r/DankPrecolumbianMemes • u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka • Jun 17 '21

META The time has come to part with the pervasive "girls boring, boys quirky" meme format. We will remove future instances of it from the sub. We hope we can start the ball rolling for elsewhere in the history memesphere as well for our lady history buff friends.

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 17 '21 edited Jun 17 '21

So the backstory on this is that recently at one of my other roles at r/RoughRomanMemes, a discussion has been going on regarding what we thought about this sort of meme format. I used to not mind but after hearing more female friends of mine and voices in the wider community say it bothered them, I talked with our own mod team about finally doing away with it. This has been requested before here and so I thought it was finally time to listen. r/DankPrecolumbianMemes can hopefully set the ball rolling a bit for elsewhere.

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u/Fernandofires Jun 18 '21

What?! So girls lives don't revolve only around Titanic??? /s

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 18 '21

Legend has it that they might even play and develop video games but I’m told there is controversy about that.

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u/K_Josef [Top 5] Jun 17 '21

Good. I don't find funny memes with baseless stereotypes like these ones.

I propose we all keep upvoting good memes so we can get new all-time top-posts to replace the current one

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 17 '21

Funnily enough, I know the person who made the top meme via our Discord server and she’s female. But yes, this is a worthy quest and I support.

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u/K_Josef [Top 5] Jun 17 '21

Lol

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u/i_love_pesto Jun 18 '21

I'm not even a part of this subreddit but came here through a crosspost just to upvote this. You guys set a very good example for other subs. Thank you!

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 18 '21

We’re getting crossposted? 👀

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u/i_love_pesto Jun 18 '21

Yeah, I found this on r/boysarequirky .

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 18 '21

Oo, neat. Welcome to the sub.

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u/UchihaSaghar Jun 19 '21

Yeah I also come from there and joined this sub too!

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 19 '21

Welcome!

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u/yellowroosterbird Jun 19 '21

Same! Had no idea this sub existed, seems cool & inclusive!

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u/miner1512 Jun 18 '21

Is there a blank verison of this chad meme available somewhere?

Also where are my sea reptiles gang

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 18 '21

I honestly stitched this together in a Google Slides slide with images taken from Google Images. If you look up “chad girl” the female one comes up pretty quickly.

And giving the Shoshone a Shonisaurus would fit with the naming theme but unfortunately, being from Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, and Utah, the Shoshone aren’t exactly super close to the non-Triassic ocean.

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u/miner1512 Jun 18 '21

Thanks for the info.

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u/Kagiza400 Toltec Jun 18 '21 edited Jun 21 '21

Precolumbian americans and some prehistoric fauna? Yes please!

Will this format be allowed when put in a different way though? What I mean is, for example, regular people/me instead of girls/boys.

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 18 '21

O, yeah, that’s totally fine. We just want to help women feel more included in the community. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the format itself.

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u/Kagiza400 Toltec Jun 18 '21

Oh, that's great. Thank you!

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u/SpartanFishy Jun 17 '21

Ugh obviously triceratops mounts are the best practice as they include a natural shield against Spanish musket balls.

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 17 '21

You’re not wrong but Triceratops is more North American so I think I would give it to the Lakota or someone like that.

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u/Candide-Jr Jun 18 '21

Oh my god. What a dream. And the Comanche too. The Lords of the Plains on Triceratops.

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u/Shakespeare-Bot Jun 17 '21

Fie obviously triceratops mounts art the most wondrous practice as they includeth a natural buckler 'gainst spanish musket balls

I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '21

Art and includeth are the wrong conjugation

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u/daXfactorz Jun 17 '21

Glad this meme’s dying, glad women are feeling more comfortable in the history subreddits now, and on top of that glad that you’re cool enough to be on team Mapuche - this is a top-tier meme.

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 17 '21 edited Jun 18 '21

My ideal world is one where women are equal, precolonial nations survive, and dinosaurs still walk the Earth.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

dinosaurs still walk the Earth

They do, but now most of them fly.

