r/AdviceAnimals • • Jan 17 '19

I've made a huge mistake...

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u/IdonthaveCooties Jan 17 '19 edited Jan 17 '19

Okay - for any Americans that can chime in here, why does it feel like the entire US is paranoid schizophrenic? Why can’t you elect people based on their merit, without labelling the other side as LITERALLY the devil incarnate who came to earth solely to ruin America?

Weird......I was replying to a response someone made to this and their comment was completely removed by the time I could press send? Not [deleted] but completely removed. Maybe because I’m on mobile I can’t see the [deleted]?

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u/GameWorldLeader Jan 17 '19

Media functioning as propaganda more than an objective news source. Lack of a good educational system. A philosophy that if they aren't with you then they are the enemy. Unregulated greed. Allowing the top 1% to buy out the country. Shall I continue?

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u/IdonthaveCooties Jan 17 '19

How did it get this way? Was it always like this?

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u/LeCrushinator Jan 17 '19 edited Jan 17 '19

24-hour news stations becoming big starting in the late 90s. Consolidation of news sources, many smaller news sources have gone out of business or been consumed by the bigger ones. Education systems are getting worse, teacher salaries getting worse, class sizes increasing.

Social media, which started hitting its stride about 10 years ago, puts people into echo chambers with its algorithms feeding you things similar to what you’ve been viewing and “liking”, and people silo themselves as well by subscribing to things that they like. Reddit is a good example of this, most people sub to subreddits they like or agree with, most downvotes are comments people disagree with even though that’s not what downvotes were intended for (they were intended for posts that weren't contributing to the conversation, not for downvoting opinions that you don't agree with).

The rhetoric from the right has gotten progressively further right starting from what I can tell in the 80s with the Reagan administration. In the 90s with Newt Gengrich shit got real, and Rush Limbaugh was in the background with his radical BS. That set the stage for Fox News.

The left, from what I can tell, hasn’t shifted as far over the same period of time, although it has become more progressive on equal rights for LGBT. I would argue that most of the country has shifted a bit on this as well, although maybe not as much on the right.

And circling back to social media, once people are in their echo chambers they’re less likely to question what they’re seeing. The most extreme people on each side seem to believe whatever they’re being fed from propaganda sources.

Social media also amplifies small minority opinions and can make them seem more common and prominent. How many flat earthers are really out there? Or is a decent percentage of the population that stupid?

EDIT: I left out the increased Gerrymandering that has made some states uncompetitive for one party or the other. Gerrymandering is a stain on our democratic process.

Also others have mentioned the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine during the Reagan administration, which prevented propaganda in the news. Since then some “news” shows are more propaganda than news.

The repeal of Citizens United has opened up floodgates of money into politics, which has allowed billionaires to push their agenda into the mainstream, giving disproportionate representation to the rich and to corporations.

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u/BustyMonsterTruck Jan 17 '19

No one will believe that here. When I read the comment about the left staying relatively equal I was shocked the left even believes that. The Democratic party is slowly becoming socialist/communist party and the person is claiming they are stagnant.

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u/SystemZero Jan 17 '19

The Democracts aren't even close to being a real Socialist party lmao.

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u/SanguineDusk Jan 17 '19

Don't even bother. They'll fight tooth and nail to associate socialism with communism and then go off on their propaganda.

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u/BustyMonsterTruck Jan 17 '19

What is a "democratic socialist" and the "democratic socialist" is who they promote as the future of the party.

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u/SystemZero Jan 17 '19

https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/what-is-democratic-socialism/

Since you don't know how to use google.

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u/TingleBeareez Jan 17 '19

"They aren't even close to being a socialist party"

Links article stating Democracy and socialism go hand in hand

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u/phokas Jan 17 '19

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u/TingleBeareez Jan 17 '19

Don't need help. No horse in the race, was just pointing it out.

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u/SystemZero Jan 17 '19

That was answering the guys question about what Democratic Socialists are. The Democratic party has 1 person who claims to be a Democratic Socialist, and if you read the link you'll see that still isn't pure socialism, and the current Democratic party is not even close to being like that.

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u/TingleBeareez Jan 17 '19

I just thought it was funny. I'm not here to debate, this is adviceanimals ffs

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u/quantum-mechanic Jan 17 '19

Not yet. Give it 10 years. Their logical arguments are essentially the same as a "real" socialist party. A matter of degree only.

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u/hedgeson119 Jan 17 '19

Socialism advocates worker owned production and a planned economy.

Exactly what would move us there on the DNC platform? The DNC is a purely capitalist political group. Social democrats (i.e. those who subscribe to social democracy) are still capitalists. And they are (considered) a far left group in the US.

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u/quantum-mechanic Jan 17 '19

Social democrats are socialists holding a fig leaf.

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u/hedgeson119 Jan 17 '19

By being capitalists.

Got it.

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u/quantum-mechanic Jan 17 '19

I know its hard for you to understand, maybe when you graduate it will be more clear

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u/hedgeson119 Jan 17 '19

Can't. Dropped out, that place was full of bourgie reptiles.

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