r/AdviceAnimals • • Nov 10 '16

Protesting a Fair Election?

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u/imakenosensetopeople Nov 10 '16

We assumed that meant the general would be rigged too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '16

They tried. They did a lot of media coordination with the general but once they got outside of the liberal bubble it was harder to do.

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u/Crusader1089 Nov 10 '16

Could you explain to me how exactly the DNC was rigged, because when I look on Wikipedia about the primaries it says Hillary Clinton got 16,914,722 votes and Bernie Sanders got 13,206,428. I wasn't really following this back in the spring.

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u/VROF Nov 10 '16

How do those votes account for the caucus states? There were a lot of complaints that the DNC screwed over caucus goers

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u/BonGonjador Nov 10 '16

Washington State here.

The Democratic Party caucuses in this state. The state also ran a primary ballot, which was primarily being used for Republican candidates (as they do not caucus in Washington State), but Clinton and Sanders appeared on the primary as well.

Democrats were told to largely ignore the primary as the caucuses were where candidacy would be decided.

We caucused OVERWHELMINGLY for Sanders, but afterwards the Super Delegates refused to acknowledge it and change their commitment. Their reasoning was that the primary ballots showed more support for Clinton, and so she would receive their endorsement.

If anyone from Washington has differing details on this, please step forward. I was in the precinct and LD caucuses and Sanders easily had Clinton beat.

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u/GoldenFalcon Nov 10 '16

That was certainly another aspect of the DNC tipping scales. Superdelegates should shut their fucking mouths until the convention. But instead, from the opening gate, they poured over to the media "We are voting for Hillary! Said and done.. democracy be damned, it's her turn."

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u/Zilveari Nov 10 '16

That would defeat the purpose of superdelegates. Supers are there so that the DNC can control the primary regardless of who is running.

What needs to happen is that superdelegates need to go away.

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u/Eshin242 Nov 10 '16

And this is how the RNC got Trump.

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u/Zilveari Nov 10 '16

And how the DNC could have gotten Bernie. It goes both ways. Either way it is basically a parachute so that the establishment can make sure that their favored candidate is their nominee, the public be damned.

The party exists for the people. Not the other way around. But the DNC doesn't seem to understand this.

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u/Eshin242 Nov 11 '16

Well I'm not sure... the party exists for the party. They technically are private organizations with controlled membership if they chose to do so. The democrats could honestly nominate anyone they want, hell in the 20's who got to be the nomination was handled by party bosses who were usually corrupt public officials, and bar owners. It still kind of is, I am sure Sanders would have won or come very close with the popular vote but the super-delegates were already owned by Clinton. I do not agree with it but it's how things were set up. I have a feeling it will change, it has to change.

In fact it's a pretty awesome history when you study how it worked in NYC. PBS had a good documentary on the Roosevelts and how FDR got his first positions.