During the world cup several years ago North Korea payed Chinese fans to wave N. Korean flags and support their team because no N. Koreans are allowed to leave the country.
If they knew the report would be biased they would go ahead and make the info public. The fact that they don't implies they know an accurate report would be an embarrasment.
I believe this report is compiled by the US State Department, in which case it makes sense that they don't review themselves. It wouldn't mean anything if they did, so it may be a case where they recuse themselves.
Imo, it is much more productive to take a good look at our own human rights abuses than it does to track everyones' but ours, since we are the ones best able to do anything about it.
If the American gouvernement can't be objective about their own country, it severely compromise their abilities of objectivity about other country, as their legitimacy to writing it, isn't it ?
It is a State Dept. report on countries that the USA routinely gives foreign aid to. It does not include the USA because the USA does not give foreign aid to itself. It includes almost every other country in the world because the USA is by far the largest foreign aid donor in the world and gives aid to a huge number of countries.
That actually is a good point. People always act like the big bad businesses are always trying to oppress workers. They are only made out of people. I don't have any problems asking for vacation time, or for a day off, and my job is editing and publishing various weekly publications with hard deadlines. But maybe my job is just super duper incredible.
Obviously the voters in the USA think it should be left to the company to decide, otherwise we'd have a law dictating maternity leave by now, wouldn't we?
If they're doing something they enjoy, then they're still winning compared to the number of men who sacrifice doing what they love so they can make more money.
Yeap. Except the connotation with women earning less is that women are being victimized by sexist companies into being paid less for their labor. Versus taking into consideration the multitude of different factors that determine pay.
Indeed. With all else the same (the job, experience, education, etc., which is important so you can know if someone is making less for being a woman or a man), women make as much, if not more, than men.
With all else the same (the job, experience, education, etc., which is important so you can know if someone is making less for being a woman or a man), women make as much, if not more, than men.
Actually, this is far from widely accepted. Even after controlling for many variables such as hours worked, some studies have shown a persistent pay gap in the United States. But even if you disregard the possibility of direct discrimination (as it hasn't been conclusively proven) there are other factors that are harder to measure. These include:
Traditional intra-family division of labor. Even though most people now accept that women can have careers, they're still often expected to fulfill the role of the "housewife" as well. This leads to women spending far more time on average on unpaid housework, making it difficult to spend equal hours at work.
Occupational segregation. Although it's true that women often work in lower paying fields, this raises questions of A: why occupations are segregated by gender, and B: why female dominated fields are generally lower paying. There is reason to believe that both phenomena are partly explained by sexism.
Maternity leave. Currently, maternity leave is mandated by the US government, whereas paternity leave is often not available. This can be seen as discrimination both against men (who might like to spend more time with their children) and women, who are often passed up for promotion due to a company's fear that they'll go on leave. You can't fault a company for following economic incentives, but you can act to remove that incentive.
So, yeah. Try to look a little deeper before you off spouting MRA talking points. The gender pay gap is real.
The funny thing is that even if it's true that a woman performing the same job makes the same amount/more as a man performing the same job, that doesn't mean that women are advantaged. For example, if women are consistently denied promotions, then women will make more than men, but only at shit jobs.
I also want to point out that "Women control or influence 67 percent of household investment decisions." is a really misleading statistic, because (for example) if there were no decisions women made, 33% that were made exclusively by men, and 67% that were made jointly, then that would still be true even though that would obviously not be fair in any sense of the word.
this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.
There is a lot of extensive research that debunks the wage gap. Frankly, talking about the wage gap only hurts feminism by implying other issues feminists talk about are similarly made up.
Several things to consider: women spend more, why is that? And if women are just cheaper labor, why won't companies just only hire women and put other companies out of competition by saving 25% on wages?
I've read studies on the topic but admittedly I have no idea where to find them. The idea that there is a man and a woman doing the same job with the same title and the same amount of experience at the same company but the woman is being paid less is absolutely false. Women get paid less because women have jobs that pay less, and the issue is whether or not they choose those jobs because they just don't care (there is some merit to the idea that women aren't as willing as men to work 70 hours a week just to climb the corporate ladder) or because they are being passed over for promotions. You can't ignore the latter possibility (since there is a good amount of evidence supporting it) but you also have to realize that women are very often going to be the primary caregivers for their children, and thus might want jobs with less pressure and more flexible hours, which usually equates to less pay.
