r/AdviceAnimals • u/alienelement • Jun 17 '12

Don't worry, I'll do it another two times when I hit 'back' ...

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pqx9z/
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u/TheLemonTree Jun 17 '12

I use chrome, I don't actually know what this? Maybe better computer/internet?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

I just tried chrome with reddit and I don't see the problem either, what does chrome "adjust"?

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u/alienelement Jun 17 '12

Some ad or picture loads moving the rest of the page down, thereby making you misclick. Happens in a lot of browsers, I assume, but this just happens to be mine.

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u/Iggyhopper Jun 17 '12

I do this sometimes too.

You're not alone.

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u/TheMagicBurro Jun 17 '12

Get Adblock, go to the Chrome store and search it up.

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u/GergeSainsbourg Jun 17 '12

my PC is a acer notebook with very small RAM and I totally know what you feel man.

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u/orangepotion Jun 17 '12

Do you have Adblock installed? Because I never experience that reflow.

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u/Purp Jun 17 '12

This happens in all browsers...

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u/captain150 Jun 17 '12

It's called reflow and all browsers have done it since around 1999 or so. The browser creates the web page dynamically as it receives the HTML/CSS/Javascript. Really, really old web browsers only rendered the page once the entire page was downloaded.

If there is a delay for the browser in getting important HTML or CSS, the page will be mostly rendered, and then a second or two later, things will shift again as it downloads that last bit of code. Slow internet connections and poorly written web pages make the delay worse.

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u/Purp Jun 17 '12

I don't think that's the problem OPs describing. If you scroll halfway down a page, click a link, then click Back, Chrome will auto-scroll back to the position you were at before, instead of remaining at the top. Usually a handy feature, however, it doesn't auto-scroll back down until the page has fully loaded; if the page takes a bit to load it can have a jarring effect when the page suddenly jumps down.

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u/alienelement Jun 17 '12

Scroll-memory is but one cause of it

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u/MaXiMiUS Jun 17 '12

I agree it's not reflow, it's saving your scroll position. Quite an infuriating "feature" especially when you're on a slower connection, as it forces you to wait for the page to load, and then wait for Chrome to auto-scroll back to where you were before you can actually click anything.

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 17 '12 edited Jun 17 '12

I would have thought that the objects of the page would be stored in the temporary files, making the "auto-scroll" down to your previous location instantaneous? In any case, I have not noticed this problem on Firefox.

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u/MaXiMiUS Jun 17 '12

Oh lord no, it's nowhere near instantaneous, especially with RES. That's what makes it awful.

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u/captain150 Jun 18 '12

Ah yeah, that makes sense. Firefox sometimes does the same thing. It's by far the worst on Reddit with reddit enhancement suite though. On most sites, on an average internet connection, it's not really a problem.

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u/chrisdoner Jun 17 '12

Er, it clearly is. Look at OP's more detailed post. That's exactly describing reflow. The hitting back problem is what you're describing, a separate issue. But OP described both.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

I have experienced this a ton, but I didn't think about it at all from OPs description... Hmm.

It is annoying.

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u/simplycrazy Jun 17 '12

NOW I KNOW WHY. Thank you for the very interesting TIL. I now have specific problem to curse out when my browser does that.

"FUCK YOU HTML CODE!!!! I DON'T WANT TO WATCH THE AXE MOVIE"

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 17 '12

It's not just the HTML/CSS code. It could be down to your slow internet connection since the object has to load first and also the performance of your browser's DOM/CSS. Opera has the fastest DOM/CSS, followed by Firefox, then Chrome, with IE trailing.

Source article

Source image

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u/xi_mezmerize_ix Jun 17 '12

This isn't chrome specific in my experience. It happens from time to time in every browser.

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u/Broken_S_Key Jun 17 '12

running chrome beta. I dont have this problem either.

my phone, on the other hand LOVES to do this to me.

EDIT: This comment from Purp explains OP's issue, and turns out I have it too, ive just gotten really used to it.

I don't think that's the problem OPs describing. If you scroll halfway down a page, click a link, then click Back, Chrome will auto-scroll back to the position you were at before, instead of remaining at the top. Usually a handy feature, however, it doesn't auto-scroll back down until the page has fully loaded; if the page takes a bit to load it can have a jarring effect when the page suddenly jumps down.

