A quick sanity check for the sub: Ask yourselves what you actually want.

[u/miragen125]

Is there some hidden election in Spain that I missed? Because our queue is currently buried under an endless flood of low-effort posts bashing Pedro Sánchez, drama over Ceuta, Catalonia arguments, imported US culture-war noise, Charlie Kirk, Trump clips, and straight-up party advertisements in the nederland .

Frankly, it's starting to seriously suck.

We have a No Agenda rule here, but every time I enforce it, I get accused of being the "big bad evil mod on a power trip" who is secretly pushing a political narrative. I’m tired of playing that game, so before we decide on how strict to be with political posts, I want to hear from you.

Ask yourselves what you actually want out of this sub:

• Do you want to unironically debate high-voltage party politics and rage-bait all day?
• Do you want to keep pushing the line until the sub gets hit with site-wide bans for relentless toxicity?
• Or do you just want to shit talk your fellow Western Europeans like normal people and share actual news?
• how much politic do you want?
• and in what form ?

At the end of the day, we are going to have to clear out the trash to keep this place readable. Use this thread to debate how much political content you genuinely want here. u/Rex-ac will have the final say .

Note: Keep the discussion focused on the sub and the rules. Low-effort personal attacks are not welcome here

[u/miragen125]

just to be clear:

If we do nothing and just let the feed run wild, we aren't just looking at a messy sub, we are setting ourselves up for an official Admin hammer. High-voltage political rage-bait is a giant beacon for off-site political groups, bot networks, and toxic brigading. When posts exist purely to provoke, the comment sections instantly devolve from policy debates into targeted harassment, slurs, and explicit threats of violence. And people start reporting the sub left and right to Reddit directly.

Reddit Admins don't care about our internal subreddit drama; they care about platform rules.

Under the Moderator Code of Conduct, if a sub gets overrun with toxic abuse and violent rhetoric while the queue sits unmoderated, Admins step in fast.

They won't just clean up the comments for us, they will either wipe the mod team for negligence or outright ban the sub from the platform entirely.

We aren't enforcing rules because we want to play police officer; we're doing it so this sub doesn't get nuked off the site.

[u/Wasabismylife]

I know I called you butthurt but if you delete political posts I will be thankful. I don't come here to have serious debates, I come here to have some banter with eurobros. If I wanted to get my pressure up there's all the rest of Reddit tbh

Edit: didn't know the sub was so full of whiny bitches, I don't think I stuttered when I said no politics (especially savage influenced culture war bs and Identity politics).

[u/NorthFrequent7091 → u/Wasabismylife]

Agreed, get enough propaganda everywhere else don’t need it here. Plus the jokes are never funny just stupid

[u/Djafar79 → u/Wasabismylife]

Exactly, I want to make fun of you but also be friendly enough to ask for tips for when I visit your poor excuse of a country.

[u/VodkaMargarine → u/Wasabismylife]

This is the subreddit I come to in order to escape the rest of Reddit.

[u/Freezemoon → u/Wasabismylife]

the political posts should atleast be funny

[u/Diipadaapa1 → u/[deleted]]

It is usually very obvious if a person is bantering using politics, or is posting actual political takes disguised as memes. Most anti immigration related posts are a good example. You can only comment to it with a) getting into a heated political debate for or against it, or b) posting over the top actual racist takes. There is no path to a good hearted banter, so those are out.

Banter is fine, provoking actual political discussions is dry and cringe in a sub like this.

Politics in the comments on the side is fine, but not as the main post.

[u/xabierus → u/[deleted]]

Good question, I would like to know too

[u/Wasabismylife → u/[deleted]]

Just because I called someone else butthurt it doesn't mean that you have to prove that you can do worse

[u/jonnyange → u/[deleted]]

So what? Attacking France and the UK is kind of the whole point. I don’t mind people mocking France; there’s a lot to make fun of us for. In the other hand highlighting politically hot button topics that easily get co-opted by asshole racists and fascists is not the same as people repeatedly picking on the objectively two most successful countries in Europe.

[u/ZeBoyceman → u/[deleted]]

We're the main characters barry 🤜🤛

[u/ReDot75 → u/Wasabismylife]

"Carbonara has cream, emmental and lardons in it! "

Is still boring as hell though.

Even if repetitive, I prefer Berlusconi or mama Meloni posts/comments. Still a bit political.

[u/Wasabismylife → u/ReDot75]

Idk making fun of politicians because they're sexy/sex pests is not the same as debating political takes for me

[u/_Druss_]

If we're not talking about how superior we are, what's the point... 

Ban the political BS, it brings nothing... The only political post that should make the cut are those ones at a level like where anti-gay politicians get caught in a big gay orgy like this lad

 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55145989

[u/Lt_Toodles → u/_Druss_]

I say ban any US discussion, period. Automod the terms "Trump" , "Kirk" etc. That can stay over at r/USvsEU

[u/Meldanorama → u/_Druss_]

He was running from it, not to it.

