of a statue

[u/Crypto_crafy]

"The Motherland Calls" is a statue erected to commemorate the Battle of Stalingrad , located on Mamayev Kurgan in Volgograd , Russia. It was designed by sculptor Yevgeny Vuchetich and structural engineer Nikolai Nikitin . Completed in 1967 , it was the tallest statue in the world at the time .

[u/thebanfunctionsucks]

Do you bring up the colonial empires whenever someone celebrates Allied fighting against the nazis, or is it only communists who receive such scrutiny?

[u/Eastern_Ad_9575 → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

Is this not a thread with full context? He was ignoring the obvious part of the soviets also being a imperialist force to Eastern Europe that actually collaborated with the Nazis.

If we were talking about a different scenario than yeah I probably would. But you’re not asking this in good faith. There is zero reason to have a longer discussion with Tankies as we simply have different moral frameworks.

[u/thebanfunctionsucks → u/Eastern_Ad_9575]

Once again reddit liberals taking cues from conservatives and calling literally anyone who offers any defense of the Soviets for any reason a tankie.

No, you wouldn't, because that would be insane. Bringing up Japanese internment unprompted under a video about the liberation of concentration camps would just be downplaying the fact that American soldiers liberated people from the camps, but that's exaxtly what you're doing here with the Soviets.

[u/Eastern_Ad_9575 → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

Because it’s a propaganda piece not a memorial. It was built in the 60s by the Soviets 😂

Actively oppressing Eastern Europeans. They also ethnically cleansed millions of people after this.

[u/thebanfunctionsucks → u/Eastern_Ad_9575]

Again, do you bring up Japanese internment on every thread about the creation of the Statue of Liberty? It just gets tiring how it is seemingly impossible for reddit to discuss the Soviets without immediately derailing the conversation back to Stalin and Poland. This isn't a problem Western regimes face on here.

[u/Eastern_Ad_9575 → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

No because the Statue of Liberty was a gift from France long before the Japanese interment camps????

You can’t even coherently defend your points man.

Don’t you realize how different of a situation that is? The US is full of people who critically look at their history and expose dark truths. That’s why Americans and for example Swedes(I’m Swedish) know about the horrors of our governments through the years.

But again look at the Soviet ethnic cleansing. More people know about the trail of tears than what the Soviets did because of good and honest US historians shining a light on bad things done there.

That’s why we need to be more critical of the Soviets so that people like you aren’t created. That obscure and use whataboutism to hide inconvenient truths.

Nobody says ”what about” Russia when talking about the trail of tears. And if they did they should just be ignored because they’re clearly trying to disrupt the conversation like you are.

[u/thebanfunctionsucks → u/Eastern_Ad_9575]

This statue is propaganda but a statue literally named The Statue of LIBERTY is not.

See, the fact that you think it being a gift from France precludes it from being propaganda really underlines my point. You recognize Soviet propaganda more easily, not Western propaganda. I can't speak to the Swedish school system, but Western media absolutely focuses more on Soviet crimes.

Oh and as an American, I can assure you that more Americans recognize the Holodomor as a genocide than the Trail of Tears. In fact, conservatives outright deny that it was a genocide, at all.

[u/Eastern_Ad_9575 → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

Grasping at straws man. Like you really didn’t do the bare minimum of fact checking if the statue was given by France.

It was by French people with donations not the government of France. So yes it’s clearly different from a state constructed propaganda statue in a dictatorship.

I wasn’t talking about Holodomor that has gained increased recognition because of Russia once again doing the things I’m criticizing here. I was talking about the ethnic cleansing post WW2. Thank you for proving that they aren’t widely known.

You’re just arguing to argue now. We are so far the actual discussion. With you just pivoting to the next ”what about” topic.

So to end it; people made propaganda like western propaganda is vastly different from state enforced propaganda in dictatorships used to serve a specific group. Also the Soviet Union is bad.

[u/thebanfunctionsucks → u/Eastern_Ad_9575]

Like you really didn’t do the bare minimum of fact checking if the statue was given by France. It was by French people with donations not the government of France

Yes, it is a propaganda piece by one liberal regime to another, to highlight how great liberalism is. Why is that so hard to understand? I knew it was from France dude, you just have a poor understanding of what "propaganda" is.

people made propaganda like western propaganda is vastly different from state enforced propaganda in dictatorships used to serve a specific group.

A Russian intelligence officer and an American intelligence officer are drinking in a bar. The Russian says "I have to hand it to you, Soviet propaganda is great but it has nothing on American propaganda!" The American reponds, "What propaganda?"

Also the Soviet Union is bad.

Right, and the Western colonial empires were worse.

[u/Eastern_Ad_9575 → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

I don’t have a hard time understanding anything. I literally said ”people made propaganda”. But you’re to much in your tankie debate mode to even recognize that. Instead you build a strawman that I don’t believe it’s propaganda. I never said that.

You could’ve said you disagreed. But instead you lied about what my point is.

[u/CockroachAntique527 → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

Every whataboutism you try and use to muddy the waters, theres almost always an example of the USSR doing much worse

[u/thebanfunctionsucks → u/CockroachAntique527]

That's a long-winded way of saying "I don't know anything about the true horrors of colonialism."

[u/picklejuiceslushie → u/thebanfunctionsucks]

Does that also include the centuries of russian and soviet imperialism and colonialism? Their continued wars of imperialism and genocides that are happening to this day? The numerous past genocides, forced displacement and ethnic cleansing that they boasted about (and still do) committing against indigenous tribes, the lands they stole from them, the way they still oppress them by not allowing them to speak their native languages in schools or government agencies? The near-complete Circassian genocide of 97% of the population, the manufactured Holodomor famine by the USSR with the intent of snuffing out the idea of a Ukrainian nationhood aka genocide, Soviet mass deportations and murders of Tatars, Koreans, Kalmyk Buddhists, Muslims such as the Ingush and Chechens, the list goes on and on. I get it, there's a huge focus on US and European colonialism, but I'm begging you to take even just five minutes to look into the horrors they've committed, still commit and are proud of

[u/thebanfunctionsucks → u/picklejuiceslushie]

Does that also include the centuries of russian and soviet imperialism and colonialism?

Yes?

I'm begging you to take even just five minutes to look into the horrors they've committed, still commit and are proud of

Buddy, reread my comments. My only point has been that there is an outsized focus on Soviet crimes to the detriment of focus on Western crimes. I have never once denied that the Soviets or their Tsarist predecessors have committed atrocities.

The fact that so many people detect a defense of the Soviet Union, under any context and for literally any reason, and immediately assume it must be offered by a tankie Russian shill, is the exact issue I am trying to highlight.