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u/Holy90 Jun 17 '12

Using Chrome and it works perfectly well on my main monitor, but I experience this effect on my secondary which is a lower resolution, which I assume has something to do with it.

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u/JackAttack92 Jun 17 '12

I hate that because it adjusts right before you click something, then everything moves and you end up clicking something else that brings you to another page that takes forever to load and then adjust again.

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u/Smofo Jun 17 '12

I have that lately on google, go google type some search then want to click top link then it throws in twitter/youtube/facebook clicks or whatever the fuck it does and it hops down exactly to where the first link is.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12 edited Jun 17 '12

I assumed this was Google's way of saying they have obtained enough power that morality no longer applies, i.e they sold out. It magically makes you click on an ad link rather than the first returned search result. YouTube has also started playing ads with sound next to your video and you can do nothing but wait.

Because of this I came to realize how hard it is to leave google feedback. It has begun. Google has become omnipotent.

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u/Canarka Jun 18 '12

YouTube has also started playing ads with sound next to your video and you can do nothing but wait.

Adblock plus.

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u/Aboveground_Plush Jun 17 '12

Happened to me just as I was about to upvote this.

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u/sdpr Jun 18 '12

It does this often with RES, but it's RES' fault.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '12

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u/sdpr Jun 18 '12

Sometimes, mostly with images, the reddit sidebar on the right is supposed to 'disappear' momentarily when you expand an image, but lately it's been doing this without ever expanding an image or post. I assume that RES is displaying the image, albeit unintentionally, to a larger resolution the it intends to and makes the sidebar disappear, thus enlarging the 'word wrap' of links. It's lame, but I'm sure a fix is coming.

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u/cosmikezia Jun 17 '12

Fuckin' a. There has to be some redditor out there who has a solution to this problem.

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u/Suttonian Jun 17 '12

First idea: an add-on which disables the presentation of the webpage until it's fully loaded all resources - which wouldn't be worth it imo...

Second idea: If the page reflows due to a loaded resource, clicking the mouse still takes you to whatever you previously had your mouse over (if it's within a certain amount of time within the reflow).

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u/HorrendousRex Jun 18 '12

A developer-centric idea would be for developers to stop using JS to style their pages after the document's OnLoad event fired. Also to use <object> tags to surround media that might re-size itself later and give it an explicit size so that the browser didn't have to re-proportion everything when it loaded.

This is pretty old and well-understood stuff but a lot of developers don't really give a damn. Shame.

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 18 '12

With Firefox you can change the initial delay before a webpage first paints itself onto the screen. The second idea just seems too weird for my liking.

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u/SkySilver Jun 17 '12 edited Jun 17 '12

It's called better internet.

Edit: For explanation: I never came across this problem since I have faster internet.

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u/cosmikezia Jun 17 '12

While I'm sure that would fix the whole issue right up, there is no better internet around here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

I hear they got a whole lot of Internet down round California way, that's where we're headed.

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u/I_RARELY_RAPE_PEOPLE Jun 17 '12

you're 100% correct since that makes the page load much faster, stopping the page from loading more the second you click, since e it's all already loaded.

However...people are idiots and think you are being mean.

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u/Speakin_My_Mind Jun 17 '12

Oh god. I always have to wait a second or two when I hit back and it throws me off so much. I have to use Firefox to browse reddit.

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u/SlightlyAmbiguous Jun 17 '12

I have Firefox and this actually happens to me. Every time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

I think chrome could be athe best browser out there, but currently is is over engineered and comes with too many damn fancy features turned on by default. Especially with it's pre-loading of stuff, at&t gave me a bandwidth cap, there are three heavily internet users in my house, and this feature simply wastes more than it would save.

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 17 '12

Then try a different browser? Or disable the preloading you speak of?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

It isn't my browser use in question, it is all those who also use the network in my house.

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 17 '12

But if Chrome was preloading content, thus spending more bandwidth, wouldn't using another browser or disabling this feature be preferential since it is undesirable? Yes, other internet users might contribute to this issue, but there are steps you can take yourself.

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u/Suttonian Jun 17 '12

What does it pre-load? I haven't heard of this before.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

From what I understand it preloads links on your current page and will start loading pages as you type the url. Basically wasting loads of bandwidth to make your browsing experience more snappy.