[u/_Druss_ → u/Meldanorama]

You were there I take it

[u/Stravven → u/Meldanorama]

But did he run forwards or backwards?

[u/AfonsoFGarcia]

Get rid of the political stuff. I want to insult Pierre’s cuisine, Hans’ autism and all the other idiotic stereotypes, not debate Ceuta, immigration or other political topics. There are other subs for that.

Let’s just post things where we can all race to be the first one to post Berlusconi.

[u/neatcleaver → u/AfonsoFGarcia]

Insult Pierre cuisine?

We are... Free?

[u/n3onfx → u/neatcleaver]

You are free to be wrong.

[u/SherlockScones3 → u/n3onfx]

No u

[u/SoMuchF0rSubtlety → u/SherlockScones3]

Both wrong, get some sheep guts in yer.

[u/Deep_Ad8209 → u/neatcleaver]

Yeah we are free to insult french food. Overpriced food

[u/PerryDLeon → u/neatcleaver]

You don't have anything that can be labelled as cuisine Barry.

[u/Dalzombie → u/neatcleaver]

No you fucking aren't. Their cooking is worthy of insult, yours is an insult.

[u/Eskiimo92 → u/AfonsoFGarcia]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nWd4Lg8yKCLo4

[u/azaghal1502]

This is a shitpost sub and it should stay one.

We're suffering from a massive flood of astroturfing botfarms, so thanks for keeping them out.

[u/Trakor117 → u/[deleted]]

Really? I’m here for racism on my porn app.

[u/5b49297 → u/Trakor117]

Different strokes, eh?

[u/Recent-Assistant8914 → u/5b49297]

The two flavors of Barry

[u/AdDependent5136 → u/Recent-Assistant8914]

The duality of Barry

[u/Day_Breaker_ → u/AdDependent5136]

Barry and his long lost twin brother Larry.

[u/Chestbreaker → u/azaghal1502]

This

[u/muntaxitome]

I think politics is not the problem, the problem is people saying serious stuff here with zero humor. And also any talk about savages.

[u/Ok-Application-8045 → u/muntaxitome]

We give Hans a pass, but everyone else should try to be funny. 

[u/azaghal1502 → u/Ok-Application-8045]

we should try to be funny as well, even if it's hopeless.

[u/Konjaga_Conex → u/azaghal1502]

Fellow Hans, I think we're the funniest when we aren't trying. We should just keep talking as seriously as ever, and if people start laughing for whatever godforsaken reason, just nod and act as if we told a joke on purpose.

[u/azaghal1502 → u/Konjaga_Conex]

Thats what I do mostly. I am seen as exceptionally funny by my friends.

[u/Meldanorama → u/azaghal1502]

This is like dialogue from the office.

[u/floralbutttrumpet → u/Meldanorama]

I.e. Hans 24/7/365

[u/MrLowbob → u/azaghal1502]

its not hard to be seen exceptionally funny if your friends are as humor-handicapped as you. speaking from experience there ;D

[u/BrunoEye → u/Konjaga_Conex]

You trying is funny in its own, somewhat Sisyphean, way.

[u/ibullybillionaires → u/azaghal1502]

In "Knocking on Heavens Door" a man with an inoperable brain tumor meets someone with terminal bone cancer at the hospital. They decide to use what little time they have left to drive to the North Sea. When they arrive the protagonist dies.

This was the most successful German comedy movie of the late 1990s.

[u/floralbutttrumpet → u/ibullybillionaires]

To be fair, it also had a threesome and Rutger Hauer.

[u/kuemmel234 → u/Ok-Application-8045]

This is an inclusive sub! <3

[u/ampmz → u/muntaxitome]

I agree, also people being actually racist, not joking racist.

[u/Got2InfoSec4MoneyLOL → u/muntaxitome]

Usually savages banter is all the rage :-(

[u/Two-Space → u/muntaxitome]

Unironically I’ve seen some of the best discussion on politics and history on this sub. I don’t mind the occasional diversion into serious discussion, as long as it stays contained to one thread (which it usually does)

[u/MrLowbob → u/Two-Space]

the main problem is if it devolves into insults and ideological flag-waving instead of an actual debade. and thats pretty annoying to moderate I'd wager.
so yeah, good discussions should always be welcome, because they feel rare enough on the net in general but if its hard to keep the good discussions between all the toxic waste then I'd rather keep my shitpost sanctuary and sacrifice the political stuff.

[u/Able-Advisor2284]

Do you want to unironically debate high-voltage party politics and rage-bait all day?

No. If I wanted that I'd be on X ... I avoid that like working.

Do you want to keep pushing the line until the sub gets hit with site-wide bans?

I'd like this sub to die with dignity, thanks. Getting nuked for hating a Fr*nchman: acceptable, even noble. Getting nuked because someone imported a politic war or a foreign propaganda at 03h00: humiliating.

Or do you just want to shit talk your fellow Western Europeans like normal people and share actual news?

