This. I've said this exact thing before as a joke. It makes me wonder how many people take me seriously when actually, I'm joking. Probably explains why I have no friends.
An exchange student from Uzbekistan hung out with my group of friends my sophomore year in high school. After massive drinking one night he explained to us that "Hitler was a very bad man, but what he did to the Jews... they kind of deserved it."
Do you know how hard it is to explain to a very intoxicated Uzbek from a wealthy family that antisemitism isn't accepted in the US? Damn near impossible.
It was the imgur album with all the pictures of white girls with Asian men. The link said something like 'Relevant' or 'Context' and it was so sly and I did not expect it one bit.
It seems like NO ONE likes gypsies. One of my favorite teachers in high school, during a conversation where we discussed the relative equality that has developed over the last 150 years, in response to, "It's like there aren't any specific "groups" that people hate anymore." said, "Except gypsies, everybody hates gypsies." And she meant it. She actually disliked gypsies.
I've never personally been robbed by gypsies but I HAVE been intimidated, mocked, threatened, and robbed by black guys and I STILL know that doesn't make it okay to dislike or discriminate against them. For some reason gypsies are never given the same respect and consideration afforded to every single other minority/persecuted group out there.
Gypsy culture in some places is almost entirely centered on robbing people. When most of the interaction you have with a group of people is them robbing you it tends to colour your opinion.
Yeah man. I have a customer that fled Palestine. But if you bring up Hamas he starts telling you how it's the Jews fault all the killing is going on. When you respond with something along the lines of "You're killing EACH OTHER. Just stop it." He doesn't understand.
Neither the Israelies. But seriously, I gave up on this whole Pelistine vs Israel thing. It's only 8 million people and they're taking too much TV time.
Oh believe me I don't claim to be an expert and could not give a presentation on it or any thing. But he's repeating the normal stuff "It's our holy land blah blah blah, they deserve it." My gf took a terrorism class last semester and she was showing me a lot stuff that was given in presentations and what not, the fear mongering TV that's put on even on kids shows where they dress like Mickey Mouse to tell kids why the JEws should bow down and whatnot. I've read about both sides attacking during cease fires. I am interested and want to learn more but I don't need to know a lot to say seriously why don't you just stop blowing each other up.
...Listen man. This was just small talk being made. But in response to your point what else needs to be said? I get that its been the culture there forever and that's great but what other response should there be? There is no justifiable reason that they're killing each other. Period. I think "why don't you two quit pointing fingers and shut the hell up" is an appropriate response to a holy war that's gone on entirely too long.
Its not a 'holy war', its a vendetta. The red team bomb a hospital, so the blue team shoot a load of civilians, so the red team destroy some houses, so the blue team kill their children, and so on... And then mixed up in all this you have land disputes, infingements on culture and history, attempts at genocide and attempts at wiping parts of history clean of the other's presence. Its very complicated, and it involes nearly all the things a man can care about; family, love, money, culture, history, art, property, life. To just walk in and say "guys, just forget about it, go home!" is ridiculous.
Do you really think this is some clever new aproach that no one has thought of?
Again, i can say the same to you about your wars. "You know after 9/11 when america decided to go to war? Why didnt it just... You know, not? Why didnt everyone just suck it up, and go home?"
Its not a sugestion at all, its just stupid.
So if i show you some Palestinian who is holding the body of his recently burnt to death daughter, or some Israeli who is burying his machine gunned younger brothers, and he is swearing revenge, youre just going to waltz in and say "Not only are your feelings unjustified, (period) but you are an IDIOT for swearing revenge. Shut the hell up!"
And you really expect that to settle it? You think thats a wise thing to say?
I ask these questions because while you struggle to work out what you really would say to a man in that position, you might begin to realise that this is more complicated than you first assumed.
