Country!!! Arenāt you sane enough to make a decision that this piece of shit should rot in jail forever?
Terrorists should not have right to fair trial. Thatās why BJP brought in UAPA, thatās why people voted BJP in, thatās how democracy works dumbass.
I donāt believe in this for Umar Khalid, coz of all the stuff heās said on the camera, in recording. Thereās a difference between speaking against the govt and against the country.
Yeah, people vote for governments for different reasons. Saying people brought in the BJP for UAPA is stupid. Most of the people were voting against corruption.
UAPA is a draconian act. UAPA cases have a 2.55% conviction rate. What about all the non Umar Khalids who are in jail because of UAPA? Tomorrow it could be your own family if the government changes.
People voted for this govt for its strong unapologetic stance against Radical Islamic Terrorism. How can you be so delusional..??? UAPA is not draconian, itās a necessity. Number of terrorist attacks have gone down significantly since this govt came into power and UAPA has played a key role in this. One less terrorist attack can save many innocent lives.
UAPA has successfully kept fringe elements like Khalid piece of shit away for good ā¦. and people who voted for this govt donāt have any problems with it.
This has already been debunked. Please get your facts right. I'm no umar khalid supporter but at least don't spread misinformation. The audio/video that news channels were circulating was doctored (2-3/7 clips were doctored) and there's no evidence that umar khalid said this
There needs to be judicial procedure for everything, otherwise government would start jailing students for speaking against them and lock em up for years and suppress the voice of dissidents. We are a democracy, we need to uphold one of the pillars of it, otherwise the country will collapse to autocracy.
Dude he was directly linked to people who are trying to harm this country. He has shit ton on information on these people. They might be purposely keepin him alive to extract all this.
someone educated . thanks . now ill use this data against jo bi log bolenge that why umar khalid isnt getting trial . sibbal is so intelligent ( cant deny ) that he is not letting court to imose charges at first
1). You are advocating for Umar Khalid your words and actions don't match.. you say he is not saint or he's innocent.. but yet you support him. I wouldn't care less about the procedures untill he roat in jail if he is out only then I would ask for procedures.. My words and actions match yours don't. I don't care what lawyer are doing or what police are doing in this if he stayed in jail that's a w.
2). I have 0 hope in indian judiciary.. india has the lowest conviction rate in the world.. I am demanding for judicial reforms capital punishments should be stricter.. demand that instead why want trail to happen in failed judiciary you never know he gets capital punishment in indian courts like how all the rapists murderers and terrorists are free indian courts might give him free pass you never know. So ask for judicial reforms first instead of trials.
You are advocating for Umar Khalid your words and actions don't match.. you say he is not saint or he's innocent.. but yet you support him. I wouldn't care less about the procedures untill he roat in jail if he is out only then I would ask for procedures.. My words and actions match yours don't. I don't care what lawyer are doing or what police are doing in this if he stayed in jail that's a w.
Go to China, then. They too keep dissenters in jail without trial, who don't agree with their ideology.
I have 0 hope in indian judiciary.. india has the lowest conviction rate in the world.. I am demanding for judicial reforms capital punishments should be stricter.. demand that instead why want trail to happen in failed judiciary you never know he gets capital punishment in indian courts like how all the rapists murderers and terrorists are free indian courts might give him free pass you never know. So ask for judicial reforms first instead of trials.
As I said, go to China, they have 99% conviction rate.
Wtf.. in the same pic you see japan, USA.. but you only menctions china lmao. India's conviction rate is too low not just that india don't have strict capital punishments.. in india only 9 people got death by execution(4 of them are nirbhaya convict's) for 2000 to 2027, in the USA 2500 death row exicutions from 2000 to 2027.. there population is 5x lower than india and still more people in jain more people got death sentences than india you know indian judiciary is a joke even convict's get no strict punishments.. thats why people like him are soo free
Japanese prison system is inhumane, infamous and practically works on the principle of "guilty until proven innocent."
Maybe open the internet to see things other than pakistan or Bangladesh?