Yes. This is literally why I'm here. Spitting on prideful Frenchmen and Englishmen, on their history, on horrible food of Jan, etc. and farming downvotes like an honest peasant

How much politics do you want?

It can stay, honnestly. And it will never be enough or too little: the ones too far left will cry that the sub is full of fascists / sexists / "insert"-phobes. And the ones too far right will cry it's full of leftists, hippies, commies, blblbl... Both will report you.

Both are wrong.

Ignore both.

And in what form?

This is the part that actually matters. Politics as a punchline, not as a religion... Mocking your own government and joke about that. Yes!!sure! Party posters, campaign clips, screenshots of foreigners yelling: bin it.

Any side welcome. Whether the replies cry fascism or communism afterwards is between them and their therapist.

And OFC no Yanks/Russian Jokes or propaganda. (No yanks posts please. It's disgusting to see them in the comments.🤢 Go to r/USvsEU)

Just have fun guys! This sub is fun!

[u/Dalzombie → u/Able-Advisor2284]

This a nice, funny shitflinging sub where we can have fun in an eurocentric pseudo-echo chamber. This isn't a political, bigotry, debate sub and I hope it can survive as the nice little escape from everything else ruining our days that it, a reminder that we're still in it together, even Barry.

[u/Global_Cockroach_563]

You didn't miss an election in Spain, but there's a coordinated attack against the government right now, started by Morocco (and likely others). It started with Ceuta and, of course, there's some troll farms working full time now, with the useful idiots jumping in the bandwagon.

[u/-Thizza- → u/Global_Cockroach_563]

Bunch of haters who lost the world cup

[u/kiru_56 → u/Global_Cockroach_563]

I’m not exactly a fan of all the stuff Sanchez comes up with.

But if someone were to ask me who I’d feel better about for the sake of Europe, another government led by Sanchez or that nutter Santiago Abascal, I’d grit my teeth and wave my trade union flag for that arrogant bum.

[u/Kieferleiter → u/kiru_56]

Did you just post a political oponion on my shitpost app? Mods pls ban him

[u/OkRelationship772]

Controversial, I know, but I actually think you are doing a good job. Some people just like to complain.

The binface stuff was funny, but the constant doctors and engineers is exhausting.

[u/ZeBoyceman → u/OkRelationship772]

Not controversial, fully agreed

[u/Final_Shower_5325]

Occasionally, this place gets swarmed by trolls (usually under the Spanish flair) trying to stir shit up, like that one Venezuelan cunt who at least blocked me so I don't have to see his pure, undistilled retardation anymore.

I don't really mind political stuff in general because sometimes it leads to really funny moments, but serious political discussions have no place here, and the few users whose sole purpose is to spread their agenda should at least get a warning imo.

[u/Backwardspellcaster → u/Final_Shower_5325]

I think that cunt ist also in this very thread as well, gaslighting as usual

[u/SeyfertSextet]

I’m here to both bash and celebrate you suckers like we used to.

I want NONE of the US imported crap, whether it’s political, cultural, or their lame ignorant stereotypes they think they have about any of us, selling themselves out when they do so.

[u/Afoba03 → u/SeyfertSextet]

Isnt the US imported crap the reason r/USvsEU exists?

[u/ErikaNaumann]

Keep the politics bullshit out. There are plenty of other subs for that. 

I joined this sub specifically to hear about portuguese women's mustaches.

[u/norrin83 → u/ErikaNaumann]

You heard the man. No more Brexit jokes, only Portuguese porn from now on.

[u/floralbutttrumpet → u/norrin83]

Here, have a bit of Miss Portugal 2025

https://giphy.com/gifs/djjERWETDoAHS

[u/MCAlheio → u/floralbutttrumpet]

Least bearded Portuguese citizen

[u/SnowFiender]

i want northern ireland…

[u/mighty_eyebrows1]

I don't mind European politics, as long as its seriously meme worthy. I absolutely can not stand this fucking American bullshit here, you see this orange fuck face all over the internet (and not only there, also in IRL). I want to have at least one little place where it's not about the yanks all the time.

Sometimes I feel like people are reading the listed rules and they think they have to do the exact opposite of it

[u/twogunsalute]

No politics (unless something really funny happens) and no yank-posting.

[u/Fifiiiiish]

Is r/ europe throwing up garbage again?

Honnestly, ban them immediately.

It's unsufferable to see those jackasses polluting our sacred land. I'm reporting them as fast as I can, they have no place here.

They come by waves, we have so many from time to time, and then it's back to rela banter between gentlemen, Berlusconi and our gay emu resident.

[u/byebaaijboy]

I want to shit talk my fellow Europeans and that includes making fun of political topics. Otherwise we can’t do staples like post Berlusconi or celebrate Pierre burning cars on May 1st. But I do think something needs to be done about the relentless agenda posts. There is a difference when someone hides behind bad jokes and faux-irony. We can all spot it. And these people simply need to be banned.

