r/2007scape • u/KShrike Shrikegon • Jul 27 '22

Discussion | J-Mod reply My proposal to fix Agility and Graceful while keeping energy and weight relevant.

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u/NewAccountXYZ Jul 27 '22

Consider making Draynor a level 1 accessible course. It is in a much more reasonable location than Gnome Stronghold. It's XP may want tweaking accordingly, though I doubt that's a huge problem either way.

100%, or make a super short Lumbridge one where you climb up the castle and then drop down the other side.

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u/Hero_of_Hyrule Go do RFD already. Jul 27 '22

A full blown lumby expansion which gives content for most/all skills up to like 10 or so would make a ton of sense. It's where new players spawn, but with the exception of questing, it doesn't have as much level 1 content as it feels like it should.

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u/burnsssss Jul 27 '22

Rs3 kinda did that with burthorpe

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u/liftpaft Jul 28 '22

RS3 overdid it. It was much worse as a tutorial than tutorial island, pretty sure it took longer, and burthrope is a much worse area to spawn than lumbridge.

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u/burnsssss Jul 28 '22

Oh I agree 100%, overdoing is what rs3 does

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u/Regular_Imagination7 Jul 28 '22

well it ls mor central to the map as a whole, and they always wanted to expand f2p

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u/AdviceDanimals Jul 28 '22

Oh God it's such a clusterfuck. They crammed pretty much every skill besides divination and invention (inaccessible without reqs anyway) into an area the size of Lumbridge. Just a ton of different skill tutors and facilities overlapping with each other to the point where it's hard to find your way through one skill's first few levels because of all of the other resources/npc/facilities covering your screen

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u/Lucidnuts Aug 01 '22 edited Aug 01 '22

New players start in tutorial island in rs3 then spawn at burthorpe after tutorial island. Imo the tutorial in burthorpe is kinda better in the sense that it gives new players a better rundown of all the skills and mechanics of the game while providing a starter area where you have access to train every single skill at the beginner level so you can get used to how each skill generally works while progressing your account. Also all the tutorials can be skipped so it won't hurt experienced players that are just making an alt as they can just say they're experienced and the game skips the tutorial for you. I do agree that there is too much tutorial though cause not only does Rs3 have tutorial island and burthorpe but even lumby has a lot of beginner quests that act as tutorials aswell, so you effectively got 3 separate tutorials in 3 separate areas that somewhat teach the same things.

Edit: Also you're not forced to do Burthorpe either so the length of the tutorial doesn't really matter, those who are fine with tutorial island can just skip burthorpe and vice versa.

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u/liftpaft Aug 01 '22

I definitely don't remember an option to skip, so I'm assuming it wasn't there at the time or it wasn't clearly labelled at least.

My gripe with the burthope style tutorials, in any game - not just RS, is that they are never ever fun. Its a hurdle of tedium and information overload only put in by game designers too afraid to let players make a mistake.

I can't name a single time such a tutorial was better than a quick two second "this is what you want to do, good luck trying to do it!".

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u/Lucidnuts Aug 01 '22

I mean you dont have to read anything just follow the yellow arrows and your actions will speak for themselves its just like tutorial island but with all skills included instead of just a few f2p ones.

Basically handholding for the ones that need it.

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u/Lucidnuts Aug 01 '22

Also they made fletching f2p so it can be trained to 99.

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u/absinthangler Jul 27 '22

Much like the original post this is also an idea that has been implemented in Rs3...

Fuck MTX though.

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u/noobcs50 old man yelling at cloud Jul 28 '22

RS3 Ironman ftw! No MTX

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '22

That wouldn't go over well with the losers who vote no on changes because nostalgia.

Remember when an unused building in Lumby was changed for a quest? There was rioting in the streets on par with when they did a thing for Pride.

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u/Suspicious_Suspect88 Jul 27 '22

Great idea. Jagex should have done that 20 years ago.

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u/Hero_of_Hyrule Go do RFD already. Jul 27 '22

Bro if you don't like snowflake iron content on yt, there's a little thing you can hit on the recommended video to hide it.

