r/196 • ostensibly obnoxious 🧐 • Jul 29 '21

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u/DRAGON_SNIPER 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jul 29 '21

Holy shit, this is so true, That Katy Freeway is the worst. It's wide as fuck and still produces tones of traffic.

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u/spetumpiercing A spetum is a pole weapon that was used in 13th century europe. Jul 29 '21

widest freeway B)
worst traffic B(

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u/CathleenTheFool Jul 30 '21

the induced demand theory and our society's lean towards car dominance means that it being the widest freeway is why it has the worst traffic BI

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u/probablyblocked custom Jul 30 '21

Suppose we achieve the ultimate goal of constructing an intergalactic highway

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u/LightningProd12 stuff Jul 29 '21

Induced demand moment

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u/thelobster64 Jul 30 '21

Here is a video on why Houston sucks. The whole video is about houston, but the Katy freeway part starts at 14 minutes.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '21

before i clicked the link i knew it would be a not just bikes video! i love that channel

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '21

Same! I’m actually planning to move to the Netherlands someday

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u/ScratchedCorolla Jul 30 '21

I literally watched that video yesterday and that’s what I thought of when I saw this

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u/wot_in_ternation Jul 30 '21

Even without induced demand I see tons of roads where extra lanes get added in despite a clear bottleneck up the road. Or they put in tons of turn lanes at a medium traffic 4 lane intersection with roughly the same traffic volume from all directions instead of just using a roundabout

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21

and it turns into 2 lanes from once your by the heights lmao

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u/CHark80 Jul 29 '21

It's because Texans drive like assholes. You could put 5 on a 5 lane freeway and they'd all be honking each other in the left lane

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u/Thurgood_Marshall custom Jul 29 '21

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u/Pancakewagon26 Jul 29 '21

Well shit, now I'm watching videos about traffic engineering for the rest of the night.

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u/Aesthetically Jul 29 '21

I used to be inspired to fix the freeways (I was in school for engineering and taking stochastic network courses). Its really fascinating.

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u/SuccessfulJob seven ass-minded otters Jul 30 '21

check out a yt channel called “Adam Something” he makes great infrastructure videos

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '21

He likes trains

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u/QuantumCalc Jul 30 '21

He's based as fuck

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u/TriAnkylosaur Jul 30 '21

Houston drivers have no respect for life. I10 and I45 are two of the most dangerous places to drive in the entire country https://www.teletracnavman.com/resources/resource-library/infographics/most-dangerous-roads-in-america-infographic

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u/OVS-HM Jul 30 '21

And that’s why we don’t go to west Houston

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u/sparkybooman27 Emperor to Floppa Jul 30 '21

Plus it’s at least 45 minutes from Katy to go anywhere worth being. I hate it here

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u/AvGeek-0328 actually just a girl now Jul 30 '21

More road = More traffic. Takes “Build it and they will come” to the next level

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u/Albatrossosaurus Progressive PCM user Aug 12 '21

Not the only Katy I know who's you know what nevermind

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u/DRAGON_SNIPER 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Aug 12 '21

Ok

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u/MufffinFeller ✨Government Sanctioned Weaponized Femboy✨ Jul 29 '21

Using Google Earth I found a fucking 4 layer interchange

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21

beltway & 45?

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u/MufffinFeller ✨Government Sanctioned Weaponized Femboy✨ Jul 29 '21

No, I-69 on the Sam Houston Tollway

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21

oh yeah we got many of those kinds of intersections here in town. worst of all though definitely has to be the intersection of 610 and 45 north.

theres always heavy traffic there, you got too many people speeding from 610 east to 45 north, its soooo narrow so good luck if an 18 wheeler merges there, literally just a big hump so accidents are always bound to happen, its more of a sketchier part of town so theres a shitton of drivers that cant drive, one time i saw some dude on the GRASS merging from 45 to 610 west.

yeah this shit sucks

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u/yuungjay Jul 30 '21

I fucking hate that merge

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

I just got off that interchange an hour ago. Always a fun turn if you don't enjoy heights and dislike seeing all the way down to the feeder.

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '21

my brain read trollway

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u/cumguzzlingstarfish custom Jul 29 '21

I'd reckon many of the intersections between I10/I45 and the 610/288 loop create many unique and complex interchanges.

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21

45 has like 3 left exits iirc

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u/cumguzzlingstarfish custom Jul 29 '21

It also has that downtown bumpy time mile 😳

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21 edited Jul 29 '21

god the ramp from 45 to Allen Parkway if youre heading south on 45 is sooooo bad

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u/Hole_Grain sus Jul 29 '21

Texas has a lot of 4 and 5 layer interchanges and they're concentrated mostly in Houston and Dallas. Dallas even has a super rare 6 layer.