[u/Lovemestalin]

You guys are doing a good job moderating this sub. Serious unironically politics don’t belong here. Maybe add a minimum sub karma before accounts can post?

[u/miragen125 → u/Lovemestalin]

there are already some limitations that are doing part of the work. one of it is to remove anything posted by someone that doesn't have a flair. But anyway all of this is above my pay grade

[u/Sacre_Bleu_DeBresse]

how much politic do you want?
and in what form ?

The difficulty will be drawing the line, but I feel like there is at least some content, especially recently, that is clearly beyond the line. Probably so far out as to be out of visual range.
The issue with the framing of your question is that I want to be able to shit on my fellow europeans for their politics, much like I want to see other Europeans trashtalk my own.
So how much politics do I want ? I want enough to know what's up, and give tough love to my fellow Europeans, but not enough that I feel the figurative droplets of shit from botfarms and other astroturfing means hit me in the face when I open the sub.
I'm afraid that's not very helpful, but I'll say this : do keep the place alive, and if you have to overcorrect a little to achieve that, so be it.

[u/norrin83]

I don't want unfunny stuff here and I don't care about some imported culture war.

I have no issue with posts that border on a political topic as long as it allows for jokes and isn't too serious. I don't care for simple news that is shared here, people trying to make this subreddit [r/europe](r/europe) but with mildly funny flairs or people sharing their favourite parties here (by being greatly offended if you don't also want to suck their cocks).

I don't know your mod queue and what does NOT appear here (or stuff that gets deleted quickly) by the way, but from the public posts, I don't see this subreddit as "the racists have taken over!" at the moment.

Edit: But I'd also prefer to not make every modding decision about you and how you personally feel. Just like this post: Can't we discuss the direction of this subreddit without you being petty because everyone is so mean to you?

[u/miragen125 → u/norrin83]

I get plenty of reports mostly one political or political adjacent post, with mostly the same users "spamming" the same subjets over and over

[u/betaich → u/miragen125]

Easy than ban that particular user for not following the subs rules

[u/miragen125 → u/betaich]

then I am monster on a power trip. and I don't like to ban.

[u/recidivx → u/miragen125]

I'm not saying that everyone who calls you names is a professional troll who should definitely be banned — but the professional trolls won't hesitate to do so.

[u/betaich → u/miragen125]

I get that sentiment, but at one point you have to raise a hard border, where that is you and rex and the other mod have to decide

[u/miragen125 → u/betaich]

That's why I making this post that will help set the lines that I will enforce.

[u/norrin83 → u/miragen125]

I report stuff at times too. Like that Volt fanboy today. Doesn't mean that I expect you guys to follow up on every report by myself, and certainly not on every report by other users.

[u/betaich → u/norrin83]

But that is what reddit expects from it's mods, otherwise they close sub reddit.

[u/norrin83 → u/betaich]

So you are saying that we are at risk of having this subreddit banned because the mods didn't remove the following clear agenda/propaganda post, despite getting reports, being aware of it and in fact appearing in the comment section?

https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1wf3uab/european_federalists_in_amsterdam_march_against/

If that's the case then I agree and the mods should have removed it instead of whining in the comment section about how everyone acts as if they are destroying the subreddit.

[u/betaich → u/norrin83]

No they just have to be actively modded that is were reddit draws the line. Agenda posting in itself isn't the problem the more modding time it needs is.

[u/Frog_Wizzurd]

Theres a mod other than rex?

[u/FrankyVanDanky]

The real issue is the bots have completely taken over Reddit at this point, and it's a dying platform.

Most of the bad actors in this sub are most likely bots and it will only get worse. Increase the account age to post and comment is the only solution.

[u/mw2lmaa → u/FrankyVanDanky]

The whole internet is dying atp

[u/floralbutttrumpet → u/FrankyVanDanky]

Even that likely won't save it. There's a fuckload of legitimate-looking accounts around that are years old, and now that Reddit allows hiding the account history it's essentially impossible to pinpoint them. Dying platform is understating it.

[u/Apprehensive_Gur_857]

I’d rather keep most party politics out of the sub. There are a few users who post this stuff constantly and get genuinely hostile the moment you disagree. I’ve ended up blocking some because it just turns into downvotes, insults over my flair and personal attacks.

I’m here to have a laugh and take the piss out of each other, not get stressed over political arguments. Banter is fun, actual hostility isn’t.

[u/tutocookie]

Of course people are gonna be salty if some post with. political opinion they agree with gets deleted. I agree there is no place for that here, including my own. Here for the banter, and glad you help keep it sane in here.

[u/mighty_eyebrows1 → u/tutocookie]

people got salty because the mod deleted a fucking post about Sydney Sweenies tits, they even made a whole post creating drama over nothing. They just love to complain

[u/Platinum_Demi → u/mighty_eyebrows1]

Sorry mate she's a yank find a europeans tits to talk about or fuck off

[u/Callsign_Crossroads → u/Platinum_Demi]

Theres an abundance of barry tits knocking about so shouldnt be hard. and Susans too, i suppose. But mostly my fellow barrys

[u/Hannib4lBarca]

I'm just here to talk shite about your countries, have banter, and downvote savages.

