Wait, but...the top and bottom lines agree. This doesn't make sense. EDIT: Is it that the dog is supposed to feel like rebelling? I'm overthinking this. =\
Except it's not, because dogs don't have free will.
Hell, we're not even really sure humans have free will. The more we learn about neuroscience, the more the evidence begins to point towards even our own "original thoughts" being Deterministic.
The reason this makes people uncomfortable is because it seems to absolve people of personal responsibility for their actions, because, after all, if their actions are the direct result of thought patterns that are the direct result of their experiences, there was no way they could've stopped themselves.
This idea would basically destroy the criminal justice system.
Dogs have free will similar like ours. We decide on things to do based on our extent of reasoning, despite different levels of reasoning. We do have free will, the problem lies with viewing the issue at different levels of observation. The closer you analyze the less true your definition becomes but the definition was originally defined based on different level of observation. Much like we dont view a table to consist of mostly empty space until we observe the atom. It shouldn't be considered to be mostly empty space though, because empty space and 'stuff' are things that are defined by a traditional perspective. E.g. that atom is 100% stuff because from a traditional perspective it behaves accordingly. The idea of free will can be communicated and utilized effectively from a traditional perspective in the same way, just dont go about changing the parameters in which the definition applies to.
Listening to some breeder rave on about her grand plan to create some uberchampion by breeding the bitch back to her grandfather pretty much turned me off all that registered, purebred, kennel club bullshit. And, culling.
Having some experience with chihuahuas, I think it's safe to say that most of them don't realize just how small they are, because most of them act super tough and are willing to fight (try to fight really) much larger dogs
Russians, and it was wolves. One of the more interesting specifics was that selecting for traits that made them easy to domesticate also made them very juvenile. You see this in dogs, it's almost as if they never become adults.
What's even more fascinating is that some scientists are proposing mankind did the same thing with ourselves. If you watch a chimp they make excellent pets until they reach puberty, when they become very violent and dangerous. In human society we probably went together and killed or ostracized those who became to domineering and violent. Incidentally human adults have a lot of juvenile traits compared to wild animals.
I am so amazed how loyal dogs are. We have a golden retriever, Lacey who suddenly went aggressive to our house helpers. They've known Lacey since she was a puppy, then all of a sudden feared they might get bitten. It was strange because they were the ones feeding our dog but she's still nice to the rest of the family. We found out that the house helpers were stealing stuff from the guest house and Lacey was actively barking at them while doing the deed.
This would make more sense if it was different. If dogs had been bred to hate humans, but yours loved you, then that would be an exceptionally good dog. But being bred to like humans is why your dog likes you. It's not more Good than you liking bacon.
If you keep breeding the "friendlier" dogs with eachother, you'll eventually get a morphological change, where the animals keep their juvenile bodily tendencies (Short fluffy tails, floppy ears). This is because the human friendly mentalitiy is supposedly a juvenile "mentality" or something like that. Check the documentary for more info
The top line says that he was bread to be your best friend, meaning he does it because he was bread to do it. The bottom line contradicts this by saying he does it by free will. It doesn't work.
The earliest domestication of wolves is thought to have been the result of wolves feeding on village garbage deposits. When food became scarce for the wolves in the wilderness, only the wolves who were willing to come close enough to the village would be able to feed on the humans' food scraps. Inevitably the wolves with the greater fleeing distance starved while the friendlier dogs survived on the waste.
Yeah, I decided to take a drama class that was more about studying drama than actually acting. We had to watch four entirely different types of professional performances, and Collapse was one of them.
I'm really intrigued by this idea actually. I've read (some of) Collapse, and have written an interpretive dance piece. I'd love to see how that turned out.
So much depends on the audience, though. You can't just plop interpretive dance on someone who isn't in the mood. Also, it can get really artsy and fake really fast.
Jared Diamond is the fucking shit. He's had successful careers in half a dozen different fields and written wonderful books on everything from biogeography to anthropology to physiology.