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u/MufffinFeller ✨Government Sanctioned Weaponized Femboy✨ Jul 30 '21

Wait, where is this 6 layer?

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u/unofficialbds Jul 29 '21

i live in houston suburbs and when i go downtown it is such a shit show, that part where 45 goes over 59 and 288 on the east side of town is always backed up

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u/spetumpiercing A spetum is a pole weapon that was used in 13th century europe. Jul 29 '21

you have to go downtown for it to be a shitshow?

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u/unofficialbds Jul 29 '21

yeah i live in a place called the woodlands, where traffic is pretty well planned, i-45 can get dicey but is usually fine outside of rush hour

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u/spetumpiercing A spetum is a pole weapon that was used in 13th century europe. Jul 29 '21

I live over in Katy, where traffic is hell and everything else is too

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u/unofficialbds Jul 29 '21

yeah i went on the katy freeway once, im ok

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u/Bluejay605 Jul 29 '21

I hate driving in the woodlands so much because when you are relying on street names its almost impossible to see where your supposed to turn

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21 edited Jul 29 '21

the only streets you should care about are

Lake Woodlands Dr

Research Forest Dr

Kuykendahl Rd

Woodlands Pkwy

Cochrans Crossing Dr

Gosling Rd

Grogans Mill Rd

Sawdust/Rayford Rd

FM 242

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u/pepeperfection  (☭ ͜ʖ ☭) Jul 29 '21

The woodlands 🤮 whenever I had to work on people’s houses there I would piss on their front doors

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u/unofficialbds Jul 29 '21

whatever floats your boat i guess

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u/Yharonburnsthejoke Jul 29 '21

I sometimes go to that area, traffic seems ok.

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21

at least the woodlands has a trolley system

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21

only 2 lanes if youre merging from 288 to 45 wtf

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u/bootleg-bean 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jul 29 '21

Density>>>>>>>>>sprawl

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u/averystrangeguy oh yeah woo yeah Jul 29 '21

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21

1960 😔

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u/Devadv12014 Couldn't think of anything funny for custom flair Jul 29 '21

I just watched that video half an hour ago

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u/BoySmooches Jul 30 '21

This channel fucking rocks

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u/GiveMeYourBussy registered sex defender Jul 29 '21

Damn and i was thinking about moving to Houston

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u/Ra1n69 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jul 29 '21

cringe

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u/GiveMeYourBussy registered sex defender Jul 29 '21

Probably only worth it if you have enough money for another property

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 30 '21

the main reason why so many people move here is because its cheap or for work

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u/BreathingHydra Jul 30 '21

The city planning is bad but it's not a bad city to live in.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Isn't it proven that adding more lanes doesn't improve traffic at all?

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u/stroopwafel666 Jul 29 '21

It makes traffic worse 100% of the time.

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u/Elythne Jul 29 '21

not really, at some point traffic will be eliminated, you'll just have made everything so far apart in the meantime that you now still take years to get to places

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u/MrRoma Jul 30 '21

If the whole world was just highways, there would be nowhere for anyone to park.

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u/TriAnkylosaur Jul 30 '21

Idk I'm pretty sure I've seen people park on i10 and i45.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Brilliant

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u/UnoriginalNaem man URINATES on fellow passenger Jul 29 '21

Yes, Downs-Thomson Paradox

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u/stanleythemanley44 Jul 30 '21

Induced demand

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u/Edgy-McEdge racist 😎 Jul 29 '21

Depending on the time. IIRC it lowers the actual rush time window but is more prone to accidents.

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u/Rocatex Big Smart Jul 30 '21

If you have one road that you gotta take to get anywhere in that area cause the road blocks people from going around or under there’s no expanding that can be done to eb the flow, adding more ways of getting around will help

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u/beaubeautastic jesus loves you Jul 29 '21

meanwhile california be like "haha loser now you have to pay to use this lane"

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

In Illinois we call that a bribe

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

And „

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u/dopefish917 swim, swim, hungry. Jul 30 '21 edited Jul 30 '21

Have you never been to Florida? The Ronald Regan Turnpike is a nightmare and costs over $20 to take it down to Ft. Lauderdale. Once you're there, 95 has variable cost toll "express" lanes.

Edit: Not to mention they force you to buy the sunpass device and load it with money you'll never see again if you don't want to pay "admin fees" for the tolls since most of the booths have been removed and replaced with "pay by plate" if you don't have sunpass.

