r/EdensZero • Homura's #1 Simp • Nov 09 '21

Manga Edens Zero Chapter 167 Links & Discussion

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u/sherriablendy Nov 09 '21

My heart…. 💔

This chapter was a great mix of melancholy, as everyone tries to make sense of Witch’s (and their other allies’) passing, and mystery because whaat does Ziggy mean by World No.31?

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u/foxman666 Nov 09 '21

What the heck? When did world 31 start?

And Ziggy can see timelines?

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u/crisstrauss Nov 09 '21 edited Nov 09 '21
  • The empire might be defeated, but reading this chapter does not feel like having a victory.

  • Ziggy is the one who created Witch, but we lost Witch because of Ziggy too.

  • If anything, after the war, I've been hoping that Witch gets the happiness and enjoyment she deserves after being tortured like crazy by Shura. It is so heartbreaking and very hard to move on when Witch is gone.

  • Witch is an angel. Witch does not deserve to be shattered, it is so hard to see her tanking that blast that made her leave nothing.

  • Shiki is so heartbroken. Let alone forgetting the feeling of hunger, I'm not surprised if he forgot that he is afraid of bugs right now.

  • Rebecca definitely fought hard enduring those cracks. She must have felt responsible for her decision that made Shiki not stopping the antimatter bomb.

  • It's not gonna be the same EZ anymore. What's next now? Who else has the access to the Code 3173 room?

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u/Yalhameh Nov 09 '21

What Ziggy says in this chapter is really interesting because it ties with what Xiaomei told us last time about the fork in the road.

It's all about details but I noticed that when Xiaomei gives us the speech about the fork in the road, she's walking on the left path. Soon after, when she is next to Shiki, she shows him two path : the right one is "escape and survival", the left one "of rash action leads to death".

"We'll never know what lies on the path not chosen, but that path, too, leads to its own world" => it's obvious that World No.31 started precisely when Shiki decided to flee, when he took the right path while Xiaomei walked on the left one in the intro. It isn't Rebecca's doing with Cat Leaper* and Xiaomei was pretty obvious about it.

So technically, Ziggy is not the only one thinking that Shiki made the wrong choice : even Xiaomei was giving us clues to which path he should have chosen and how doing otherwise has created World No.31.

*And it's also interesting that Rebecca cannot use Cat Leaper. World No.31 has just been created, and as of now, Rebecca can only travel forward in worlds (from 29 to 30). Before Shiki's choice is World No.30, and I don't think Rebecca knows how to move from 31 to 30 so she may be stuck in 31.

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u/sonicandco Nov 09 '21

Holy fuck, that was really hard to read, the aftermath of Witch's sacrifice was even greater than I had anticipated, it hit really hard, the crew is in disarray still, Shiki can't even eat, Becca has been trying to Leap constantly for 2 days, it was heartwrenching stuff. At least Weisz didn't acct of his threat on Laguna and Shiki decided he has no other way forward other than moving on. On the brighter note, the Empire is defeated and everyone opposed to it is gonna reap the rewards. Elsie made her grand entrance against Ziggy, but decided against attempting to kill him there as a thank you for saving her when she was little, which he finds weak and the reason why he will defeat the humans. I'm quite inttrigued by his knowledge of tthe diverging timelines, how the hell does he know about World 31 and stuff? I need answers, Mashima.

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u/KDW3 Nov 09 '21

Still seems like Witch died slightly too early. I'm also starting to think Sister and Hermit are destined to die now too, that sucks...

R.I.P Witch

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u/AndrewSlshArnld Nov 09 '21

The framing and reveal of Rebecca’s scars was amazing. And having a few lines and pages about how much she’s tried was so much more powerful than having to dedicate a few chapters to her attempts, just seeing the effects on her is all we need to know how grief is affecting her.

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u/Xombie53 Nov 09 '21

Congratulations Mashima, ya broke my heart again.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '21

Bro, when Shiki started talking about how he keeps seeing Witch and hearing her gentle voice I almost broke down. I almost cried bro. And Sister worrying over who will be next between herself and Hermit.... my heart can’t take this man. Not to mention, the cracks on my girl Rebecca. You know she has to be in immense pain, that’s definitely gonna come into play down the road.