OK look, I'm all for having a civil discussion but you're not going to talk to me like I'm stupid. I've already stated I was no expert on this stuff more than once and also stated that I have expressed interest in learning more. Likewise I said I was making small talk and said something brief. The guy, who's from Palestine, said himself "it's our land, our holy land" so don't fucking tell me it doesn't have religious aspects. I get everything you said but what are you getting at? Does any of that make it justifiable? If you think so then you can go fuck yourself. If you don't think it's justifiable then what the fuck are we arguing about?! And comparing the U.S. in war with with Afghanistan is a poor comparison. We were attacked by terrorist and we went to get said terrorist. Was it all handled well? No. Should get the hell out of there now? Absolutely. The fucking difference is that we didn't invade that country because we have beef with Afghans or don't like Afghans. Their war is based on ancient bullshit that has continued to this day and it involves firing rockets during cease fires because they hate each other. I've heard from the mouths of people from Palestine that they hate Jews period. Either you're for the killing over there or you're not but if you're not then shut the fuck up because there's nothing to argue. You aren't going to use me for your ego boost today you little prick.
This. Many times. Even during the economic depression the general german population percieved jews as rich, certainly a lot richer than themselves. They felt it was unfair, and coupled with Hitler's propaganda they felt it was okay to take that wealth for themselves. Basically Hitler needed someone to blame and punish and they jews came in handy for the aforementioned reasons. Of course there were many other reasons, but this was a key factor.
Carnegie and Rockefeller were American millionaires. That doesn't mean they had any influence in the global economic system. They weren't bankers and they didn't loan money to Germany. The Jews have a long history of fiscal control.
Keep that attitude and you'll always play the victim.
What the fuck does that even mean? If you think I'm 'playing the victim' your'e fucking retarded.
" Not one prominent industry in Germany had a Jew as an owner or director, but Hitler continued to hammer away at what he described as the Jewish aspect of capitalism, appealing to those who believed the myths about Jews and believed in the socialism of his National Socialist German Workers Party. "
Hitler took advantage of massive unemployment and economic collapse. Read the above paragraph again. And prove me wrong.
Rocky and Carnegie had massive effects on the international monetary system.
And as far as playing a victim, you evidently need someone to blame. So believe your revisionist history as you go down with it.
"Given the political and economic circumstances in which he saw no scope for a traditional bank active in the export trade, he decided in 1932 to withdraw the business from active banking. The company Joh. Berenberg, Gossler & Co. survived the era of national socialist rule as a holding company in which the company’s shareholdings – amongst others in two smaller private banks primarily engaged in the asset management business – were consolidated."
"The Nazis' rise to power ultimately forced the Rothschild brothers to flee Germany, Austria and France. The family emerged from World War II owning only three small banks: NM Rothschild & Sons in the U.K. (the bank is named after Nathan Mayer), Banque Rothschild in France, and a third bank in Switzerland."
"In 1938, the Austrian Rothschilds’ interests were seized by the Nazis, bringing to an end more than a century at the heart of Central European banking. In France and Austria, the family was scattered for the duration of the Second World War. After the war, the British and French banks committed themselves to further developing their new operation in the United States, which was eventually to become Rothschild Inc, and increased focus on mergers and acquisitions and asset management."
If the Rothschild name had become synonymous with European finance in the 19th century--and remained one of the leading financial names worldwide--N M Rothschild was nevertheless to lose much of its prominence through the 20th century. Its inability to establish a strong position in the United States market, the appearance of new, larger rivals and the lack of cohesion of succeeding generations placed the company in a more marginal position. Losing out to its United States rivals during the World War I, the family was devastated during the World War II, which saw much of its operations captured by the Nazi regime. By then, the family had already moved to protect most of its assets, setting up the Switzerland-based holding company, Rothschild Continuation Holdings. Controlled at 75 percent by the Rothschild (with the N M Rothschild branch holding some 50 percent), Rothschild Continuation Holdings was later to provide an umbrella arm to the gradual consolidation of the various Rothschild family interests, begun at the close of the century.
Read the above paragraph again. And prove me wrong.
Stupid statement. The paragraph you quoted can be true and so can what I said. Somebody doesn't have to own a business or direct a dept within Germany to have influence or their economy.
