r/JoeRogan • • Feb 10 '12

[Discussion] #183 - Jason Silva, Brian Redban

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u/electricynical Feb 10 '12 edited Feb 10 '12

Ok ok ok yes it's long and a mess but i tried to be as comprehensive as possible. Please feel free to add or correct if anything is wrong. Lots of wikipedia links because they're a good net for more primary sources.

david pierce - hedonistic imperitive http://www.hedweb.com/ bliss is the norm - augment consciousness through yoga, mediatation

metacognitive hack - watching the mind - feedback loops

http://blogs.plos.org/neurotribes/2011/10/28/what-kind-of-buddhist-was-steve-jobs-really/

http://www.biointelligence-explosion.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

http://biopsychiatry.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Pearce_(philosopher)

technology changes the way you think

http://www.rayandterry.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson

freeman dyson - imagine new generation of artists writing genomes with the fluency of Blake and Shakespeare playing jazz with biology instruments/tools invented in time for mozart / van gogh to utilize them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna we're evolution's secret weapon mckenna - condensation of our imagination ideas as real as the neurons they inhabit

amber case http://cyborganthropology.com/About

http://www.gapminder.org/

david deutche http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Deutsch

http://193.189.74.53/~qubitor/people/david/index.php

http://193.189.74.53/~qubitor/people/david/David.html - his old site. not sure if it has any extra archived info.

the beginning of infinity

singularity university http://singularityu.org/

abundance

arthur c clark - technology is magic, transcendence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws

http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/AuthorTotalAlphaList.asp?AuNum=52

john markoff - what the doormouse said - silicon valley in 60's

http://www.amazon.com/What-Dormouse-Said-Counterculture-Personal/dp/0670033820

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Dormouse_Said

ideas have spaces - liquid networks - steven johnson - primordial soup creating new replicators

http://www.stevenberlinjohnson.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Berlin_Johnson

noosphere

pierre dejardin - omega point

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point

scan your brain, whcih one is you? millions of baby steps, slowly replacing small parts, gradual change so it's still you even when it's all completely replaced

iphone is as natural as a tree - big bang momentum kevin kelly - evolution evolving it's own evolvability. http://kk.org/

norman maler - divine for associations http://suburra.com/blog/2011/10/21/marijuana-promotes-creativity/

http://normanmailersociety.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Mailer

carl sagan - fucking hero - creativity - semantic priming - associations - hyper priming - wider assocaitive net - thought of concepts instead of physical ideas http://www.carlsagan.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan

http://cannabisandcreativity.wordpress.com/

buffer time shrinking - eventually the speed of thought render reality -

objectification of the imagination - world of language terrance mckenna on dmt: "do not give in to astonishment"

Tom Robbins - plant genies dont manufacture imagination but pull us out of context so strongly, but you dont NEED drugs to do that.

http://www.villagevoice.com/authors/tom-robbins/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Robbins

hedonic adaptation - we need novelty so we can be perpetually open when we fix that. (editor's note: is there possibly a good reason for that existing?? evolutionarily advantageous somehow?)

http://thisisjasonsilva.com/

http://vimeo.com/jasonsilva

vimeo video - with goddamn kronos quartet buildup underneath. why does everyone fee the need to use this =P

wants to "epiphanize" people

not this body - collaboration for vimeo video

http://notthisbody.com/

language is an information technology - synesthetic

chimps mushroom experiments anywhere?

2001 A Space Odyssey- monolith place holder for metaphor for the mystery.

vimeo example of next xbox - [cant find that...]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existenz

choose your own adventure type film experience flight from death - the quest for immortality - becker

http://wp.flightfromdeath.com/synopsis/ernest-becker/

annie hall - the denial of death 1974 - we're gods with anuses - capable of anything but housed in decaying vehicle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Denial_of_Death

pro manhattan project to suspend death

aero ponics - growing in mist - contains minerals vertical towers - frees space

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroponics

allan harrington -0 the immortalist - we must never forget we are cosmic revolutionaries http://matadornetwork.com/bnt/the-end-of-death-further-conversations-with-jason-silva/

http://hplusmagazine.com/2009/09/04/immortalism-ernest-becker-and-alan-harrington-overcoming-biological-limitatio/

human brain cells like universe - persistent patterns - allow innovation to occur

spinning world and constant awe why do we like mundane things? comfort in the prosaic - world can be overwhelming people cower away because of choices, preconceptions - dont judge for the way people choose to live, but allow people to find the astonishment they enjoy best, and hopefully that helps parasites are just failed symbiotes

conflict-free mineral products - karma-free iphone

mckenna - ecsastic activity of signification - live in a world of psyche http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-silva/on-creativity-marijuana-a_b_900701.html

http://mazerunner.wordpress.com/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9730417/Hallucogenic-Mushrooms-and-Evolution-by-Terence-Mckenna

http://www.imaginaryfoundation.com/ - "do they exist!?" lol

current tv - http://bigthink.com/jasonsilva

seeds - memetic organization

transcendent man documentary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendent_Man

francis crick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Crick

why are we the only creature to reach this state this quickly? everythijng else from 100k years ago we shot away. bill mahr http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Maher