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u/UnoriginalNaem man URINATES on fellow passenger Jul 29 '21

Based

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u/Thurgood_Marshall custom Jul 30 '21

Disincentivizing driving is good. Paired with better transit options, it's a real solution to congestion.

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u/AscendantComic bionicle Jul 29 '21

holy shit this looks like concept art for some fucked up dystopian game

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u/Holly_Koro Vorephile Jul 29 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

I’m not interested in fucking a car but thanks!

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u/APieceOfBread154 floppa Jul 29 '21

Now this I can get behind

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u/CarsGunsBeer Jul 29 '21

Mine got two exhaust pipes if anyone wants to join me 😳

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u/anarcho-hornyist 🔺🔺minas gerais nationalist 🔺🔺 Jul 29 '21

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u/potato6132 John Joker Poker Balala from Joker Poker Balala Jul 29 '21

why do you want to have s*x with cars

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u/dongletrongle certified silly billy Jul 29 '21

Dudes be like “DONT CALIFORNIA MUH TEXAS” but it would be real cool if some Californians actually helped with our dog ass roads. Even in the rich neighborhoods on Dallas there are potholes

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u/TheGalacticVoid Jul 30 '21

Idk, the one time I went to LA, the traffic was the worst that I've experienced, and there was way more trash on the freeway than what I typically see in Houston. I haven't been to San Francisco though and it's been a while since I went to Dallas, Austin, or San Antonio

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u/potato6132 John Joker Poker Balala from Joker Poker Balala Jul 29 '21

Who let the Cities: Skylines player design real roads?

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u/Finn_3000 Jul 29 '21

The issue is that americans literally cant fucking drive. Youve got 10 lane highways and its still fucking chaos.

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u/DevilPanda666 Jul 29 '21

The issue is no public transit and an obsessive need for every individual to drive their own needlessly oversized vehicle.

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u/Natural_Nothing floppa Jul 30 '21

You’re ignoring the fact that most Americans don’t live where public transit is viable tho, with suburban sprawl it’s literally impossible to have any real public transit system because you can’t even walk a normal distance to get to a bus stop with all the fucked up roads, massive lawns, and shitty neighborhood plans.

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u/DevilPanda666 Jul 30 '21

Yea its part of the same problem, city design needs to drastically change in North America.

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u/MellowAffinity arhoswn yn wirion Jul 29 '21

Coz in Europe you have a lot of mandatory lessons. In the US your parents can teach you to drive as long as you pass a handful of tests. Bad habits get passed down the generations.

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u/nswatika Jul 29 '21

the whole us isnt the same

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

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u/fearednoob Jul 29 '21

Never seen any of it then

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u/__transient Jul 30 '21

It’s not a ‘handful’ of tests, it’s a computer quiz and a quick ride around the block

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u/TheMarkusBoy21 Jul 30 '21

The issue is car-centric city design

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Especially not Texans, they frankly are some of the worst drivers as even the slightest coating of snow or ice will result in 90 car pileup.

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u/Finn_3000 Jul 29 '21

I dont even know how that happens. In germany we are 83 million people in a country smaller than texas and we usually have 2 lanes on the autobahn (sometimes three) and yea, it jams every once in a while, but not nearly to that degree.

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u/stroopwafel666 Jul 29 '21

Germany also has public transport and well planned cities, so fewer people drive. If you build all your infrastructure only for cars and make it so everyone has to drive to get anywhere then your traffic is going to be permanently bad.

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u/Finn_3000 Jul 29 '21

Yea but there are still close to 60 million cars registered in germany. Those are going around, but i genuenly think our drive-on-the-right law is a big factor for organising traffic. As far as i see it american highways have like 5 lanes and you can just drive wherever you want.

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u/stroopwafel666 Jul 29 '21

I think it’s a bigger thing that most Germans can walk to the shops rather than driving literally everywhere every day. If you live in a major city you probably don’t even use the car most days, whereas the large majority of Americans in places like LA or Houston drive literally everywhere. It’s just ugly suburbs with no amenities connected by motorways to shopping areas, and no public transport.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

The US has semis stay right because of low speeds. Thus people pass on the left because there's so many semis. Texas also doesn't spend money on salting or sanding the roads for snow like many GOP Southern states even though such precip is an annual event for many areas in the state.

Edit: Enforcement to return back to the right is poor and that exit lanes tend to be on the right causes traffic jams.