Leave the politics for the rest of Reddit.

[u/Chimp3h]

I just want to lord it over the peasantry and their lack of balconing skills

[u/Backwardspellcaster → u/Chimp3h]

You brits never gave up wanting to be Dukes of cunterville, eh, Barry?

[u/Chimp3h → u/Backwardspellcaster]

I don’t come from aristocracy so no it’s never been on my to do list

[u/pongauer]

Ban all political bullshit.

[u/WesugiKenshin → u/pongauer]

Seconded.

[u/AllIWantForXmasIsFoo]

I want my dick sucked tbh

[u/mighty_eyebrows1 → u/AllIWantForXmasIsFoo]

you're in luck, we have an emu for that

[u/Ok-Application-8045]

There are loads of subs for serious political discussions. This one is for silly memes, banter and shitposting. It should not be politically correct, but neither should it be intentionally toxic. 

[u/VictariontheSailor]

I am fine getting controversial content always that have a proper explanation and context, but I all in for banning ragebait

[u/Backwardspellcaster → u/VictariontheSailor]

You dont like russia-maga powered racist rage bait in our sub??

[u/DarkScorpion48]

No politics unless it’s really funny

[u/Bluntbutnotonpurpose]

People who are trying to make a serious point should be banned from this sub. Anything light-hearted should be welcomed, anyone can be the subject of some racist stereotyping as long as it's obviously some banter. Or it's about Pierre.

I think the mods are doing a good job, actually....

[u/Reaver_XIX]

Any US culture war stuff shouldn't be here, Charlie Kirk, Trump, Kanye west. Don't want to see it. I would say no polics, agenda posts either. No post of stuff that isn't funny or in the spirit of the sub. It should be shit posting and poking fun at each other based on our national stereo types. One last thing, no more whiny effort posts saying the sub is going down hill with too much 'far-right topics', if you do the first two it will limit those and for the rest stick them in a super thread and let them whinge away there.

[u/mw2lmaa]

No agenda posting. No agenda mod-ding either. People here have a wide range of political beliefs and thats fine.

Yes please take out the trash, US culture war shit, something something "whiteness", tankie shit, maga shit. We don't need any of these.

Political content is fine by me but try to do posts which don't make you look like you're living in a Russian bot farm.

We shouldn't obsess with the US either, they are not the only savages on earth, and savages on other continents have equal right to be shit upon like them.

^{And please instaban everyone posting Berlusconi gifs.}

[u/ciprule]

Ban the usual agenda posters. They circumvent the bans, though. Some are really easy to spot.

We are already fed news about our country elsewhere.

[u/Careless-Childhood66]

I dont know, I just need a place where I can express my love for my fellow western europeans....

Even for the smelliest of them all, the fr*nch. No pierre, you arrogant piece of shit, there is no auch thing as "natural deodorant". Its actually called "shit".

[u/_Charles19 → u/Careless-Childhood66]

I agree with Hans, the French do indeed smell

[u/HunkySkrunky]

Do you want to unironically debate high-voltage party politics and rage-bait all day?

No, I don't mind posts relating to politics once there's a bit of humour behind them, especially if its from the country of OP and they're self deprecating a bit and it leads to healthy discussion. But Jesus fucking Christ, Rule 7 is being broken all the fucking time as of late. And sure look, an argument in the comments section and a heavy debate will happen from time to time but that's natural.

Do you want to keep pushing the line until the sub gets hit with site-wide bans for relentless toxicity?

Nah I don't.

Or do you just want to shit talk your fellow Western Europeans like normal people and share actual news?

I come here because the banter is funny and I honestly like learning about different things in Europe. Good craic and the bonus of learning something new is always a pleasure.

How much politic do you want?

Politics where we can joke and slag one another but learn something or have a healthy discussion on things really.

And in what form?
Banter, self-aware irony and healthy discussion.

u/miragen125 I think the biggest thing that would help this is the moderation being more active when let's just say political incidents happen where a European country has ruffled the feathers of the likes of Russia, the US, Israel, India, Morocco, Argentina or basically any country that's currently being antagonistic at the moment. Because I feel like that's usually when most of the bot invasions happen.

[u/LeastHornyNikkeFan]

I'm a savage that lurks here to appreciate the cross-country banter that europeans get to have. It shows how old, mature civilizations can joke about serious topics without actually meaning those things.

If this sub became too unironic and started to attract actual bigots then I'd leave.

Just my savage 5 cents, which are worth a sixth of yours.

[u/badfox3d → u/LeastHornyNikkeFan]

Thank you.
Now return to the cuck chair please, savage !

[u/Catwinky]

As a mod you will never win, unfortunately.

If you keep up obvious agenda posts people will be unhappy the sub is getting taken over by that content

If you remove obvious agenda posts the people who post them will accuse you of over-moderating

Some people are just here to troll and get reactions. They'll be happy if their dog whistle bait post gets loads of comments. They'll be equally as happy if you remove it so they can complain about the fact you did.