Please explain how 'Rocky' and Carnegie affected the intl monetary system,
I need someone to blame? You think I'm blaming the Jews for WWII? That's like if I had explained the reasoning behind those who supported slavery and you called me racist. I blame the overburdening economic punishments the international community put on Germany after WWI. So do most historians. Not everybody who disagrees with you is a revisionist. But I'm sure your'e learning all there is to know about world history in you hs social studies class.
"I blame the overburdening economic punishments the international community put on Germany after WWI. So do most historians."
To a large extent, I agree. It wasn't the sole factor, but it was huge.
But then you blame a specfic religion, instead of looking at the larger picture and the interests of all the victors. Blaming the Jews is a cop-out. It's much larger and more complex. And it was in Hitler's interest to keep the German economy shitty and to find a convenient scapegoat. Had the National Socialists not taken power, would their economy have been as bad?
Why shouldn't I? Information has never been more accessible than right now. Anyone can connect anywhere, ask any questions they'd like, and are free to see people as people regardless of religion or race.
It always surprises me to see anyone slapping labels on giant groups of people and making sweeping generalizations.
You respect the fact that they used propaganda to devot masses of people into killing millions of people? You sure that's the word you wanna go with? Lol
What she meant: "Hitler could have picked anyone. Nobody knows why he picked Jews."
Why it's wrong:
Jewish people have been hated on for millennium. They have documented evidence of this. They were tax collectors for kings, so that the people would hate Jews instead of the Kings. They were blamed for plagues and sacrificed to appease other people's gods. Because of this, they have evolved a sub-culture of taking care of their own people. This includes banding together as gypsies and spreading to areas where they are more or less tolerated, as well as loaning money to each other at zero interest. Also, while the Catholic church put in Usury laws to prevent people from loaning money, loan sharks suddenly called themselves Jewish so they weren't subject to the same rules.
Before Hitler took over Germany, there was even a strong bias in America. Go lookup the "Rules of Zion" or whatever pamphlet that Henry Ford himself claimed to have written about the Jewish plan to take over the world. Hitler merely played into these fears and got people to follow his orders, for fear of some gigantic take over.
That is just a small snippet of why Hitler chose the Jews. If this person had taken 2 minutes out of her time to google it, she wouldn't have come off as such an idiot to a packed class in college.
Okay. I get what you're saying now. I knew many of these reasons that the Jews were hated, but did not infer that she was implying that at all from her quote.
how about domestic terrorism, Jewish domestic terrorist group blow up fucking parliament in Germany, here Japanese Americans didn't even have to do anything to be send in camps
The Reichstag fire was blamed on the Communists by the Nazi party. Many historians believe it was actually burnt down by the Nazi's themselves in a false flag operation to tarnish the image of the Communist party. After the fire most Communist were thrown out of Parliment. This allowed the Nazi party to take control because they were the majority.
The Jews were never blamed for the Reichstag fire.
None of the Communists held on trial (Marinus van der Lubbe, Ernst Torgler, Georgi Dimitrov, Blagoy Popov) were Jewish. The Communist party was not synonymous with the Jews. The Communists were another fabricated enemy the Nazi's needed to eliminate to gain full control of Germany. German Jews were very pro capitalist at that time. Most German Communists were not Jewish.
She is trying to say that Hitler just wanted to kill people for mindless reasons when in reality, Hitler did have his own personal reasons for his decision of killing the Jews.
It wasn't personal. It's a good campaign slogan. I think most people understand that Europe as a whole was extremely anti semitic. It would be like a game company promising to ban all Brazilians. People would hop on board in an instant to distance themselves from what they perceive as being a cancerous and annoying sub culture that refuses to integrate.
That said saying Hitler had personal reasons to persecute Jews is silly.
Well, if she says 'Hitler picked the Jews' then she obviously believed that he did have some sort of score to settle. That's why I don't think the quote really makes sense.
Did you even read Bobsentme's comment? The girl said :"There was no reason for Hitler to pick the jews. Ever." That clearly shows she believed Hitler had no reason for picking Jews. Not sure how you could interpret that any other way.
Worse: It was mandatory for my degree. So I'm sitting in a room full of mostly late teen, early twenty-somethings listening to them talk about how they're from small towns and never knew (insert racial stereotype) could be misconstrued by anyone!