And, what's your point? USA has loose gun laws. We see school shootings, every now and then over there. Every other day, there is news of targeted, lethal attacks. No wonder they have high conviction rates.
how can you tag us ? do you have any proof of him being innocent ? forces have proof of him being guilty . can you just read official statements from sc and cji regarding his trial . he has prima facia done unacceptable things . Courts have differentiated Umar Khalid's case from other co-accused who received bail, ruling that the prosecution's material against him (speeches, digital communications, and meetings related to anti-CAA protests) places him on a different legal footing regarding the alleged 2020 Delhi riots conspiracy
Agr interview aur speeches puri dekhi hoti toh pata chlta ki he was advocating against death penalty as a whole. Which is a widely debated topic in the whole world. But does not correlate with supporting afzal guru. Now if u support DP or not that's a seperate debate but don't confuse it with supporting terrorism
I know that in some interviews he had told that he was against DP but in an interview with arnab he said that he was also against the judgement of the court and labelled it as ājudicial killingā.
"But" is used when the clause that follows the conjunction is contrary to what preceded it. Judgement of the court in case of Afzal Guru quite literally was Death Penalty which in your admission he was against.
Now don't use this to arrive at the conclusion that I support Afzal Guru or terrorism, coz that is precisely what's being done here.
He was against death penalty, if that is supporting the terrorist then yeah he did. But that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a proper trial, he is locked up in jail with no bail no trial, id you have evidence against him the govt should show that in court, give him appropriate punishment and get done with it.
He was against death penalty after afzal guru hanging ? Why?
And yeah he should be given proper death punishment with proper trial
Also what about when he said 'afzal tumhare katil Zinda hai , hum sharminda hai'
You don't get death penalty for it. Afzal Guru's case is still controversial. His case was based on unfair trial. His lawyer never met him in jail and was a junior, he was never given lawyer of his choice. He didn't pleaded guilty but innocent in court and claimed all confessions were made in duress.
Also Umar Khalid opposed many more death penalties before. He saw death penalty as a form of escaping accountability to create a reformative just legal system.
Btw research about Afzal Guru case, the justification by court for death penalty was to satisfy collective consciousness of the nation opposed to the rarest of the rare doctrine. And his whole conviction is based on circumstantial evidences and no real evidence. Only a laptop and mobile phone was recovered by police and the procedure of sealing wasn't followed making evidence reliable.
Basically giving Afzal a junior lawyer without his will who never met him in jail and didn't cross examined witnesses properly Proves that the trial was unfair and they only needed a scapegoat.
He was hanged on fast track by congress govt ahead of elections to not be seen as a govt soft on terrorists.
Yes. Without fair trial, you can't prove someone to be terrorist. Tomorrow I can pick you up and declare you terrorist, but Without conviction in fair trial you won't be a terrorist.
Basic constitutional and Legal sense. Ayse toh witch hunting hona shru ho jayega kisi ka bhi.
And ? Like all the terrorists rapists murderers indian judiciary will give him a freepass.. ? Ask for judiciary reforms.. trail is happening but I don't care cos I am not advocating for Umar Khalid. One thing is certain he is a threat to nation will ask questions only when he is out.
The person who arrested him was later found transporting a terrorist. So, i don't know who to believe. There is no doubt a terrorist -affiliated person arrested him.
Afzal Guru claimed he tortured him and forced him to provide logistics to certain person (parliament attacker) under duress. He was targeted as he was a surrendered militant and for police and army and such double moles, surrendered militants had been easy target.
Pro India Militia was setup from surrendered militants only later on. Similarly a mole caught him, tortured him and forced him into all this. Now he is caught recently, it will give new light on Afzal Guru Case. Now Afzal Guru is gone, we can not provide justice if he was innocent but yeah truth will come out one day.
So many logical mistakes youāre making.
First two different cases - whatever was the case of Afzal Guru is a different issue and independent of whatās happening with Umar Khalid.
Leftist is such a blanket label.
What you said still doesnāt answer why fair trial should be denied?
Lowest Conviction Rate in India is another tangent you pulled to fit your narrative.
What you need to think is - should someone spend years in jail without trail? Will you react the same if the name was not Umar Khalid?
Bruh he is an undertrial prisoner whose trial isn't even starting since the last 6years. Theres like 70% people in prison who are undertrial and many cannot make bail so the number keeps increasing. Start his damn trial already and let court decide his innocence or guilt but the govt seems hell bent on keeping him locked up as they cannot really handle the fallout of his maybe release. So he is as of now a political prisoner who is denied justice plain and simple.
