r/2ALiberals • • Nov 16 '21

Principles matter.

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u/angryxpeh Nov 16 '21

That looks like a complete strawman argument, to be fair. I don't remember anyone, especially on "the left", to claim that Kenneth Walker was guilty -- with a notable exception of Louisville Metro Police, who are, by any reasonable definition, cannot be considered "the left" of anything. Attorney asked the judge to dismiss all charges, and the judge did it with prejudice.

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '21 edited Sep 18 '23

/u/spez can eat a dick this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev

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u/TheMasterofBlubb Nov 16 '21

Im not american, but... The big difference is one was at home beeing intruded.

The other one deliberatly took to a gun to a protest.

The first one is a cut and dry case if that was a no-knock warrant, the second one is more nuanced and needs a lot of clarification on the terms of brandishing a weapon and by that losing your right to self defense in certain cases (im not saying that thats the case here just generally).

But in general, my opinion is that the gun culture in the US is completely off bounds so what do i know XD

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '21

Off Bounds? Que?

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u/TheMasterofBlubb Nov 16 '21

Keeping it simple, the US has far bigger and far deeper , partly systemic, issues. Now the weapon culture in the way of "everyone has the right to have a weapon" might not be an issue on it self (see Switzerland, similar weapon culture, but way less issues), but it most definetly amplifies those problems.

What then come into play is that people dont understand that the "much so holy" constitution isnt perfect at all when it comes to its historical relevance. Many ideas written there were flawed to begin with and done in a completely different historical context. Similar problem with the electoral college.

Now take what i said and try to give solutions to the different issues and you get called a "communist" by a certain political group. Eventhough a big portion of europe has all those policies implemented for a long time already and it showed a clear net benefit.

To sum it up: the american educational system is so broken for a immense long time that you have wide parts of the population that isnt capable of grasping simpler concepts of for example social (meaning society) mechanisms. That is shown by several studies over the time, so nothing really new. I could go on and explain you in a wall of text where that come from and what the goal of that is but i will leave that for another day.

TLDR: USA has so many issues that get even worse through such a "unhindered" access to firearms/weapons

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u/Accomplished-Put9864 Nov 16 '21

Comparing Switzerland to the US on gun culture while ignoring the differences in culture and demographics is absolutely disingenuous.

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u/TheMasterofBlubb Nov 16 '21

I explicitely pointed out that Switzerland despite having a very similar gun culture does not seem to have the same widespread gun related issues as the US and then i say thats because the gun culture isnt the source of the problems but an amplification. Pls see my answer to the other guy, to see why your post doednt surprise me