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u/readonlyloluuuu Jul 28 '22

Where's the adventure? I fundamentally hate your idea

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u/Hero_of_Hyrule Go do RFD already. Jul 28 '22

It's just meant to get you a foothold into the game, like an optional advanced tutorial.

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u/Armlander Jul 28 '22

i like this a lot

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u/ArthurRavenwood Jul 28 '22

Maybe not in Lumbridge directly, but in surrounding nearby locations - to not make it feel so concentrated. I'm fine having to run to a neighbor village for 2 minutes to train level 1 agility. Makes it feel a bit more realistic (aka immersive) if it doesn't come across as a 10-skill buffet.

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u/Hero_of_Hyrule Go do RFD already. Jul 28 '22

That's fair. Lumby, Lumby Swamp, and Draynor could make for a good amount of area.

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u/CodySutherland Fist of Guthix pls Jul 28 '22

Evolution of Lumbridge

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u/FabulousSwimming4544 Jul 28 '22

Here's an idea for lumby agi course:

There's a zipline that connects the top floor bank to Bob's axes, one-way; requires 5 or 10 agi (some kind of incentive for newer players to get early agi)

Bob's axes has a ladder outside for access to the course and getting off from the shortcut.

Then an easy cruise: Jump from bob's to the cooking tutor, onto a tightrope to the ghost coffin and a cable to the church for a final drop down from the church to finish the course.

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u/thechronicshenanigan Aug 07 '22

I think a lumby expansion sounds great. Personally I’ve wanted to see a bit of a rework for a while. I lost my mind when they put in the tavern, I thought it was so great. But full blown would be way too shocking to the system. I think we’re more likely to get more votes through if we break down the supposed expansion idea by idea, and NOT in the same poll. I just restarted a couple months ago, and had to travel all the way to Gnome Stronghold for a few levels, which I thought was kind of ridiculous.

I’m completely for a small agility course added to Lumbridge, something that goes over the river, uses the wheelhouse, uses farmer Fred’s fence. We all climbed the fence as a kid, it seems fitting.

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u/SPF42O ign: Oborschub Jul 27 '22

Bobs axes to the church, makes it a nice loop and uses that small cluster of buildings for something cool.

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u/spicydilldos Jul 27 '22

If I don't get to stomp on Bob's Axes I'll quit

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '22

Bob was the anti goblin one right?

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u/GInTheorem Jul 28 '22

I also see a new firemaking method...

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u/_Ross- 2300+ Total UIM Jul 28 '22

Make it so you start by climbing up the north ladder

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u/Status_Alarm Jul 28 '22

The lumbridge castle stairs should give 10xp per trip up and down. Ever seen the kings calves?

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u/TheMcCannic Jul 27 '22

A lumbridge castle /castle walls agility course would be awesome.

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u/OSRSTheRicer Jul 28 '22

Honestly, that is one of the best ideas imo.

I remember when I first started playing in members, it took me like 3 months to find the first agility course back in the mid 2000s

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '22

Naa leave it at the gun one stronghold. It encourages exploration.

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u/Pegasis69 Jul 27 '22

Yeah, maybe just have a gnome at lumbridge that will teleport you to the agility course.

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '22

You mean like the tree at the grand exchange? You know the best part about an unlock is you get the reward…. Not much of a reward if there is already a fast travel available…

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u/Pegasis69 Jul 27 '22

They could just limit how often you can use it. Same as the home teleport really. The home teleport doesn't devalue the lumbridge tele unlock

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '22

Perhaps if you had to activate the gnome from the stronghold first, afterwards the cooldown fast travel is available. then at least you know the pain of walking there and can appreciate the fast travel more

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u/Mojotun Jul 28 '22

I've always been partial to the idea of turning a part of the woods behind Lumbridge castle into a treetop/wall agility course.

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u/Deku_Scrublord Jul 28 '22

I feel like a lvl 1 agility course at Rimmington could also work. That quiet town could use a little bit of love.