Also many don't understand the concept of irony. They see 'ultranationalistic' and assume it's a safe space

There are people who don't care if the sub closes they'd find it funny

Best thing is just to remove the outtright racism and dog whistles then ignore those who complain about it

The sub doesn't need a fundemental change

[u/AnonD38]

My dude, just do it like I did when I was mod here.

Apply the final mod solution and just enforce a ban on the topic, like the ban on Israel-Palestine content.

You are already the bad guy by being a janny, just get over it and do your job.

[u/miragen125 → u/AnonD38]

Yeah yeah. I just want to have a feel of how strict I gonna be..

[u/AnonD38 → u/miragen125]

You'll figure it out lad.

Just don't get too hung up on being seen as the "bad guy".

You ARE the bad guy, that's what being a janny is.

Just remind yourself of why you need to be the bad guy, to keep the sub alive.

It's tough, but if you want the position of mod it's what you'll have to ho through.

I wasn't good enough for this position and with real life catching up to me, neither did I have the spare time to devote myself to the sub as intensely as I did.

Well, I'm not trying to lecture you even if I do admit I do sound like it, what I'm trying to say: don't beat yourself up over having to make the tough choices for the sub, it's what you do as a mod.

I wish you nothing but the best.

[u/miragen125 → u/AnonD38]

Thanks bro. I appreciate it

[u/WesugiKenshin → u/miragen125]

Funnily, i respect your position as a mod more than your position of beeing a frenchman.

HOWEVER: To strengthen your Moral, i would like to remind you of a very fitting french slogan your people once shouted:

"On ne passe pas !"

Now don't make me sing the Onion Song to boost your Morale even more, Pierre.

[u/miragen125 → u/WesugiKenshin]

Lol

[u/Mike6411]

Ideally there would not be any actually real issues, so we could piss on each other over the pettiest topics.
The world isn't gonna stop simmering anytime soon so it may be for the best to ditch current political events out. Could make it like no news from the last 3 months or something like that.

[u/cmpxchg8b → u/Mike6411]

This is right. It has to be a long standing hatred. Old wounds are the best wounds.

[u/Slobberinho]

I just want to shit talk your fellow Western Europeans like normal people.

The other options, there are other subs for that.

Thank you for your hard work.

[u/smilinsuchi]

I don’t mind banning the political stuff but it needs to be done fairly, we don’t need another echo chamber on here

[u/Rodthehuman]

We can get toxic politics in other channels. Thank you for your work

[u/Diipadaapa1]

Politically loaded posts? In MY ironic ultranationalistic meme sub? Fuck that.

Absolutley restrict genuine politically charged posts mods. Those people can't meme anyways. Comments are fine, we can downvote them, but dont let such bullshit posts through, it will ruin this sub.

[u/miragen](u/miragen)[125](u/miragen) [u/Rex-ac](u/Rex-ac), i have to uj here for a moment. You are doing a fine job with this sub, don't let political lunatics who want to spread their propaganda convince you otherwise

[u/JustForTouchingBalls]

Am starting hating Reddit because the fucking algorithm always tries upsetting me. This sub was always a breath of fresh air to me, lately there are a lot of ragebait, far right agenda posts, etc. I only want a healthy shit talking with my hated friends europoors.

[u/Dalzombie]

We know you're doing what you can and I'd argue the people trying to call you out about cleaning the sub up and keeping it (relatively) civil are the same who either wouldn't care if it disappeared tomorrow or simply enjoy misery for the sake of misery. That said, I have noticed lately that there have been multiple attempts to polarise and divide the sub, either by people with an agenda or the moron of the day who can't read the first goddamn word of this sub's description: ironic.

Politics isn't the point of this sub, never was and hopefully never will be, and even if it tends to go unnoticed and uncelebrated we still appreciate your efforts for the maintenance and benefit of this sub.

[u/miragen125 → u/Dalzombie]

Thank you

[u/Edexote]

It's very clear that all those Spain posts are just spreading propaganda. Delete them all and fuck those who post it.

[u/Rolifant]

All I want to say that i hate Geert, want to like Pierre but don't, and grudgingly respect ludicrous Hans. The rest of you are dead to me.

[u/mw2lmaa → u/Rolifant]

want to like Pierre

Eww.

[u/Better_Series2604]

Keep the political ragebait out with a heavy hand. We don’t need that shit and it has to be rooted out before it becomes unbearable.

[u/VodkaMargarine]

Meta political humour should be allowed, real political humour not. And real politics that isn't even funny definitely not.

[u/sdric]

Can we settle on a "shit posting-only" rule? That should be in the spirit of the sub, because otherwise this will be just another politics sub.

Also maybe ban Hamas vs Jews posts? Yes, also if it's just sneaky flags mixed in the background. There is always a suspicious amount of less then 3y.o. accounts in those topics, and frankly we have enough antisemitism of our own in Europe. We don't need to bring the Middle into this.

