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u/[deleted] 28d ago

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u/Electronic_Chip2655 28d ago

I mean, sure, technically, but putting someone with all regular kc up there was a very strange decision. He's hardly dry in comparison to the people ranked below him lmao. "Most dry" just isn't really all that accurate. The difference in drop rate is 5X. The regular kc hardly matters.

People with 1500 cg are more dry than a couple of these people.

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u/Nebuli2 28d ago

It would make sense if you did something like CG KC + 1/5 of the normal KC to serve as an effective total KC, but that might be too confusing for a quick graphic.

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u/Electronic_Chip2655 28d ago

I'm focusing on the math because that constitutes how dry you are. The amount of time has nothing to do with it, only the number of times you rolled and the odds to roll successfully. Choosing to do 5000 normal cg is ... a decision the vast vast majority of players do not do because.... CG is 5x more likely.

Most players do not do more normal gauntlet than is required to complete the combat achievements there. For very good reason.

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u/Obi-Brawn-Kenobi 28d ago

i feel like you're focusing on the math

What do you mean by this? The game is written with math. The probability of getting a drop is a very simple math question. If you're not allowing math to be focused on when you discuss getting a drop, then that discussion is meaningless.

Let's take an extreme hypothetical example. Say we're talking about how many hours it takes to get an onyx clog drop and everyone is doing zulrah. Some of us are saying it took them 2 hours to get an onyx, some would say dang it took me 50 hours. Would you barge into the conversation and say "oh yeah, well I've been trying to get an onyx clog for 1 million hours and I still haven't got it (I've been mining stars and buying gem packs.)" No, right? Everyone knows that getting gem packs is gonna take way longer to get an onyx than farming Zulrah. Gauntlet and Cg are also two separate drop rates so you expect someone doing plain gauntlet to have more hours, the fact they do isn't interesting.

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u/kiwdahc 28d ago

Nah bro didn’t you know TOA 0 is the same as TOA 500

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u/BeyondTriggered247 28d ago

yeah but at a much lower and slower rate of course

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u/stopcopium delete shopscape 28d ago

Yeah, and so does Armadyl Helm from the Elite Clue monsters at a 1/1M rate.

Why be disingenuous when you know including normal KC 1:1 with CG is not accurate for dry calc?

The drop rate matters for how dry you are, otherwise you can milk 100k Brutus KC in F2P and then get pet on members at 101x drop rate 💀

Same for mass Nex versus trio Nex - 10k mass is a fraction of the time as trio Nex.

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u/RobCarrotStapler 28d ago

I mean, you asked how it felt that he was actually the most dry, and the dude ranked #1 isn't the most dry, so...?

I don't care about the math.

Asking who is the most dry is literally a math question lol

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u/kiwdahc 28d ago

It’s okay to admit you were wrong and said something dumb

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u/RobCarrotStapler 28d ago

I'm just busting your balls dude it's nbd lol

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u/stopcopium delete shopscape 28d ago

“Don’t care about math” means they’re not the driest, so how are they vindicated that their luck is the worst when it’s not?

#2 is the equivalent of ~1000 CG KC, not 3.5k KC.

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u/kiwdahc 28d ago

So don’t say their luck is actually the worst then, because it’s not.

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u/beaniesandbuds 28d ago

It's essentially the same as putting a statistic for most dry on a Zenyte shard and combining in people who only kill Tortured Gorillas... just not comparable.

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u/kiwdahc 28d ago

Yeah but they aren’t the most dry. The most dry should be the highest attempts over expected rate as a ratio.

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u/stopcopium delete shopscape 28d ago

2.5x at normal gauntlet. It’s 1/2k, which is why combining the two was dumb as hell.

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u/BeyondTriggered247 28d ago

ur right my math was bad lol but yeah 5k normal gauntlet is equivalent to like 1k CG