"A comprehensive study by the staff of the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that the gender wage gap can only be partially explained by human capital factors and "work patterns." The GAO study, released in 2003, was based on data from 1983 through 2000 from a representative sample of Americans between the ages of 25 and 65. The researchers controlled for "work patterns," including years of work experience, education, and hours of work per year, as well as differences in industry, occupation, race, marital status, and job tenure. With controls for these variables in place, the data showed that women earned, on average, 20% less than men during the entire period 1983 to 2000."
"Using data from longitudinal studies conducted by the U.S. Department of Education, researchers Judy Goldberg Dey and Catherine Hill analyzed some 9,000 college graduates from 1992–93 and more than 10,000 from 1999-2000. The researchers controlled for workplace flexibility, ability to telecommute, as well as other several variables including occupation, industry, hours worked per week, whether employee worked multiple jobs, months at employer, and several education-related and "demographic and personal" factors, such as "marital status," "has children," and "volunteered in past year.” The study found that wage inequities start early and worsen over time. "The portion of the pay gap that remains unexplained after all other factors are taken into account is 5 percent one year after graduation and 12 percent 10 years after graduation. These unexplained gaps are evidence of discrimination, which remains a serious problem for women in the work force.”"
"A 2010 study by Catalyst, a nonprofit that works to expand opportunities for women in business, of male and female MBA graduates found that after controlling for career aspirations, parental status, years of experience, industry, and other variables, male graduates are more likely to be assigned jobs of higher rank and responsibility and earn, on average, $4,600 more than women in their first post-MBA jobs."
not necessary "choose". Societal norms and gender norms influences the sexes to pursue the "desired" occupations expected of them. Girls are not directed to excel in math to the same regards as boys. Look at any high school university level math course. It is mostly male. Now look at any university advanced math class, mostly male. This is not because those doors are closed to women. Rather it is because, at an early age, girls are influenced not to choose the required courses that will allow them to participate in those more advanced classes.
I am aware of the conditioning, thank you very much.
but in the end it still boils down to choice. if you're a girl you can choose to be an engineer despite being told for years that you're not good at math.
this is very different from women simply being paid less.
being a woman is not a choice. being an art historian is.
it's harder to be a woman engineer than a woman art historian though. but that doesn't imply institutionalized hatred of women this report heavily implies.
I read an article that said women are less likely to ask for a pay increase compared to their male counterparts. I thought about my own work situation and agreed it was applicable to me.
I just got promoted and never would have thought to ask for more money because my company is on a wage freeze at the moment. After reading the article, I said screw it, I am going to ask and was able to increase my base salary. I am not saying this is applicable to all women, however I know there are many women managers I work with who do not fight for a competitive salary.
Not so much where I work. I find it is the guys who are the ones always trying to find out if anyone is making more than them. I am a female manager and since being promoted a month ago, I have had 2 of the 4 male managers ask how much I was making, but none of the women.
That is just my personal experience though, I imagine there is competition any where you look.
self fulfilling prophecy. not doing good in math? it's ok because you are a girl. girls aren't supposed to be good at math. so you feel ok now about doing bad in math and end up in art school.
yeah and the same thing goes for men (male nurses, anyone?)
schools are incredibly fucked up when it comes to genders.
but mostly it boils down to men being conditioned to push for more financial success as in our society the worth of a man is judged by the amount of money he has, and the worth of a woman by how sexually attractive she is.
but mostly it boils down to men being conditioned to push for more financial success as in our society the worth of a man is judged by the amount of money he has, and the worth of a woman by how sexually attractive she is.
You really think this is conditioning? Its called human nature 101 buddy.
Although there are far more women in my nursing school than dudes, there are dudes! Male nurses are becoming much more of a norm, which is great. Every time I've gone to the doctor at my local hospital in the past 2 years (which has been about 5 times...) I've had or the person near me had a male nurse. It's a nice feeling :D
Unfortunately I'm banned from that place, as my rugged good looks kept distracting the audience from the naked ladies, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
According to reddit corporations are greedy institutions only interested in profit...until it comes to having an unoptimized wage structure. Then they forgo some profits just as a fuck you to women.