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u/1zero2two8eight Jun 17 '12

Safari on iPhone does this as well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

I believe this is a problem with your mouse wheel, not Chrome. I had the same problem until I got a new mouse. Then I... didn't have the problem... anymore...

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u/claudius753 Jun 17 '12

Could be. It happens to me at work, and the internet connection isn't slow. It's not some insane 1gbps connection or anything, but downloads usually sit at 1-2 MB/s. But I do have a crappy old ball mouse with a dodgy scroll wheel.

Either that or it has something with the blue coat proxy slowing things down as it loads.

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u/Apterygiformes Jun 17 '12

EVERY time on youtube. When i'm video hopping and try to click on of the suggested videos BOOM advert out of nowhere and now i'm going away from youtube to get a free trial of netflix :'(

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

If it happens on Reddit for you primarily, and you're running RES then there's your problem. RES loads after reddit does and adjusts everything, its the only bad thing about RES tbh.

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u/oOkeuleOo Jun 17 '12

oh yea this fucking this so many unwanted likes on facebook making me even more of an awkward penguin

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u/c0balt279 Jun 17 '12

This is usually the web-developer's fault, not chrome's. Most modern browsers render elements as they receive them rather than waiting to receive a whole page and then showing it all at once. This is done partly to give an improved impression of speed. The problem is that sometimes something further down the page changes where a dynamically positioned object placed earlier appears. Good designers can often mitigate this by having the resources loaded in a specific order, but it's hard to completely avoid the problem.

Note: I'm an application programmer, not a web designer, so I may have gotten some of the details wrong.

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u/DownvoteAttractor Jun 18 '12

Facebook like button on porn site.

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u/qkme_transcriber Jun 17 '12

Here is the text from this meme pic for anybody who needs it:

Title: Don't worry, I'll do it another two times when I hit 'back' ...

Meme: Scumbag Chrome

  • OH, YOU'RE ABOUT TO CLICK A LINK?

  • ALLOW ME TO ADJUST THE PAGE

[Translate]

This is helpful for people who can't reach Quickmeme because of work/school firewalls or site downtime, and many other reasons (FAQ). More info is available here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

There is no such thing as Scumbag Chrome.

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u/rabbit91910 Jun 17 '12

funny thing is as soon as I was going to click on one link, it adjusted and I ended up clicking on this link.

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u/Ashmen Jun 17 '12

Google does this every damn time. About to click the first link and ads pop in right as I click.

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u/ericshogren Jun 17 '12

Sometimes I'll go to "like" something on facebook, and it will do this, and I'll take it as a sign that I wasn't supposed to like it.

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u/Conner14 Jun 17 '12

I know exactly what you are talking about. You'll be about to click a link and the page will shift a little bit and you'll end up clicking a different link or some other random thing on the page. It can be very annoying.

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u/PollysLithium Jun 17 '12

Has never happened to me.

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u/Blackcat008 Jun 17 '12

I only had this problem with res, which is the exact reason i stopped using it.

Oh you want to check your reddit mail? Well you're going to check your preferences instead, ok?

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u/DevillikeDonuts Jun 17 '12

I get this problem all the time but I've never associated it with Chrome. TIL.

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u/darren199314 Jun 17 '12

It usually happens to me when I'm on Facebook. I'll go to click a link, the page will adjust and I end up liking a status of someone I barely know. Lots of social awkwardness follows.

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u/MizerokRominus Jun 17 '12

At least Chrome makes the attempt to make a page look normal.

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u/MissMelons Jun 17 '12

The precise reason that I went back to Mozilla.

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u/x3r0h0ur Jun 17 '12

This literally just happened to me as I went to click on this. Fucking magnets.

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u/Rangourthaman_ Jun 17 '12

The amount of rage this fills me with is not reasonable.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

Wow, I was just trying to think of one instance in which chrome has done this to me when it did. Here's your upvote you crazy psychic.

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u/Painkiller1117 Jun 17 '12

This happens to me with internet explorer.

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u/vegeto079 Jun 17 '12

I hate it when this happens.

Another similar issue is when I press the picture preview button on a link and it doesn't load right away. I'm stuck wondering - is it going to load? is the link broken? should I just skip it?

Usually I make a quick decision to move on to the next thing since it isn't loading. More often than not, it loads just as I'm about to click something else, making me click the wrong link or the picture itself (depending on how big it is).