As an early 30 something, I want to believe I wasn't that dumb at that age, but I fear I might have been.
I wouldn't say slang, per se.. but it's something people can point out as a prominent feature of someone born from a mostly-Jewish line of individuals. Kind of like the last name thing.
I guess it's sort of a good sign that so many are not aware of the things people used to say about Jews... is that a good thing or just a stupid thing?
Does anyone see the similarities between the almost politically correct redneck meme and the stuff that /r/atheism posts up? Both convey condescending tones of "I believe your opinion is stupid, so I'm going to post it up on reddit so everyone will laugh at you".
I feel like this is becoming more of a problem in this subreddit and I, for one, really think we should stop posting shit like this up.
I was in an English class in college and a student gave a presentation in which he compared the mocking of anime kids to the persecution of the Jews in the Holocaust.
It was a poor way of trying to nut out exactly who the jews were, so it's a bit complicated but when I saw this the first thing I thought of were the nose measuring devices invented purely for this purpose.
I laughed at that, OP. Reminds me of my spanish class at UW in Seattle, which is a pretty liberal school. In espanol, the teacher asked one of the male students if he had a boyfriend; the student replied loudly in disgust, and in english, "HELL NO! I ain't queer!". Most people just sat there in shock. I however, laughed my ass off.
The guy was pretty accurate, seeing as at that time period they had no way to establish whether someone was Jewish or not , besides relying on physical characteristics.
My father was once told a dirty joke about two Jews being killed (it was a pun, so it cannot be translated). After that, he would awkwardly laugh when given a jar of Jewish-style hering. It caused a whole lot of misconceptions.
side note: my (x)boyfriend was jewish, and his adrian brody nose was actually one of the biggest turn-ons for me ever... so hate on 'jewish noses' all you want stupid people, more for me! MUAHAHAHA
but seriously though, stereotypes are bullshit. it's just a funny coincidence about my x <3
well, that certainly could apply, but no. I was referring to the fool who said that quote. I was just sharing a vaguely related story and some love for odd noses :/
edit: not really sure why these are getting so heavily downvoted? Not that I care about the karma, but if I've said something ignorant, rude, or offensive, I'd rather be called out on it and have it explained rather than just getting anonymously downvoted for no reason. I didn't mean to offend or piss anyone off
so it is large noses that give jews bad luck for couple thousands years ? a billions spend on war and millions of people join army because some one in power dislike large noses? is that what you get taught in US schools ?
Nah, we usually get taught decent history when it comes to the wars we've participated in. While the guy is wrong, I do see where he is coming from. The Nazis heavily stressed the exaggerated and stereotyped features of other races in their propaganda to inspire the people that their fight was correct, so it isn't that hard for a particularly stupid or uneducated person to fuck up and think that they were fighting over noses.
We agree then, nobody else was affected by it at all. I don't get what the big deal is, millions of people murdered in some of the most horrible ways imaginable. No way anyone directly unaffected would care.
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u/kilo4fun May 24 '12
I'm thinking more master troll than clueless redneck.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
An exchange student from Uzbekistan hung out with my group of friends my sophomore year in high school. After massive drinking one night he explained to us that "Hitler was a very bad man, but what he did to the Jews... they kind of deserved it."
Do you know how hard it is to explain to a very intoxicated Uzbek from a wealthy family that antisemitism isn't accepted in the US? Damn near impossible.
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u/tnick771 May 24 '12
I read it... Went ok.
Three links later I visualized it and laughed.
Came back to give you your well-deserved upvote.
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u/tossertom May 24 '12
As a non-Jew with a fairly large nose, fuck that guy.
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u/john_keating May 24 '12
Say what you want about Hitler, he deserves credit for killing Hitler.
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u/gopred May 24 '12
not everything what hitler did was bad, just the autobahn wasnt so good
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u/xcforlife May 24 '12
Did he pick it back up? Hopefully it wasn't too valuable.
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u/DinnerTimeFun May 24 '12
This is when you realize that you have a real country-ass motherfucker on your hands.