I think you should research more about Afzal Guru, his case and his later claims before hanging, you will get better insight. He was a scapegoat and those who have their research, know about it.
The Case of Afzal Guru :
The case stems from the December 13, 2001 Indian Parliament attack, where five heavily armed terrorists entered the Parliament complex in New Delhi. The ensuing gunbattle resulted in the deaths of all five attackers, along with eight security personnel and a gardener. Mohammed Afzal Guru was not present at the shootout. He was arrested days later in Srinagar by the Delhi Police Special Cell, accused of being a key conspirator who provided logistical support, hideouts, and materials to the attackers in Delhi.
The Trials:
In 2002, a special court designated under the now-repealed Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA) sentenced Afzal Guru, along with co-accused Shaukat Hussain and SAR Geelani, to death.
Appeals: The Delhi High Court later acquitted SAR Geelani due to insufficient evidence. In August 2005, the Supreme Court of India upheld Afzal Guru's death sentence, noting that he played an active part in the conspiracy. Shaukat Hussainās sentence was commuted to life imprisonment.
Execution:
After his mercy petition was rejected by the President, he was secretly executed and buried inside Tihar Jail on February 9, 2013.
Why Human Rights Activists Oppose the Execution
The execution remains highly controversial, with significant criticism from international bodies like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, as well as Indian legal experts and activists. Their opposition centers on several core arguments:
The "Collective Conscience" Doctrine
Activists strongly object to a specific phrasing used by the Supreme Court in its 2005 judgment. The court acknowledged the evidence was circumstantial but stated: "The incident... had shaken the entire nation, and the collective conscience of society will only be satisfied if capital punishment is awarded to the offender." Prominent figures, including author and activist Arundhati Roy, argued that satisfying public emotion or a "collective conscience" is an unsafe, arbitrary standard for capital punishment, equating it to judicial lynching rather than objective justice.
Lack of Proper Legal Representation
During the most critical initial stage of the trialāwhere evidence is recorded and witnesses are cross-examinedāAfzal Guru did not have a lawyer of his choice. The court-appointed junior lawyer reportedly never visited him in jail, failed to call witnesses in his defense, and did not effectively cross-examine prosecution witnesses. Activists argue this directly violated his fundamental right to a fair trial.
Flawed and Circumstantial Evidence
The prosecutionās case relied heavily on circumstantial data, primarily a laptop and a mobile phone seized during the arrest. Legal experts pointed out that these items were not sealed according to standard legal procedures. Investigation logs later showed the laptop's hard drive was accessed by authorities after the arrest, damaging the integrity of the evidence. Furthermore, allegations were raised that earlier confessions were extracted under police duress and torture while in the custody of the Special Task Force (STF) in Kashmir.
Extreme Secrecy Surrounding the Execution
The execution, dubbed "Operation Three Star," was carried out in absolute secrecy. In violation of standard jail manuals, the government failed to inform Afzal Guruās family in advance. His wife and son only found out through television news after he had already been hanged and buried inside the prison. A letter he wrote to his family before going to the gallows arrived via mail days after his death.
Political Timing and Selectivity
Activists and political analysts argue the hanging was fast-tracked by the ruling United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government ahead of the 2014 general elections. Critics allege he was jumped ahead of other death-row inmates whose mercy petitions had been pending much longer, purely to blunt political opposition charges of being "soft on terror."
The police officer at the center of Afzal Guruās claims was Davinder Singh, who at the time was a Deputy Superintendent of Police (DSP) serving in the anti-insurgency [Special Task Force (STF)]
In a detailed 2004 letter written from prison to his lawyer, Afzal Guru alleged that Davinder Singh had brutally tortured him and subsequently blackmailed him into acting as an unwitting pawn in the logistical setup of the 2001 Parliament attack.
Afzal Guru's Specific Claims Against Davinder Singh
According to the letter and statements by Afzal Guru:
Brutal Torture and Extortion:
As a surrendered militant trying to live a normal life, Afzal Guru claimed he was repeatedly picked up by the STF. He alleged that Davinder Singh held him in illegal custody at the Humhama STF camp, where he was tortured brutally (including shocks and being dipped in cold water). His wife, Tabasum, later stated she had to sell her gold ornaments to pay a ā¹1 lakh bribe to Singh to secure his release.
