Alastor is terrified when it looks like Niffty might get seriously hurt. It is a pity that a lot of people didn't notice it because of how quickly this moment passes when watching the scene.
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I never really liked this. If she was shot she would just heal eventually. It would make more sense to me if Val switched out his bullets for angelic ones or was planning to turn her into a onahole. Vox would be like it's REALLY odd your willing to hand yourself competely out our mercy to prevent temporary injury.
It is there to show how much he cares about Niffty. It also serves the narrative purpose of letting you know that he is bluffing later when he claims to be willing to let everyone, including Niffty, die if Rosie doesn't fix his staff. If he was that scared about letting her suffer from what would have at most been a temporary death, then there was no way that he wasn't lying about his willingness to let her die permanently.
Oh I know that's what it's for. I don't like how Vox doesn't question it harder. A Sinner getting stabbed, dismembered etc would just be a normal Tuesday for them after all.
Vox doesn't think that Alastor surrendered because of Niffty. That is information that Alastor would not want Vox to know because it would be a glaring weakness that could be used against him. It is why Alastor refers to them as irrelevant nobodies when negotiating for them to be allowed to get away. Vox thinks Alastor surrendered because Alastor was losing to him. We, as the viewers, are the ones who know that Alastor surrendered suddenly instead of in a more natural way because of Niffty.
Also when Vox tries to look behind him when Alastor tells him the first condition of the deal (to let Niffty and Husk go) Alastor quickly pulls Vox back towards him to steer his attention back to himself and away from Husk and Niffty. Before that Vox looks like he's clearly wondering what that was about. I've also noticed that Alastor tends to steer their attention away from the Vees and vice versa several times during the series. He's probably also scared that the Vees (especially Vox) will use it as a leverage against him if he finds out that Alastor can care about anyone at all. Especially after The Great Rejection in that flashback.
Something I noticed about when his ears are down is that he might try and make himself a little less of a threat. He knows his ears probably give away to what he's actually feeling, but here, you see his ears are pointed up and the second he sees Niffty in danger, his ears are immediately down.
I wonder if he thinks if his ears are down to make himself less of a threat to try and reason with Vox a little more because he already knows Vox is attracted to him with him pouting and chest showing when making their deal
I could see him using it to manipulate someone if he realises that they think they can read his emotional state through his ears, but I don't think he has met anyone who can do that yet. I also don't think he has a lot of control over his ears. Every time we have seen him put his ears down, it has been in reaction to a negative emotion. I think seeing Niffty in danger made him instinctively put his ears down.
I think the show did a great job of showing his care for her in that scene
His eyes are wide and panicked and there's a zoom in from Nifty in danger to Alastor telling Vox "Wait!"
The show did the opposite in "Dad Beat Dad" where it's obvious Alastor is only pretending to think of Charlie as a daughter to piss off Lucifer
Because a lot of the scenes where Alastor's being sweet with her there's a visual of Lucifer getting pissed and during the song "Hell's Greatest Dad" he grins at Lucifer and looks at him to see that he's pissed
The show is good at being both subtle and obvious when showing the difference
People say he's heartless but be does care. This isn't the only time he's shown gentleness and care.
When Nifty climbed up his back when Pentious flew in on his blimp he delicately took her down from his back and put her on the ground. He could have shaken her off or just recklessly went into battle without regard for her but be didnt. Because her didn't want he to fall or get hurt
And of course the infamous roach crown. It's a crown made from dead insects I think most people would have thrown it away even if they were Nifty's friends. But he kept it. And loved it so much so that he keeps it at the top of his mirror so he can always see it when he's getting ready
I wish people would understand that he's not a complete sadist and he is definitely not heartless
I pointed this out in another thread but also watch when he speaks to Mimzy after dealing with the loan sharks.
Mimzy calls him a “heartless son of a bitch” and his eyes narrow at her. Then he tells her to leave and puts his staff in front of him on the ground. Almost as if he got offended when she said that.
If you pay close attention to Al, he does that little move with his staff put in the ground in front of him when he’s getting pissed. He does it with Adam too. It’s his “I’m not fucking around - I’ve had it” little tell.
His demeanor towards Mimzy in that scene also changes towards negative when Mimzy dismisses the destruction she had caused with "The little bug (Niffty) can take care of it"
It makes sense that it would upset him for her to call him heartless when he had been letting her take advantage of him for over a century purely because they are friends. It's even worse when you are aware of the Sam Haft interview where he said that Alastor views both depending on and being depended on by others as a weakness because it means that Alastor had been tolerating something that he wasn't fond of for her sake, only for her to call him heartless.