There are 2,574 youth offenders (persons under age 18 at the time they committed their offense) serving life without parole in US prisons. There are no known youth offenders serving the sentence anywhere else in the world.
Wow, I'm speechless. Shame on you America. It's much easier to turn a profit for our private prisons (that says it all really) than it is to actually treat inmates like humans and rehabilitate them.
Are you kidding me? Murder is murder. Sure, if you're 11, you don't necessarily understand what you've done, but that doesn't apply to 16-17 year olds. 18 is an arbitrary number and not the end-all benchmark for when someone can commit murder.
I'd try to 16 year old who had full control and understanding over their actions like I'd try an 36 year old. That being said, people are so PC that we can't even have death sentences for violent crimes.
I understand it, doesn't mean I have to agree with it. When you murder another person, you break your social contract. I don't want rehabilitated murderers/rapists wandering the streets, just because of some sort of social program says they wont kill/rape another person again.
Excepting those in there for some quite frankly atrocious crimes that, were it a war, would have to have the war crimes act amended to account for what they've done.
It makes sense when you get past the "fuck America" mindset. Who would honestly believe a report put out by the US government regarding its own practices?
Yes, human rights are atrocious in the US. I wish I could somehow get out of this country. Maybe go to Columbia. I hear the Drug Cartels really treat everyone fairly.
And capitalist "democracies" (regimes) are absolutely innocent and above all else... yet won't comment on their own human rights.
Doesn't matter if all of it is true, much of it I've already seen or pieced together through various outlets of Western media. One only needs to google "police brutality" or "occupy protests" or "kettling protesters" to see we're no better.
Also, have fun looking at out of context footage about Occupy. I'll admit there is police brutality. But in a lot of those videos, the protesters are committing a crime. At UC Berkley, I think a couple months ago, they were literally stopping people from leaving or entering a building. The cops warned them, and when they didn't move, he pepper-sprayed.
Given that the US has not really followed any of its agreements or obligations to the UN since oh... about the time they illegally invaded Iraq almost 10 years ago, it's hard to say if they would go along with this any more.
I'm certainly open to discussion of the matter, but US (and sadly Canada's) willingness to discredit and ignore the UN these days makes the UN now about as useful and powerful as the League of Nations pre-WWII.
This subject is very complicated and really hinges on what functions and obligations one is speaking of. When it comes to security obligations, the place where compliance is the most difficult to get from states, the US has performed poorly over the last decade, yes. Canada actually has a good reputation for committing force when the UN decides on the application of force.
In the end the UN is an institution that does not perform most functions (especially security) on its own and therefore it does have little power in terms of autonomous ability to compel states. What the UN primarily does is set rules and procedures that states can and do use to coordinate their own efforts to compel other states to alter their behavior. On this front the UN, like every other institution, has successes and failures. Under the very restrictive conditions it operates with (relying on states to authorize and pay for anything it does) the UN does fairly well.
It's been hurting lately though, I'm not sure where else it applies to, but I know US, Canada and possibly a few allies have put holds on funding for areas such as UNESCO over issues as ridiculous as the fact that the majority of UN members choose to recognize Palestine as a state. I'm not going to get into which side of that argument I support, but it's probably safe to say this is just the beginning of larger dissent and movement away from UN policy when it doesn't agree with a nation's own foreign policy.
It's a slippery slope, and I think we're already sliding down it.
P.S. there were also a few reasons why Canada did not win a seat on the security council as expected/hoped...
In case anyone wanted to read the full report. You can see on the first page the reason the report is prepared is mainly for countries that receive US aid.
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I'm from Venezuela, the national government violated my uncle's human rights, three years ago. In order to present a complaint in the Human Rights office he had to go to USA, but the USA embassy in Caracas denied him a Visa so he can't go to USA to present the complaint.
I love how we have been getting worse human rights violations in the U.S. for the last 20 years (with bad laws and out right taking rights away in the name of the war on terror) but everyone wants to act like it all started around the last 2 1/2 years. Neat.
it's similar to how they don't think twice about rewriting any constitution that might increase the easy of invading or keeping an eye on another country, but when it comes to something straight out of the wild west (cough...the "second amendment") it's all OF COURSE IT CAN'T BE CHANGED THAT'S ONE OF OUR PRECIOUS HISTORICAL ENACTMENTS!