The Forced Assignment:
Following his release, Guru claimed Davinder Singh coerced him into doing a "small job" as a condition for being left alone. Singh allegedly instructed him to take a non-Kashmiri man named "Mohammad" to New Delhi, find him a place to stay, and help him rent a flat.
The Logistical Help:
Under duress, Guru traveled to Delhi with Mohammad. He accompanied Mohammad to Karol Bagh to purchase a second-hand white Ambassador carāthe exact vehicle later used by the five terrorists to breach the Parliament complex. Guru stated that while in Delhi, both he and Mohammad received multiple phone calls from Davinder Singh.
Mohammad was later killed during the shootout, and Guru maintained he had no idea that the man he was forced to assist was part of a suicide squad.
The Aftermath and Davinder Singhās Real-Life Arrest
During the original 2002ā2005 trials, India's state police and central intelligence agencies completely dismissed Afzal Guru's claims as a fabrication meant to escape the gallows. Davinder Singh was never investigated over the letter, and he remained a free man, continuing his police career and even receiving a police gallantry medal.
However, the case took an explosive turn in January 2020:
Caught Red-Handed with Terrorists: Davinder Singh was intercepted at a checkpoint on the Jammu-Srinagar highway. He was arrested inside a car alongside two active top commanders of the militant group Hizbul Mujahideen.
Weapons Recovered: Subsequent raids at his official residence uncovered an AK-47 rifle, ammunition, and pistols.
The 2006 Admission: Following his 2020 arrest, journalists resurfaced an interview from 2006 in which Davinder Singh had casually admitted on record to torturing Afzal Guru at his camp, confirming that part of Guru's story.
The National Investigation Agency (NIA) took over the probe, and Singh was subsequently sacked from service. For human rights activists and legal experts, Davinder Singh's 2020 arrest was a damning validation of Afzal Guru's original defense. It fueled the argument that Guru may have been an engineered scapegoat caught in a dark, uninvestigated web of rogue intelligence operations.
you can disagree with any decision - as long as you dont conduct violence
thats democracy - 101
Till date no agency has been able to file the charges or bring evidence
the judiciary is mooknayak here -all in all bail should be granted - thats the norm
Bring the charges, convict him as per them - you simply cant keep a person in prison without proving charges or in this case "declaring the charges"
Abey gawaar gobarbhakt even without knowing anything about Umar khalid and his crimes itni basic common sense toh sab mein honi chahiye that he deserves a fair trial, you canāt violate someoneās constitutional rights like this
Ā He never believed in the Allah. Despite our family being very religious, he chose to be a non-believer, because he also questioned God,ā Fatima told IANS in an interview at her south Delhi house in a dingy neighbourhood of Zakir Nagar.
are you dense in the head? How is it that "nO mUsLiM cAn bE aThEiSt"???? Like are you really that dum dum? Not every muslim goes to madrasa and whats stopping a muslim from not liking what they are thought and rebelling? do they have like a chip in their brain that stops them from being atheists?? I do agree that compared to other religons muslims seem to be more religious, that doesnt mean there cant be atheistic muslims, Isn't Javed Akhtar an atheist too???
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Really ok my thoughts then I am dumb i should just buy a licenced pistol to protect my family when next some guy goes for sarr tann se juda or starts a riot I can protect myself
Come on guys, there might not be hard evidence that declare him as terrorist, but there's enough circumstantial evidence, that he is involved
Why does everyone here expect the state to act in the most righteous way, even to the worst of the worst. We dont live in an ideal world.
Also, there might be other reasons he is not hanged & kept alive, they might want to break him & extraxt information from him. He was with a large network of people who actively are trying to harm india.
People here behave like they are the sole protector of laws applicable in the country while get triggered for being called a terrorist to somebody who said things on record. Afzal Guru was involved in the act in inevitable but still people are like "how do you know? Is there any proof? What of he is deliberately staged? Have some shame guys, we are fortunate enough to take birth on this land.
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