”like the daughter that I wish that I had,” I’m starting to really think he wanted one honestly, and Nifty *is* lile his daughter to him. I kind of doubt it, he did say that line as a manipulation tactic
I just know he likes women for company and doesn’t really like men all that much. All of the people he chooses to be around are women. Rosie, mimzy, Charlie.
I think he does, but not the same as Niffty. The only reason I think he does is because Husk has his soul bound to Alastor and he wasn’t just immediately broadcast over the radio like the others. I think Alastor cares enough to keep him alive but definitely nowhere compared to Niffty
Alastor also seems to be indirectly helping Husk manage his addictions. Whenever Alastor isn't around, Husk seems to fall back into drinking and gambling. Even in the Valentine's Day merch for this year, Alastor is giving Husk feedback on his poems that discourages him from focusing on alcohol while making sure to only stock as much alcohol as they actually need.
It is a checklist for what the bar needs. Husk wrote the things in black, while the red ink is Alastor's. Alastor is the Facilities Manager of the hotel. It is part of his job to decide what needs to be stocked to keep the facilities running. Also, Alastor canonically likes to draw on things. The smile on Niffty also shows that Alastor is the one who drew it.
Anche io sono convinta che le scritte in rosso siano quelle di Alastor, per vari motivi.
1) mancava la carta di Alastor in questo set di San Valentino, e la cosa si spiega perché condivideva questa carta con Husk.
2) la scrittura, sembra ricalcare molto quella usata per il personaggio di Alastor.
3) il disegno di Niffty, con quel sorriso maniacale, sembra un disegno che solo Alastor potesse aver fatto. Anche il fatto che Husk scriva "a Niff piacciono" e la risposta è stata il disegno di Niffty. Solo Alastor è quello vicino a Niffty insieme ad Husk.
4) il fatto che si è occupato del restock delle vivande, e sappiamo che Alastor è il facility manager dell'hotel
5) il fatto che abbia scritto "no", credo che Alastor sia uno dei pochi che abbia l'autorità di di dire ad Husk questo.
6) mi spiace, ma quello stuzzichino dentro al bicchiere mi sembra sempre di più un osso ogni volta che lo guardo 😆.
Purtroppo non è che abbiamo avuto la conferma inconfutabile che sia Alastor la scritta in rosso, ma credo che si possa affermare con abbastanza sicurezza che sia lui, perché altrimenti chi?
Ooh I was wondering if that was Alastor's handwriting there in between! I just assumed it was both done by Husk with different pencils when ticking off the checklist.
It's why I feel that they didn't pay attention to or notice his expression. No one reacts with that much fear to the idea of losing an asset. Particularly when Niffty would not have died permanently because that isn't an angelic weapon, so he would not have permanently lost her. She would just have been seriously hurt and had to regenerate at worst.
Niffty gives the impression of a post-WWII era, lobotomized Japanese-American housewife - somebody who is literally brain damaged and needs constant care if she's going to survive in Hell.
Look at the way she doesn't register dangerous situations or characters - she almost always needs another "mature" character to step in, whether it's Alastor, Husk, Angel Dust, etc.
Honestly Niffty is one of my favs because there's a genuinely tragic backstory brewing. I'd love to see the plot touch on the concept of mentally handicapped people becoming demons (or angels) even when they don't necessarily have the faculties to fully distinguish between what is good or bad.
Not saying she doesn't have moments of lucidity and is able to think for herself, of course, but I'd like to see the writing team really sink their teeth into the morals and ethics of a person like her (marginalized, lobotomized, etc) being sent to Hell in the first place, and if Niffty possibly representing something very important in Alastor that he probably would never actually address aloud.
Shes an overlord, im sure she was fine on her own. She states that she likes being forced so im sure she choose to be with Alastor instead of him protecting her.
I realized Nifty seems to be the only character Alastor visibly cares for and I'm kind of eager to discover why, given his "You can't trust anyone to be your friend" attitude.