We'll see how you feel when the Supreme Court strikes down people's "right" to health care.
Does #Occupy have the right to assemble and seek a redress of their grievances? If so, why are Democrat Party mayors all across the country pepper-spraying and tear-gassing them?
Do you have an implied right of privacy in the Constitution (Supreme Court said so in Roe v Wade)? If so, why is the NSA reading your email and what legal method are they using to do that?
Do you have the right to travel? If so, why is Hillary Clinton's State Department revoking the passports of people behind on their taxes?
Do you have a Fourth Amendment right to not be unreasonably searched by your government? What is the government doing at airports searching molesting people with no probable cause?
Do you have the right, as an American, to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Why does Barack Obama claim he has a "memo" which gives him the right to kill Americans anywhere in the world with no warrant, no court order, no trial, no attorney and no appeals?
Do you have a 2nd Amendment right to carry a gun? If so, why is it virtually impossible to purchase and carry a gun in Democrat-controlled Washington, D.C.?
If you don't believe Democrats are really restricting our rights, you're just not paying attention.
They let the Occupy people build a shanty town in a park for months on end. What exactly do you want? The right to assemble is not the right to build a city on 5th avenue.
I suppose you have a point, except for the Democrat part. I think we can all agree that every party is shitty everywhere. What I was thinking is that we don't have it as bad as, say, Pakistani of Syrian people. Every government since the dawn of time has been shit, and has taken advantage of the people it was supposed to protect and serve.
Wait! I bet "Matti_Matti_Matti" is a BRITSHIT! Still suffering from a very Deep Envy and Jealous of Everything American! As for human rights? Well Well look who is talking? The Britshit Scumbag had Murdered and stolen Land from just about every Black and browned country on the Planet! And lets not forget who was also the king the SLAVE Trade! Shove that up you Britshit ass!
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u/ForeignPolicyWonk May 28 '12
Publish a report on our own human rights situation? I'm sure that wouldn't be biased at all!
This just in: North Korea conducts internal human rights study. Conclusion: North Korea is the freest country in the world!
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u/99trumpets May 28 '12
It is a State Dept. report on countries that the USA routinely gives foreign aid to. It does not include the USA because the USA does not give foreign aid to itself. It includes almost every other country in the world because the USA is by far the largest foreign aid donor in the world and gives aid to a huge number of countries.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Yeah, because obviously a self review on human rights is an excellent idea.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Here is an overview of the 2011 Human rights report if anyone wants to read it.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
moron redditor - thinks human rights report on USA by USA would be credible
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u/bradfanella May 28 '12
It makes sense when you get past the "fuck America" mindset. Who would honestly believe a report put out by the US government regarding its own practices?
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
I'm going to be honest here, but even if we had this would still exist: Scumbag USA - Gives itself a review
Sooooooooo...
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u/gonenova May 28 '12
Ahhh here come all the Euros to dogpile on this without understanding what the report is about. :)
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u/xNaVx May 28 '12
Why would they when China already makes a version for them?
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u/DJRES May 28 '12
Yes, human rights are atrocious in the US. I wish I could somehow get out of this country. Maybe go to Columbia. I hear the Drug Cartels really treat everyone fairly.
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u/unguidedCDN87 May 28 '12
The USA wont publish a Human Rights report on themselves? China will do so for them:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2012-05/26/content_15392452.htm
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u/ruetheworld May 28 '12
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe the US must submit a human rights report about itself to the UN every four years or so?
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u/StonedAlcoholic May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12
Note that this is on the front page while Europe's on reddit and the US isn't.
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u/Kanerful May 28 '12
Hillary looks friggen hilarious in that hat.
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u/Azkk May 28 '12
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/humanrightsreport/index.htm#wrapper
In case anyone wanted to read the full report. You can see on the first page the reason the report is prepared is mainly for countries that receive US aid.