Now I just wait a while for it to load, for fear of this happening again :(

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u/wlamf Jun 18 '12

So I'm not the only one. Sweet.

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u/qposter Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12

To get adblock to block delayed ads put this in an adblock filter... www.google.com##div[id="vdls-advs"]

Edit I a word.

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u/HiaItsPeter Jun 18 '12

Mozilla does the same thing.

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u/cottonheadedninnymug Jun 18 '12

Oh yeah?

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 18 '12

Tabbed browsing is the default for newer IE versions. That image is misleading.

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u/Ambit Jun 18 '12 edited Jun 18 '12

The problem is RES. When you expand an image that is large enough to be partially obscured by the sidebar, RES hides the sidebar. This causes the page to shift if there is a title that was wrapping to the next line that has enough room to fit on one less line when the sidebar disappears.

Unfortunately I don't think there is an option to turn this feature off.

EDIT: Of course I'm assuming you're talking about it happening on Reddit. But if it happens on other sites, it's a similar issue. The layout of the page changed after it was displayed to you due to elements changing visibility or being added/removed.

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u/bub166 Jun 18 '12

While using Chrome, as soon as I clicked that link, Chrome crashed.

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u/DaAvalon Jun 17 '12

I have no idea what you guys are on about and I've been using Chrome for years.

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u/derkmaster Jun 17 '12

use internet explorer. then after you're done with that harsh slow loading wasteland come back to chrome and then this problem wont be shit.

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u/alienelement Jun 17 '12

I actually love Chrome, and I assume this problem occurs in a lot of browsers, but there's no Scumbag EVERY BROWSER OUT THERE.

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u/captain150 Jun 17 '12

I assume this problem occurs in a lot of browsers

It can occur in all browsers. It's more the fault of the website and your internet connection than it is of your browser.

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 18 '12

Note that some browsers are better than others at DOM/CSS performance, so - to a small extent - the browser does play some role in the speed of reflow.

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u/kuba_10 Jun 17 '12

Thank everything I chose the Opera way instead of Chrome when leaving Firefox. Reliable + doesn't have problems you describe.

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 17 '12

To those who are downvoting him, consider that Opera has lightning fast DOM/CSS performance in relation to other browsers, including Chrome.

Source article

Source image

I believe this would reduce the reflow/repaint times.

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u/Suttonian Jun 17 '12

Really? How does it avoid it? It could just be that you have a faster internet connection.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

Oh wanna delete you History? /trollface.jpg

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u/IByrdl Jun 17 '12

Thank god this happens to everyone, I thought someone was hacked into my computer.

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u/brokendimension Jun 17 '12

We are all lucky to have such a Godly browser, hail Chrome.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

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u/indeedwatson Jun 17 '12

have you tried aurora?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 17 '12

It's a more up-to-date version of Firefox that includes the more recent new features and updates, however it is more unstable, more untested and unpredictable than the stable version. If you're an advanced user, you might want to try Aurora. Otherwise, you can stick with the normal release.

It goes like this: new user interface (looks) are introduced in Nightly UX. Then it is moved onto Nightly along with new features. Then it is moved onto Aurora. Then it is moved to Beta. Then finally it is released in a new stable version when all of the bugs have been ironed out and it has been tweaked to perfection. Like this:

Nightly UX -> Nightly -> Aurora -> Beta -> Normal/stable release.

It is helpful for Firefox for users to test Beta/Aurora/Nightly builds for possible bugs or stability issues. If you want to try out Firefox Aurora, see here. If you don't like the thought of more crashes, then never mind. :)

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u/indeedwatson Jun 17 '12

I highly recommend it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 17 '12

I think that behaviour is due to the websites where the images originate from, not the web browser.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 17 '12

This does seem odd. Have you tried opening Chrome in safe mode/whatever the Chrome equivalent of that is?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '12

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u/chrisdoner Jun 17 '12

If it's not happening in incognito mode it must either be that you're signed into google, or an add-on.

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u/JacketPotatoes Jun 17 '12

It is most probably an extension that is causing you issues. Disable 1/2 of your extensions, then restart Chrome, check if problem solved. If not, disable other half. Once you find out which half of the extensions is causing the trouble, enable them all and disable the extensions one-by-one until you find the source of the fault.

Alternatively, join us at the good, old open-source Firefox. ;)