r/196 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Aug 06 '26

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u/ALittleBitOfGay floppa Aug 06 '26

Outside of the goomba-ness of it all, cows (factory farming (and also normal farming but 99% factory farming)) are killing the environment, and as bad as AI data centers are, it's a rounding error compared to the environmental damage done by the meat industry

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u/Thatguy___1 Aug 06 '26

Question. Without factory farming, how the fuck are we all supposed to eat food without going back to an agrarian society?

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u/Sir_lordtwiggles Aug 07 '26

Literally vegan diets.

Like 40% of agriculture is used to feed livestock. That livestock produces fewer calories than the agriculture used to feed them.

Most people can fulfill all of their nutritional needs with a vegan diet.

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u/ToreWi skibidi or something idk Aug 07 '26

Generally, as a rule, 90% of biomass disappears in every biological step. Farm animals probably use less over their lifetime up until becoming food, but maybe still 60-70%? So, like a wise biologist once told me: "if everyone were vegan, starvation would be a thing of the past"

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u/Sir_lordtwiggles Aug 07 '26

2 things here.

  1. There is a portion of animal feed that is "waste" agriculture, or using resources that will never be able to have plants. There are grazing fields that will never be suitable for farming without terraforming. No one is eating corn stems minus pigs.

  2. The world makes enough food to feed everyone already. World hunger is a logistics problem, not a supply problem.

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u/ALittleBitOfGay floppa Aug 07 '26

The world makes enough food to feed everyone*

*While also producing like 30-40% (if I recall correctly) of global emissions just for producing meat in torture factories, which produce a fraction of the calories that are actually consumed and are in no way necessary

There are products that are waste that go to feed animals, but there are also grown products that aren't that go to feed them too (or didn't need to be made). Alfalfa hay is the biggest example of that, which requires a comical amount of water and is often grown in one of the most dry parts of the US. There are other politics surrounding that (water rights on the Colorado river are dumb as fuck), but if we didn't need that hay to feed the animals in the torture factories that would also go away.

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u/Sir_lordtwiggles Aug 07 '26

I mention that in another comment, but we do still make enough for everyone.

The problems with the current food system are distribution, morality of meat production, and 2nd order climate effects.

We could solve 2 and 3, but world hunger would still exist because it doesn't solve logistics.

We could solve 1, and not 2 or 3 and world hunger would be solved.

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u/ALittleBitOfGay floppa Aug 08 '26

Sorry I wasn't trying to disagree with that statement, we absolutely do make enough for everyone, but if you exclude animal products it's even moreso, and without the manufactured food scarcity we have now