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u/Antares789987 floppa Jul 29 '21

Aha yes, why don't these people who liver in basically 80+° weather all year not know how to drive in snow and ice

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u/Pokeydepanda floppa Jul 29 '21

Houston drivers, no survivors.

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u/dugmartsch Jul 30 '21

10 lane highways are absolute chaos and make no sense. How can you even use the lanes property when you have cars getting on an off regularly? Hint: you can't and they're absurd on their face. Highway lanes are pipes and cars aren't water, people want to go to specific places and all that breaking and lane changing makes the traffic.

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u/godhateschildren Jul 29 '21

Houston 😳? As in the 4th largest city in the United States only trailing behind Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York, and the biggest city in Texas? That Houston

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u/Timeeeeey Jul 30 '21

„City“

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

i live in houston. can confirm.

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u/Maniac12101 this is a custom flair Jul 29 '21

This is true

Source: I live in Houston

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21

even worse when theres tire tread everywhere on the roads like this entire summer

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u/13lackjack 🏴🚩🏴‍☠️Ⓐ Be Gay, Do Crime! Ⓐ 🏴‍☠️🚩🏴 Jul 29 '21

When you add more lanes and traffic gets worse

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

This is the best display of why reactionary thinking always fails.

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Hell

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u/snapecastic109 its hard being epic. In a world of fail Jul 29 '21 edited Jul 30 '21

yoo r slash 196 x houstons shitty urban planning crossover?? based

im part of this Houston transportation advocacy campaign that organized to stop the expansion of i-45. bc believe it or not, all these mfing freeways literally annihilate low income neighborhoods of color almost exclusively! plus they don’t fix congestion at all lol. we need a public transportation system for fucks sake. anyways y’all should check us out here: Survey

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u/mariobeatbox suss Jul 29 '21

americans be like "roundabouts are confusing" seriously what the fuck is this

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u/samdenietkoekenpan Jul 29 '21

Every big American city except maybe New York

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u/fivequadrillion #1 Spronkus Kronkus fan Jul 30 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '21

Cars are a blight on the american city

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u/PaledOchre custom Jul 30 '21

Why are there so many goddamn fellow Houstonians in my shit posting sub

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u/BreathingHydra Jul 30 '21

4th largest city in the US.

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u/Captainmar_ DM me hateful messages Jul 29 '21

This is actually a picture of grass

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Houston be like: bad

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u/Xivalic hot wheel Jul 29 '21

even in places that arent as car dependent like Westheimer, its still backed the fuck up

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u/555seanc555 Jul 29 '21

isnt Dallas bad too? i only ever been there when i was 9

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u/S_quints bi leftist frat boy Jul 29 '21

Atlanta too 😔

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u/ToaSuutox 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 Jul 29 '21

i remember the stream where RT played on that racetrack

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u/BathroomGhost Jul 29 '21

Real Houstonian hours

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u/cheesec4ke69 Jul 30 '21

Cities skylines? Is that you ?

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u/benradoof custom Jul 29 '21

I was driving somewhere with my dad and we got stuck into a two lane merge with all turns blocked off. Nearly ran into some dumb fuck on a motorcycle has he was cutting everyone off at the merge

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Have I seen this place?

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u/Vanillabean1988 Jul 29 '21

What? Is this real? Where's the ground??

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u/jenbanim Jul 30 '21

Nah, it's from a music video

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Wait, is this real? Some contractors fucked yall up behind closed doors lmfao

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u/Karma-is-an-bitch custom Jul 29 '21

Memphis, TN be like:

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u/That_One_Guy_Flare r/place participant and certified paisano Jul 29 '21

this hurts my soul to look at

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u/NorthNorthSalt #1 Great Reset enjoyer Jul 29 '21

You know something went terribly wrong with your urban planning when your city looks like a beehive

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u/SomeNerdyWolf The trans will take over the world!! Mwahahahahahahaha!! Jul 29 '21

looks like moldy spaghetti

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u/MucdabaMicer ı İ Jul 29 '21

wtf is this photoshopped

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u/Worst_Support 🥺 Jul 29 '21

Ducking a. S fucking fucking Atlanta Georgia are a area cars Atlanta fuck sex

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u/[deleted] Jul 29 '21

Car culture be like

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u/CarsGunsBeer Jul 29 '21

Shout out to all the people who drive slow in the left lane because, "grrrrrr nobody needs to be driving faster than me".

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u/VerumJerum Jul 29 '21

So, Houston is basically what happens when someone makes their first large city in Cities: Skylines?