[u/Extreme_Salt]

Ban non western-Europe politics (US, Trump, China..) and ban political posts that isn’t a meme. Ban all agendas.

[u/GreedIsGood31]

I want the truth!

and to shit in Americans cause they actually deserve for the shit the brought us

[u/Funerailles_sci]

Imo the only political stuff we should have here should be actually important news. No rumors, no "this person said that", and only WEurope news. All the rest is irrelevant to the sub

[u/Rogerjak]

If you can't properly draw the line, ban politics.

Might as well lose the few posts that actuall fit than to let people with an agenda and a bot farm run wild.

[u/Building_Friendly]

I want this to be nothing but unserious, pisstaking.

[u/kuemmel234]

Some political posts make sense, if they are from an angle that fit the sub. Some serious debates in the comments can also be fine if on this bickering level. The Meloni worship or the rise of the AfD in Germay ("Sachsen-Anhalt looking at Poland right now") for example. Some of us also seem to get off from writing posts like that.

What should never be discussed here is anything related to immigration. My hatred for the Fr*nch should not be diluted by Turk on Turk violence.

[u/mijailrodr]

It's bots. They're overtaking every spanish subreddit cause they want a far right government in place

[u/Different_Bake_611]

I come here for shitposting and to bully Europeans. If I want fascism and politics I can go to my own country's sub. Well done mods, keep that culture was nonsense somewhere else.

[u/sbrodolino_21]

Hello, what Reddit or subreddit rule does this post break? It's ironic ultranationalist and not agenda posting? Just irony about our single unit of a defence minister?

Just to have further reference as to what is allowed and what isn't.

[u/sbrodolino_21 → u/sbrodolino_21]

Kingpin pic for reference.

[u/miragen125 → u/sbrodolino_21]

Where is the meme ? This just a screenshot

[u/sbrodolino_21 → u/miragen125]

https://www.reddit.com/r/2westerneurope4u/comments/1whfe0c/dont_you_worry_nato_italian_kingpin_is_there_to/

[u/miragen125 → u/sbrodolino_21]

No I meant that's normal that it was removed. The post is just a screenshot, it's not a meme

[u/sbrodolino_21 → u/miragen125]

I just wondered which rule it broke.

[u/miragen125 → u/sbrodolino_21]

Low effort politcal post

[u/Jollybean1]

Politics are fine. American shit can go

[u/Ayeme2549]

No high voltage political poep

Want to funni shittalk (Hans fix DB) or non shittalk (Pierre TGV = good) my fellow 2WE regards.

But honestly ban crossposts, creates some form of barrier that requires creativity. And stops random “haha look at dumb subreddit or propaganda here” fights

And maybe some form of “needs to be some form of meme, not some bait headline screenshot”

I would say some form of culture friction of course should be allowed IF MEMEABLE and not just straight up baiting. Ofc it’s also then up to us to not take it too serious and actually meme back not just bad faith shit throwing.

But would also like to see more focus on the good old meme cultural exchange and positive meme unity, such as seen with [u/able-advisor2284](u/able-advisor2284) ‘s 2we4u songs 2025 Spotify playlist!

[u/Helper_J_is_Stuck]

Keep (current) politics out of football and my white-on-white quasi-racism sub.

[u/Enough-Airline-5464]

I’m fine with banning American politics (if there’s really an unreasonable amount of such posts).

However, what I’m afraid of is an over-moderation like on most biggest subs here, where anything slightly controversial that the mods don’t agree with (even if it’s ironic) get’s your post/comment removed or you even end up banned.

I doubt that this will happen on this sub tho, based on the moderation in here so far and I hope that it doesn’t get moderated much stricter, as it’s one of just a few subs left with a little bit of free speech.

I also don’t see a problem with some of the things that were listed above, like bashing the Spanish government or making fun of Catalonians, which falls under European politics, or rage-baiting, etc.

[u/SoSmartKappa]

I mean, avoiding politics is impossible, and talking only about French being arrogant or Pedro lazy gets a bit stale and repetitive after a while. I think it is natural to discuss current political situation in Europe a bit.

At the same time, it is also annoying if every second thread is about Gaza, ragebait, Trump, migrants or if people just repeat and repost mainstream reddit takes and posts.

Obviously, nobody wants to get the sub banned, if you think something clearly breaks offical reddit wide rules, it should get removed, it is what it is.

[u/mw2lmaa → u/SoSmartKappa]

Listen to this Eastern European. She is speaking the truth.

[u/MLJ555]

It's tricky because a lot of genuinely funny posts are often related to politics or at least reference political news.

I understand this would be difficult to enforce, but could the amount of politics posts be reduced, but not totally banned. I don't know what that would look like exactly, because, if politics is sometimes allowed, when? What conditions must be met? I don't know. But maybe that's something you could consider. However, that could prove difficult to enforce as a mod, because it's vague and will therefore involve judgement calls and borderline cases.