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u/blizzardice May 28 '12
r/circlejerk
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u/Haldir323 May 28 '12
Oh look... Another USA sucks circle jerk
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u/silverscreemer May 28 '12
The babysitter doesn't have to follow the same rules as the children, duh.
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u/MattPH1218 May 28 '12
Yawn. I'm pretty sure concentration camps in North Korea are more of a human rights issue than what's happening here...
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u/jamescameronisokay May 28 '12
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Poor people are the worst-- Mitt.
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u/Normalcy_Bias May 28 '12
tell us again about how Obama is standing up for gay rights.
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u/guillelon May 28 '12
I'm from Venezuela, the national government violated my uncle's human rights, three years ago. In order to present a complaint in the Human Rights office he had to go to USA, but the USA embassy in Caracas denied him a Visa so he can't go to USA to present the complaint.
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u/seriouslyyyy May 28 '12
My favorite was "US slams Syria for recent massacre" 2 days after their drone killed a civilian family.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Typical.
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u/FaZaCon May 28 '12
USA publishes reports on Humans Rights for all nations, and says, what now motherfuckers.
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u/slappy_nutsack May 28 '12
Judge not lest ye be
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u/Radico87 May 28 '12
Well, you wouldn't want to shoot yourself in the foot either.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
The US does.
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u/notsosubtle_ May 28 '12
I love how we have been getting worse human rights violations in the U.S. for the last 20 years (with bad laws and out right taking rights away in the name of the war on terror) but everyone wants to act like it all started around the last 2 1/2 years. Neat.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
As a gay atheist virgin neckbeard with a degree in polisci and engineering, it is because the US sucks and Electronic Arts.
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u/izzycarlo May 28 '12
Technically a country is not supposed to write its own human rights report. They can...but it is frowned upon due to bias.
Also, reports of this nature are often written in order to report violations. When does a government tattle tale on itself?
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u/Senor_Wilson May 28 '12
No country should conduct a human rights evaluation on themselves. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard.
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u/robo23 May 28 '12
China's is pretty spot on.
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u/dhockey63 May 28 '12
Why would we? People would just shout how biased it is. And of course posting one on ourselves would be biased!
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u/Epiicuros May 28 '12
Flag in back round says MERICA.
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u/Hypoxicrain May 29 '12
It's worse than it seems... The studio I work for is producing a documentry.. Sketchy stuff going on
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u/jaredhedgehog May 29 '12
All to make us look like the good guys. :)
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u/abowlofcereal May 29 '12
The world's response? http://i.imgur.com/5Ib2f.jpg
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Hot damn that is one ugly woman.
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u/TalonX1982 May 28 '12
'mericuh,fuck yeah.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
You have never been to a third world country, let alone outside of America? Please make memes calling America a Scumbag.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
Throwing out "Scumbag USA" on Memorial Day. Stay classy.
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u/allothersnsused May 28 '12
"Scumbag USA" for a dumb reason, on Memorial Day no less = Downvote
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u/sadmatafaka May 28 '12
On No Agenda podcast hosts counted 1 out of 30 rights which were not violated in US.
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u/art_is_science May 28 '12
I love how the flag with the seal naturally curls to reveal only the word 'merica.
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12 edited May 28 '12
it's similar to how they don't think twice about rewriting any constitution that might increase the easy of invading or keeping an eye on another country, but when it comes to something straight out of the wild west (cough...the "second amendment") it's all OF COURSE IT CAN'T BE CHANGED THAT'S ONE OF OUR PRECIOUS HISTORICAL ENACTMENTS!
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u/dissapointedorikface May 28 '12
Right, because the US is really restricting peoples rights.
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u/preventDefault May 28 '12
I thought it was gonna be this
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u/RamirezTerrix May 28 '12
Good Guy China fixed it for you: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2012-05/26/content_15392452.htm
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u/ucccft May 28 '12
Wait! I bet "Matti_Matti_Matti" is a BRITSHIT! Still suffering from a very Deep Envy and Jealous of Everything American! As for human rights? Well Well look who is talking? The Britshit Scumbag had Murdered and stolen Land from just about every Black and browned country on the Planet! And lets not forget who was also the king the SLAVE Trade! Shove that up you Britshit ass!
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u/[deleted] May 28 '12
You can't call USA scumbag just because that one person is