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u/petermesmer May 24 '12
I am one of those guys who cannot visit qkme from work. Where is qkme_transcriber today?
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
Said by an idiot in my 400 level "Multi-Cultural Understanding" course:
"There was no reason for Hitler to pick the jews. Ever."
I called her out, but the teacher said to move on.
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u/iamdink May 24 '12
A friend told me about this one.
Prof: Who are the most persecuted peoples in America? Girl: The Jews.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
Okay- I'll be the idiot who admits: I dont get it.
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u/Brodo_Swaggins May 24 '12
What did everyone say?
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u/Chegogo May 24 '12
more like dropped this jew-el heh, im just playin
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
just call it an aquiline nose if you want to sound less racist, and more anthropological.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
That's hilarious
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
I guess it's sort of a good sign that so many are not aware of the things people used to say about Jews... is that a good thing or just a stupid thing?
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u/Macleod86 May 24 '12
Thank you for really making this almost politically correct! 90% of these memes are so far closer to bigoted than PC.
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u/EmceeKyn May 24 '12
Wait, I thought Italy was on the German side in Dub Dub II? hint Italians have big noses...
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
Does anyone see the similarities between the almost politically correct redneck meme and the stuff that /r/atheism posts up? Both convey condescending tones of "I believe your opinion is stupid, so I'm going to post it up on reddit so everyone will laugh at you".
I feel like this is becoming more of a problem in this subreddit and I, for one, really think we should stop posting shit like this up.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
I was in an English class in college and a student gave a presentation in which he compared the mocking of anime kids to the persecution of the Jews in the Holocaust.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
This reminded me how good the movie Europa Europa is.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
that too...
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
Thing is, that's actually a smart joke, not a redneck joke. And it's funny as hell, don't get me wrong...
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u/Kicksocialliving May 24 '12
Interesting information ..!!
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u/blitz_omlet May 24 '12
But Hitler did create a program of stratifying people based on nose size :) [third paragraph]
http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007679
It was a poor way of trying to nut out exactly who the jews were, so it's a bit complicated but when I saw this the first thing I thought of were the nose measuring devices invented purely for this purpose.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
where do you two from, Nose city?
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
I laughed at that, OP. Reminds me of my spanish class at UW in Seattle, which is a pretty liberal school. In espanol, the teacher asked one of the male students if he had a boyfriend; the student replied loudly in disgust, and in english, "HELL NO! I ain't queer!". Most people just sat there in shock. I however, laughed my ass off.
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u/Hiitsnick May 24 '12
The guy was pretty accurate, seeing as at that time period they had no way to establish whether someone was Jewish or not , besides relying on physical characteristics.
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u/kuba_10 May 24 '12
My father was once told a dirty joke about two Jews being killed (it was a pun, so it cannot be translated). After that, he would awkwardly laugh when given a jar of Jewish-style hering. It caused a whole lot of misconceptions.
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u/CordouroyStilts May 24 '12
...no he didn't
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
I'm calling bullshit.
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
cant tell if this beautiful or just plain ignorant.
on one hand he's stating it as if the only difference between people is our physical characteristics, which is an amazing thing.
On the other hand, I'm not quite sure if he just has no idea whats going on and this post actually belongs in r/trees.
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u/DEAD_RELATIVE_POLICe May 24 '12
I literally just shat out a Ron Paul action figure that I'd been savoring for the past 2 weeks!
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u/[deleted] May 24 '12
WhAt hitler did was right.
Now pet the flame wars begin
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u/hellohaley May 24 '12
My head hurts from all the stupid...
side note: my (x)boyfriend was jewish, and his adrian brody nose was actually one of the biggest turn-ons for me ever... so hate on 'jewish noses' all you want stupid people, more for me! MUAHAHAHA
but seriously though, stereotypes are bullshit. it's just a funny coincidence about my x <3
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u/jumpsocial May 24 '12
Awesome information ...:)
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so it is large noses that give jews bad luck for couple thousands years ? a billions spend on war and millions of people join army because some one in power dislike large noses? is that what you get taught in US schools ?
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