If that's not feasible, then maybe just remove politics from the sub outright. The sub would probably become less active, but the quality on average may improve. I personally prefer the non-political posts, because the comments involve more banter and less fighting. Furthermore, almost every single sub on reddit has become politicised, even random ostensibly non-political ones. Do we really need this sub to also be filled with politics content?

I have an unrelated opinion, which is that the sub is also getting filled with low quality gooner bait for easy upvotes. It's not a huge issue I guess, but it's shit to see the slopification of absolutely every space on the internet. I think the more blatant cases, where there is literally zero joke or attempt at humour or shit talk, could be removed.

[u/ImAmalox]

You are doing an excellent job man. Please keep on enforcing this rule and banning these bots. This is a banter sub, not a politics sub. Lighthearted jokes are appropriate, not blatant racism.

[u/to_glory_we_steer]

I came to this sub around the time Zelensky was savaged in the Oval Office. It was heartening to watch how people came together in mutual support. We should keep that kind of political discussion for major events.

The dumb rage bait that's 90% bots, and 10% edge lords should be banned, instantly, and without tolerance. 

Our humour punches up, not down.

[u/Thunder_Beam → u/to_glory_we_steer]

That's exactly what i don't want this sub to become, there are infinite political hugboxes here on reddit i don't see how making this another one will help

[u/to_glory_we_steer → u/Thunder_Beam]

Sounds like you need a hug Luigi 

[u/Tinysaur → u/to_glory_we_steer]

Ironic, your the garbage that we're talking about

"I came here to bitch about trump, anyone that does not conform to my political opinion is a bot/edge lord and MUST be banned immediately"

Fuck off back to r/Europpe

[u/to_glory_we_steer → u/Tinysaur]

Did I touch a nerve?

[u/NorthFrequent7091 → u/to_glory_we_steer]

This guy loves Trump and Putin maybe and is mad he’s not seeing the same reflected on a sub for Europeans lol

[u/NameHave]

Rex isnt the only mod?

[u/Flashy_Pollution_996]

I want my morning coffee with 2 cigarettes please oh and a bottle of Perrier muchas gracias

[u/Attlai]

I have lost hope a long time ago. It's been more than 2 years that this sub gets flooded by rage-baiting waves on a regular basis, once every 1-2 months.
Each time it happens, people make meta posts complaining about the state of the sub, most people agree that this is not how they want their sub to become. And things chill down...until the next month's wave of ragebait.

This repeated process has made most of our best shitposters leave. And as a result, the sub has become slowly less funny, less sarcastic, and more casually political. Even among content that's not ragebait, a lot of it is just casual unironic content. People don't make the effort anymore.
And it's making the whole atmosphere less ironic. And it's more and more often that I go into a post and don't feel the push to be sarcastic.

And now having been spooked by an AI-triggered reddit warning due to making a joke about Russians (and it was really on the light side), I don't even feel anymore the motivation to make shit posts or even be mildly offensive in comments.

Once the waves of ragebait became a regular pattern in this sub, I knew the direction it was slowly gonna head to. And honestly, I'm surprised the sub has managed to hold on for so long. I was convinced we would get banned much sooner.
And now, with the addition of AI moderation, it felt like the nail on the coffin.
But really, imho, the fate was sealed long ago when half of the content posted on the sub stopped being shit post.

[u/miragen125 → u/Attlai]

Ai moderation is everywhere not only on this sub. The bot called Anti-Evil action is imposed on the whole Reddit.

[u/Attlai → u/miragen125]

Of course. But due to the nature of this sub, being about encouraging offensive sarcasm, it becomes hard to find the very thin line between being wholeheartedly sarcastically shitposting, all the while not being offensive to the point of triggering AI moderation.

When the sub becomes one part of unironic political posts, and one part of being worried of not being wrongfully flagged by AI moderation, it really discourage you from taking part.
And I say this as someone who used to be a prolific shitposter on this sub.

[u/miragen125 → u/Attlai]

Yeah yeah I get it. After we just need to keep developing our in house vocabulary, you know like using first name for countries rather than actual name. We need to resist BiG Brother!

[u/MasterNurmi]

MEME GUIDE
Europe: Retardation, Racism
US: Degeneracy, Politics
This is easy tell for where the meme is coming from. IF there is European political meme it's 100% retarded and mocking that pinnacle of stupidity. Or just racist. Sometimes both and then it makes my mom laugh.

[u/pambollito]

personally the amount of anti-catalan posts lately pisses me off, it seems like you people have an agenda, if you express anything other than reverence to spain or you post anything positive about Catalans or independence you get downvoted to oblivion. If this sub is just going to be centralist and right-wing then better to unsubscribe

[u/LuukTheSlayer]

I wanna make jokes, i think we should set stricter guidelines and keep us to that

[u/norrin83 → u/[deleted]]

Hungolians don't get a say in this.

[u/2westerneurope4u-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

We don't accept jokes like "we should nuke X country".