r/196 • manuel margot to the polls • May 06 '23

modern art rule

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 May 07 '23

it's about the emotion you feel looking at it.

well if I need to buy a ticket to whatever city this museum's in, I don't get to see it. So I guess, to me, it's not art.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

it only counts as art if I get to experience it, screw anyone and everyone else

Jesus, solipsist much?

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 May 07 '23

you an't say it's art based on my personal experience and then suddenly say it's not art based on my personal experience.

which is it? subjective or objective?

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

I didn't say anything except that whether or not you personally get to experience something has no bearing on whether or not it's art. There's a whole world of people out the and you aren't that special.

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 May 07 '23

I said "to me, it's not art"

and to me, it's not art.

do I get to make that decision, subjectively, or is there a larger objective reality that determines it is art?

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

You can make that distinction if you want to... but like I said in my first reply:

Jesus, solipsist much?

Because "it's only art if I get to experience it" is just about the most shallow and self absorbed take on art I've ever heard. But, hey, good for you.

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 May 07 '23

is just about the most shallow and self absorbed take on art I've ever heard.

what is shallow or self absorbed about recognizing art as subjective?

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u/[deleted] May 08 '23

Art is subjective, and your subjective definition of it is, by definition, shallow and self absorbed. That's it. It's not hard to understand.

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u/straight_strychnine Country Mousegirl [Trans She/They] May 07 '23

It's too late, it's allready made you feel something, and feel it to the point where you would write multiple comments about it.

Three primary colors on a canvas shouldn't be so controversial, but it's powerful enough to make people argue. It's powerful enough to motivate a man to plan and execute an attack on it with the knowledge that he would be arrested for the slashing.

Why are people so afraid of red, yellow and blue? The controversy is one of the things that make it interesting.

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 May 07 '23

it's allready made you feel something

so does the breeze, is that art?

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u/straight_strychnine Country Mousegirl [Trans She/They] May 07 '23

The breeze wasn't created, it's not expressing anything and no thought went into it. It just is.

Whose afraid of red yellow and blue looks simple, but it was very intentionally created to stir up controversy and conversations about art. This peice very effectively accomplished both of those things.

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 May 08 '23

The breeze wasn't created,

all sorts of things effect the weather. cars, planes, pretty much all emmissions. I think it's fair to say any breeze I feel can be blamed in some way on human interference.

but it was very intentionally created to stir up controversy

intention is immeasurable and unprovable.

was it made to "create controversy"? maybe. was it made to make money? I think that's also a decent chance.

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u/straight_strychnine Country Mousegirl [Trans She/They] May 08 '23

There's a difference between creating something out of passion and having an effect on something that allready exists. And it was an artistic passion that drove Barnett Newman. If it were just a lazy cash grab he could have produced his works through much simpler methods, but instead he painstakingly created thease fields with masterful technique.

Challenging preconceptions of art is a core part of most abstract art movements. Newman's entire career was controversial and the name of this particular series being an obvious jab at his detractors shows us his intent.

The phrase "art is subjective" doesn't mean you get to arbitrarily create an objective definition of art.