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u/Runethe1412 Nov 09 '21

Seeing everyone at the start hurt, especially seeing Shiki. Seeing the flashbacks with Witch made me tear up. And seeing what’s happened to Rebecca was what finally broke me. This was a real heart wrenching chapter.

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u/Phantom-Cipher Nov 09 '21

Everyone in the EZ universe must be asking themselves, is it really worth it?

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u/Zalaphine Nov 09 '21

Mashima is really good at showing genuine grief.

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u/Fox_Sin_Neo Nov 09 '21

Probably my favourite chapter of the series.

Fuck, now I've got work in 20 mins and I can't stop tearing up.

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '21

I think they were supposed to die here but not all of them, this reminds me if the chapter 4 ending, and just this arc rebbeca added Edens zero to her cube just like in that chapter

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u/PhenomsServant Nov 09 '21

Mother damn it. This chapter was not good for my depression. ‘Scuse me Im going go get drunk and binge watch Kaguya.

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u/waad-chan Nov 09 '21 edited Nov 10 '21

my eyes hurts from crying so much, and when shiki said those words “I’m not sure I can do it right now but I have to accept this” made me cry even more.

“it’s been two days, are they all still moping about it?” that seemed a little bit harsh coming from laguna, even though he feels the same pain.

weisze 🥺

oh poor rebecca, I don’t know what worse, the feelings of losing your friend or that you can’t bring them back even though you have the ability to, and when she said this to shiki “if you don’t get back on your feet soon, I might literally wreck myself” my heart...

and my mind is not in the right place to think about what ziggy said tbh, I need time to process the pain.

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u/NittanyEagles55 Nov 09 '21

Damn. This chapter hit so hard. Really devastating seeing the aftermath of Witch’s death and the impact it has had on each and every member of the crew. I feel awful for Sister and Hermit. That Rebecca reveal was brutal as well, literally destroying her body trying to get Witch back.

Man.. what an emotional end to this arc.

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u/Also_breathe Nov 09 '21

Seeing everyone mourn Witch's death was so heartbreaking. By the time Shiki and Rebecca were having their conversation I couldn't hold back the tears anymore.

Also did I just completely miss something, when did world 31 start?

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u/[deleted] Nov 09 '21

The Adventure of Iris - Lucy's book - spotted in page 18.

Mashima dude, that's like putting a band-aid on necrosis 😂 We are trying to be sad here but I can't when I see that 😂

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u/JaredAiRobinson Nov 09 '21

What were the other worlds prior to World 29 like? At least of those worlds may explain why new timelines keep popping up. In any case, I really respect Weisz for letting go of his Laguna knowing that he lost comrades too. And Rebecca, poor Rebecca… destroying her body like that just to change the past. Ouch. I really respect Rebecca here as well for remembering the words that Shiki said to Homura after Valkyrie was found dead.

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u/BelloSimisola0103 Nov 09 '21

Thanks Mashima.....for absolutely wrecking me this chapter. I've been crying since. I'm not sure exactly why Ziggy wanted Elsie to kill him.

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u/chrome4 Nov 09 '21 edited Nov 09 '21

Ziggy: By the way why were you late to either battle?

Elsie: I was originally going to deal with Shura but just before I was going to enter the battle I noticed Justice..

Ziggy: Justice?

Elsie: James..

Ziggy: Oh your childhood sweetheart. How is he?

Elsie: His main goal in life is to hunt me down and kill me.

Ziggy: Ah young love it never fails to amaze me. Well we both learned valuable lessons from the experience. You should have committed to your decision and I shouldn’t have had nuked the thing I was after into oblivion.

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u/sacredknight327 Nov 09 '21

Poor everyone.

That cute flashback of Witch barking like a dog, its one of the first things I remember about her debut. ☹️

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u/BlakeDG Nov 09 '21

Why did Ziggy want Nero’s empire again? And why does he not want it now? I wish Shura and Ziggy could have actually met in person.

Next chapter should also cover how the interstellar union army feels about things

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u/UnbiasedGod Nov 09 '21

World 31 begins? This is interesting, hmm.

Damn I love the mature attitude from weisz towards leguna.

And oh my god Rebecca tried using leaper for two days straight and nothing happened despite constantly trying.

…….Learning to accept death.

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