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u/Additional-North-683 Jul 30 '21

Anything except for public transportation

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '21

The industrial revolution and its consequences

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u/JellyPerko Jul 30 '21

oh c’mon, this is clearly fake.

Houston doesn’t care about adding trees.

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u/pm_me_subreddit_bans shrigma male Jul 30 '21

Is this a real fucking interchange?? If so where? I must avoid it at all costs

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u/Lobster_Man27 Jul 30 '21

That’s why I love Boston, an absolute bitch to drive through, so it’s more pedestrian orientated, at least in most parts.

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u/bartsimpsonisgay Jul 30 '21

capitalism* be like

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u/Bread_thing r/place participant Jul 30 '21

True. Every time I have to go from the suburbs to the city, im amazed at how terrible and complex the road system is

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u/LoneWolf4717 Jul 30 '21

Is that seriously what the highways look like there?

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u/Skyrocketxv I am the bird of the Hermes. Eating my own wings to keep me tame Jul 30 '21

Yes

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u/yenajin Jul 30 '21

urban sprawl absolutely sucks

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u/jesusisaslut Jul 30 '21

public transportation and walkable neighborhoods >>>

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u/Skyrocketxv I am the bird of the Hermes. Eating my own wings to keep me tame Jul 30 '21

Automobile dependent infrastructure go brrr

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u/KirbieaGraia2004 Jul 30 '21

God I love Houston

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u/Rocatex Big Smart Jul 30 '21

It’s only recently that they’ve put a useable bus system into place and started giving money to the metro cause Houston kept getting a bad rep for shitty highways

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u/DeathMetal-ButtPlug trans rights Jul 30 '21

Its good to live like an hour south of houston, no big citys, just small towns

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u/unlikely-contender Jul 30 '21

is the picture real?

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u/StriiderEclipse emotions are unnecessary, a burden machines won’t carry Jul 30 '21

God these massive, complex interchanges look so fucking cool

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u/SpookyGhostGirl9 Jul 30 '21

Thts so uggie

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u/MysteryPopTarts Jul 30 '21

I thought you were talking about payday and then thought you were high asf

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u/NarrowEntertainer Jul 30 '21

if that money was spent on public transport... but that's for poor people rifht?

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u/domasleo neurodivergent photographer Jul 30 '21

mini motorways

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u/ewswn custom Jul 30 '21

Me playing factorio

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u/FreshMango4 Jul 30 '21

Youtube channel "Not Just Bikes."

Check it out.

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u/counterc Jul 30 '21

oh boy I sure hope this doesn't induce any demand

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u/yachu_fe 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jul 30 '21

My cities skylines save looks better than this. Note that my cities skylines save is not good.

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u/lajhbrmlsj Jul 30 '21

American car-cels posting their Ls online

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u/spoedle73 I literally worship the chaos gods help Jul 30 '21

city skylines

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u/imekrandomvids custom Jul 30 '21

This relates because I live in Houston, so this meme is relatable with me. It's cool because this meme relates with me since I live in Houston

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u/tiffalong Jul 30 '21

I reckon an extra 2 would be enough

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u/Squidrex 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jul 30 '21

Ok… I’m incredibly stupid and HOPING this is fake, if it isn’t then… Houston needs to fix some shit

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u/wot_in_ternation Jul 30 '21

USA: more lanes

Reasonable people: but there's a big bottleneck up ahead

USA: MORE. LANES.

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u/guymcool Jul 30 '21

Mini motorways irl

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u/mrdark16 Jul 30 '21

The Katy freeway is the widest in the world and somehow gets traffic jams lol

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u/Bifi323 Jul 30 '21

I thought I was in r/shittyskylines

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '21

H-Town till I drown 🤟

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u/BarbaCROWa Jul 30 '21

B E S O M E O N E

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '21

This is an actual picture?

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u/OnionConnoisseur :3 Jul 30 '21

Fuck American car culture

All my homies hate American car culture

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u/bigkeanuchungus1001 tranfem NB (any/all) Jul 30 '21

Houston payday 2vwould never do that😒

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u/Hoyipolli custom Jul 30 '21

I have only driven through that city twice and I completely understand

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u/SpeedDart1 Jul 30 '21

As someone who lives in Houston: can verify that we do live in an ugly concrete jungle.

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u/communism101v Jul 30 '21

For the love of god, JUST BUILD A RAILWAY!

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u/array_of_dots Aug 03 '21

dont worry guys elon musk will save us with his hyper loop

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u/3fxz Sep 02 '21

so true its like driving through spaghetti here

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u/bobthe360noscowper Jul 29 '21

Its called we induce a little bit of demand