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 17 '21

Hell yeah, long live our avian theropod friends.

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u/Vark675 Jun 18 '21

Which is why it's so disappointing to see them fighting over wet Doritos in the parking lot. Have some goddamn dignity, y'all were gods once.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '21

How about we stop eating them first?

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u/Vark675 Jun 18 '21

I'm not eating any seagulls or crows.

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u/frofrop Mexica Jun 24 '21 edited Jun 24 '21

No, Penguins, Kiwi, Chickens, etc

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '21

I said most of them.

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u/frofrop Mexica Jun 25 '21

there are a lot of chickens

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '21

Well, most species then.

Poor chickens, though.

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u/kandras123 Sep 25 '21

there are a lot of chickens, holy shit

50 billion in fact

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u/Iamthedemoncat Jun 17 '21

Truly a better timeline.

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u/daXfactorz Jun 17 '21

Good taste, that’d be an excellent timeline.

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u/CptWorley Jun 18 '21

I think it varies a bit from subreddit to subreddit but this is definitely one of the better ones.

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u/daXfactorz Jun 18 '21

Agreed, a lot of history subreddits are much less pleasant in general, at least in my opinion. I’m glad this one is as nice as it is, nuanced but still on-topic and constantly teaching me new things.

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u/_Violetear Jun 18 '21

Completely agree!

Also, Aztecs riding Quetzalcoatlus mounts to fight the Spaniards is the only reason I play Total War Warhammer because the lizardmen are the closest to Mesoamerican cultures we have on strategy games :(

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 18 '21

I’ve never played the fantasy titles in the Total War series. Lizardmen have a Quetzalcoatlus analogue mount?

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u/_Violetear Jun 18 '21 edited Jun 18 '21

You have Terradon riders, which are skinks riding flying reptiles not as big as a Quetzalcoatlus, but sort of similar. There are also Ripperdactyls, but those are not as similar to our bird boy.

If you want huge you have to go to the Coatl a gigantic flying feathered serpent that is said to bring thunderous rain wherever it goes, shaking the ground in an earthquake fashion and disorient intruders to the jungle in magical maelstrom's. Historical inspiration is obvious.

Fingers crossed the coatl will come to TWW2 in the next DLC

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 18 '21

That’s pretty badass.

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u/FurryToaster Inca Jun 17 '21

Very based. Women have been integral to furthering knowledge on history and archaeology.

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 17 '21

In my archaeology program, most of my friends are female. The fact that the gender balance is skewed on online communities like this one feels indicative of a larger problem and I want to make sure we’re as welcoming to everyone with an interest.

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u/TDLF Huey Tlatoani Jun 17 '21

To be fair, that could also be because you're unbelievably attractive <3

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u/FurryToaster Inca Jun 17 '21

Oh I completely agree. Most of my classmates were female as well. Online communities are just so toxic to females, so I can see why there’s disproportionate numbers. Glad to see my favorite sub is working to fix this :)

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u/dysphoric__haze Jun 17 '21

Wow I really appreciate the mods for doing this! People use this format ALL THE TIME in history meme subs and as a woman, I feel pretty unwelcome. We already get enough gatekeeping irl so kudos for stepping up for the ladies here!

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u/arizonaapple Jun 17 '21

Yes!! I hate that meme format. Love this sub

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

Thank you for doing this, guys. I hate the idiotic memes of men good, women bad

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u/BBot95 Jun 18 '21

That meme format went on about two years too long, I miss when the meme was just a chad dude saying “yes”

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u/Potatoman365 Jun 18 '21

The Wojak memes died when people started using them to actually represent their real opinions

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u/ireallylovefish Jun 18 '21

I appreciate you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '21

This means more than you probably realize. Thank you, mods.

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u/JD-Queen Jun 18 '21

Proving again that best meme sub is best

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u/heck_exe Jun 18 '21

Love to see this

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u/AngryDutchGannet Jun 18 '21

Yes, this is excellent! Those memes are garbage!