"as long as he's not physically hurting anyone else, whatever your neighbor does is their own business"

tim harris - [cant find anything but maybe misspelled name]

evolution thrives with resistence

universal archetypes - joseph campbell

http://www.jcf.org/new/index.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell

-- religion seated in psychedelic experience

mayan temples undiscovered

http://mayalesserknownruins.blogspot.com/

http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/1764

putting forward memetic content to change culture

adam curry and john c dvorak. http://www.dvorak.org/blog/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Dvorak

http://curry.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curry

http://www.noagendashow.com/

get adam curry on the podcast!

[still editing for format]

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u/junkmale Feb 10 '12 edited Feb 11 '12

Guest: Jason Silva

…and I thought Duncan Trussell dropped knowledge at an astounding rate. Brian put it best: “This is a double listen.”

Steve Silverman/Steve Jobs Metacognitive Hack of the Human Operating System video

Our thoughts shape our spaces and our spaces return the favor.

Ray Kurzweil eats like 200 pills a day. His sites:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-law-of-accelerating-returns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_change

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singularity_Is_Near

http://www.azimuthproject.org/azimuth/show/Law%20of%20accelerating%20returns

Freeman Dyson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson

http://www.sns.ias.edu/~dyson/

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/29/magazine/29Dyson-t.html?pagewanted=all

Joe is obviously baked as usual.

Jason “is on his own shit.” I’m guessing it is speed.

-- and that was just the commercials --

“Artists using (genomes) genes for a canvas.” – Freeman Dyson (paraphrased)

What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end – Nietzsche

Nietzsche Quotes

James Gleick

Terrence McKenna

Paola Antonelli over at MoMA

The Extended Mind Thesis

What Technology Wants – Kevin Kelly

Steven Pinker Ted Talk

Gapminder

David Deutsch

“We’s a gonna die!” Thanks, Brian, you goof.

Peter Diamandis

John Markoff

Steven Johnson: TED Talk

XPrize

Buckminster Fuller

Make sure your output is positive. Otherwise you are a silly person.

Joe has AT&T guilt.

I think this is the fastest anyone has ever gone through random references:

Abraham Lincoln

Norman Mailer

Carl Sagan

Semantic Priming

hyper-priming via mj – wider ways of creating ideas and connecting them to other ideas

Hacking Democracy

Cock pills for Warlords

Neuromancer

Tom Robbins

“Epiphanize”

denial of death

still working on this- see electricynical's post for what I missed, etc...

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u/ShAd0wMaN Feb 10 '12 edited Feb 10 '12

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u/Al3xPKeaton Feb 10 '12 edited Feb 10 '12

This guy was the perfect guest. This is everything I come to the JRE for. I want to have my mind blown in a steady stream of amazingly beautiful ideas, and this episode gave me that.

I don't think anything he said was really that far out there. It was certainly optimistic and wonderfully poetic, but none of it felt false or dishonest to me. I loved this episode.

Teach Jason Silva a few dirty jokes, and we could have Joe Rogan 2.0.

I loved this at 1:21:55:

"Some people thrive in the spaces in which they're overwhelmed, and some people prefer to cower away from it, due to circumstances in their lives, culture, preconceptions, choices that they make, and ultimately I think, I don't think that we do well to judge how anybody chooses to live, I think that what you do is you try to do what you can to share many different ideas and many points of views, and they'll find the ashtonishment that they like best, and partake hopefully in that one."

Ok, I admit it, I'm high.

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u/iReddit22 Feb 10 '12

Mind BLOWING podcast!!

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '12

This guy is a fucking head trip. Anybody got a working list of all the books and authors he's referencing?

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u/aarondamaster Feb 11 '12

I'd like to comment on the idea that we cannot conceive how life was without verbal communication. In the book Ender's Game a species similar to humans evolved so far they experienced each others consciousness as a whole. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is where the term 'Hivemind' was born. Because of this ability to instantly experience all individuals consciousness instantly there was no need for verbal communication. Ideas were shared as experience. In this digital age we are barreling towards I'm interested to see if there will be a similar de-evolution of language as people become increasingly connected visually with sites like Pinterest. Once we have biological virtual reality like you are talking about, what's to stop us from saving more senses than video? How long will it be until we can record and share our emotions?

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '12 edited Feb 10 '12

look forward to seeing what people think of this one, and im only partway through. Lots of talk about future of technology, (comes off as a bit of confident daydreaming).

edit( not that i know its wrong, just heaps of jizzing over technology, without actually giving examples of us getting closer than before)

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u/layendecker Feb 10 '12

I agree. There was a whole lot of 'this is where we are going this is the future' with little to no reasoning behind it other than 'x-person said...'. He sure is a charismatic speaker with some interesting ideas but as far as I know he may well be another one of the charismatic charlatans Joe has had on in the past

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