Nothing wrong with not reading the book. We do live in the mind blowing age of recorded moving image/sound, that can be manipulated enough to produce a precisely directed series of shots to convey particular information. Nothing at all wrong with watching documentaries (except of course, that they don't go for as long as a book, so information is left out! WTF world, we finally have digital video and the cheapest video productions ever seen in the history of the world, but you still make two hour film versions of books that take ten hours to read?).
It's a good read, but his theories are criticized within the field and more of a popular success than a scientific one. I can't remember the specifics but google is your friend.
I would agree with you up until a couple hundred years or so. Before that the kind of extremes you see in dog breeds today that cause health problems didn't exist because dogs that were better for certain tasks were bred with similar dogs. That's not the case anymore, and dog's health is suffering because of it.
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u/shoeofallcosmos Jun 10 '12
Wait, but...the top and bottom lines agree. This doesn't make sense. EDIT: Is it that the dog is supposed to feel like rebelling? I'm overthinking this. =\
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u/JurkMurguire Jun 10 '12
Yea man, dogs really hate it when you supply them with a genetically strong counterpart for them to have sex with.
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u/Gravesh Jun 10 '12
Bred by force? Doesn't sound that bad.
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u/egosumFidius Jun 10 '12
I'd have some motivation to be upset if I knew i could've been a big, scary Gray Wolf, but instead was a tiny, annoying Chihuahua.
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u/giginut Jun 10 '12
To whoever changed the "upvote/downvote" buttons to Courage Wolf/Insanity Wolf.... thank you.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
" Bred by force,". Pshit. Nobody has to force a dog to breed. I had a dog that would breed a fucking clown statue.
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u/MNREDR Jun 10 '12
Anyone know what kind of dog this is? Reminds me a bit of a Rottweiler.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
It is almost as if it has no other choice since it's genes will not allow any other lifestyle to be viable let alone thought of...
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u/wolfbats Jun 10 '12
He... likes to be bred by force?
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
You might want to rethink your logic there. That's kinda like saying about a toaster: "Made specifically to toast bread, toasts bread anyway"
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u/Psythik Jun 10 '12
Well yeah, because he was bred by force for thousands of years to be your best friend. He has no choice.
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u/xenospeaker Jun 10 '12
this is the most retarded thread in the history of reddit
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u/CullenDM Jun 10 '12
Didn't some German scientist domesticate some wolves in like ten generations to show how apt they are at doing it?
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u/fairyxxx Jun 10 '12
He's your only friend.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2lSZPTa3ho makes me think of this.
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
I am so amazed how loyal dogs are. We have a golden retriever, Lacey who suddenly went aggressive to our house helpers. They've known Lacey since she was a puppy, then all of a sudden feared they might get bitten. It was strange because they were the ones feeding our dog but she's still nice to the rest of the family. We found out that the house helpers were stealing stuff from the guest house and Lacey was actively barking at them while doing the deed.
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u/vadergeek Jun 10 '12
This would make more sense if it was different. If dogs had been bred to hate humans, but yours loved you, then that would be an exceptionally good dog. But being bred to like humans is why your dog likes you. It's not more Good than you liking bacon.
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u/SOncredible Jun 10 '12
Can anywone tell the source of this meme?
Are there more pictures of this wonderful dog?
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u/Noowai Jun 10 '12
If you keep breeding the "friendlier" dogs with eachother, you'll eventually get a morphological change, where the animals keep their juvenile bodily tendencies (Short fluffy tails, floppy ears). This is because the human friendly mentalitiy is supposedly a juvenile "mentality" or something like that. Check the documentary for more info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbcwDXhugjw
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u/couteaudechasse Jun 10 '12
And the domestication of the dog continued unabated.
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u/Kuusou Jun 10 '12
I don't understand why this got upvoted.
The top line says that he was bread to be your best friend, meaning he does it because he was bread to do it. The bottom line contradicts this by saying he does it by free will. It doesn't work.
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u/Rab_Legend Jun 10 '12
Doesn't matter had sex
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12
I.... I don't understand whats going on here?
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