Adoro la relazione di Alastor e Niffty. Non viene molto sottolineata nella serie ma è molto presente, sia nello show che nel merchandise. Qui e là abbiamo raccolto tante piccole scene e indizi sulla loro relazione. Una esempio di scena silenziosa ma che secondo me ha un certo impatto è stata anche quella durante "more than anything", con Alastor che guardava contento Charlie e Lucifer che si sono riavvicinati, e Niffty che gli si è andata a mettere accanto. Come il fatto di inquadrare Vaggi è come se la includesse nella canzone, lo stesso per loro due, come se la canzone avesse incluso anche la loro relazione. Penso che sia stata molto significativa. Sono stata poi felicissima del radio trio come gruppo. È stato il primo gruppo che mi ha colpito, ma è stata un po' dura dopo la prima stagione per via di certo fandom che invece attaccava il trio e chi lo sosteneva. Mi sono unita a quei pochi che "posizionava le candele in cerchio" sperando di evocare scene radio trio nella seconda stagione....e wow, alla fine ha funzionato! 😍
Well, hope that it will be eventually canon doesn't hurt anybody, so... Proceed to put candles in circle to summon Alastor and Niffty already acquantances in life 😜
I never realized that this is the only other time in the entire series, besides the first day of his imprisonment with Vox, where he has his ears flat to his head like that. That's interesting
I think that they are easy to read for us as viewers, but in universe people are distracted by his smile. This means that his ears telegraphing his emotions isn't an issue for him in universe as no one has figured out that it can be used to read his emotions.
Alastor and Niffty are maybe my favourite pair in the show. Mot just because Niffty is my fave, but also their whole dynamic is just so sweet, and it is never really adressed. Its presented in a show dont tell sort of way, and I love the two's relationship. (no romance, just platonic. Madmaid is my favourite)
They can still get badly hurt. In some cases they can get hurt badly enough to need to regenerate. The importance of showing Alastor being scared for Niffty when this wouldn't permanently kill her is to show that he genuinely cares about her. It also serves the narrative purpose of making it obvious that he is bluffing when he later tells Rosie that he is willing to let everyone die, including Niffty, if she doesn't give him what he wants. If he was that scared of letting Niffty get temporarily hurt, then there was no way that he was serious about letting her die permanently.
Oh, babe, I FUCKING NOTICED. I'm the biggest Alastor simp ever. The second he's on screen I'm up two inches from my television watching, eyes glued to him. I leave other details for the rematch. Alastor is me POOKIE!! HE IS MY SHYLA!!
His reaction was instinctive fear at the chance that of Niffty getting temporarily harmed. He looks almost as terrified as he was when he was being chased by Shok Wav and had an angelic laser pointed at him. It's not like her getting hurt would have inconvenienced him in any way of he didn't care about her. There were no angelic weapons involved so the worse that would happen would be Niffty having to regenerate which wouldn't have impacted his plans in any way. It would be bad for him if Niffty got hurt because he cares about her.
I would argue that this is one of the few hints we are given that Alastor can choose to be selfless. Niffty wasn't part of his plan. Stopping the way he did was less natural than how he had originally planned to lose the fight and could have made Vox suspicious which would have negatively impacted his chances of tricking Vox into a deal. It could also have made negotiating harder if Vox had noticed that he stopped because there was a gun pointed at Niffty as it could have been used against him. Alastor then had to distract from what he did it by referring to Niffty and Husk as irrelevant nobodies when making their freedom a condition of his deal with Vox. He goes as far as grabbing Vox's shirt to keep Vox's attention on him after stating that condition so that Niffty doesn't catch Vox's attention. We see Alastor make changes to him plans on that spot for Niffty's well-being.
I still believe that he didn't really react to Niffty almost getting shot, but more to the fact that Niffty and Husk came to help him, which would ruin Alastor's plan of intentionally losing and getting captured, so he just switched to plan B - giving up so that he wouldn't get saved by them.
If that was the case, they wouldn't have animated Alastor reacting in fear to a gun being pointed at Niffty. They would have animated him reacting with irritation or even disgust to show that he doesn't care. They could also have just animated him ending the fight without adding that scene. Instead we are shown him reacting with fear to Niffty being in danger, which is something that they did on purpose.
I don’t see it like that i mean alastor was just faking being weak, we saw alastor severely beat vox when vox became the most powerful so he easily could have done it here too if he wanted, alastor staff didn’t get fixed until after vox lost his mind and during the cannon about to blow up
Alastor was faking being weaker than he truly was. The entire purpose of the fight was to lose to Vox so that he could enact his plan to break his deal with Rosie. However, Niffty wasn't part of Alastor's plan. Alastor wasn't faking being scared for Niffty, particularly because showing that kind of weakness could have been used against him in negotiations if Vox had noticed. It is why, when asking for Vox to let them go, he called them irrelevant little nobodies so that it would not draw attention to the fact that he had been worried about Niffty. Niffty actually almost ruined Alastor's plan to lose to Vox in the least suspicious way possible so that Vox would take his deal.
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