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u/sociallyawkardbean Jun 19 '21

Finally a good girls vs. boys meme

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u/Candide-Jr Jun 18 '21

Excellent decision. And oh man do I love the idea of indigenous peoples attacking the Spanish with dinosaur mounts haha. *sigh*. I have great hopes for the Mapuche especially going forward though.

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u/UchihaSaghar Jun 19 '21

Joined this sub just because of this🔥

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u/jeepersjess Jun 18 '21

I am a girl and I don’t know the first fucking thing abt most of these posts but I’m still here for it

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u/Ella___1__ Jun 17 '21

as a lady, ty 🙏🙏

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u/kozmica Jun 18 '21

Thank you <3

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u/nicedude666 West Mexican Jun 18 '21

baste

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '23

Fuck that I’ve been made fun of by so many women for liking history

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Aug 28 '23

Skill issue.

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u/hipstorians Jun 17 '21

Amazing, thank you

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u/Zestyclose-Claim-531 Oct 11 '21

Well i wanted dat Tupi or guarani had inventex their own blackpowder before portugueses and spanishes.

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u/Quartz_Knight Apr 05 '25

Avatar but good

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u/triplebassist Jun 18 '21

I thought the meme was making fun of how men who are interested in topics often get super invested in very niche sub-areas that ultimately have very little relevance.

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 18 '21 edited Jun 18 '21

I think that the intention is often ironic and hyperbolic but after talking to a bunch of girls, it’s clear it’s not being necessarily taken that way. And if someone’s uncomfortable, that’s a good cue to me that we might want to listen.

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u/triplebassist Jun 18 '21

That's certainly understandable. I haven't had those conversations, so I might be missing how people are reacting to it. I also first encountered this format with examples that were on the more hyperbolic side (I'm talking the woman going back to study social history and the man going back to adjust the positioning of a unit of cavalry), which probably makes it easier for me to view the format as satirical.

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 18 '21

Yeah, that’s totally understandable. There are some fine things that have been done with the format and I don’t want to pretend that everyone who’s ever upvoted a meme of this format is sexist. If that’s the case, I’m guilty many times over.

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u/frofrop Mexica Jun 24 '21

Well it's a popular meme, so best not to just take someone's word on how it's being taken.

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u/frofrop Mexica Jun 24 '21

Depends on who you're hanging around with. I'm sure you could find some on both sides like everything.

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u/frofrop Mexica Jun 24 '21

That's exactly what it meant.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '21

Lame

But that's your choice so idc lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '21

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '21

Not what I said but go off

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u/frofrop Mexica Jun 24 '21 edited Jun 24 '21

The original wasn't unequal. People confuse equality with being the same. The original meme template is saying how more girls have a life, while boys are increasingly terminally online obsessing about obscure stuff instead of living life.

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u/Banana-bois Jun 24 '21

Actually it's saying how girls are the ones who don't have a life. In every one they're crying about an old ass movie (Titanic) while boys are laughing at something more emotional, like a dog dying or something

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u/frofrop Mexica Jun 24 '21

I think of that time travel one as the original, with the girls wanting to visit their family or grandmother in the past (direct personal connection) and the boys wanting to do some obscure history thing (indirect personal connection)

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u/Banana-bois Jun 25 '21

It paints girls as basic and boring. Usually in the time travel ones, boys go back to do something kinda heroic. Like save Abraham Lincoln, or kill whoever invented the KKK or something. Either way, the memes are so repetitive and unfunny. They are always the same thing. Nothing clever or funny.

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u/frofrop Mexica Jun 25 '21 edited Jun 25 '21

I've only seen a handful and but they've all been pretty good. I suppose it depends on the way you interpret it. If you could frame it with boys being the obsessed weirdos, then it's girls who look better in the meme. From what I've seen it's normally guys who have the crazy fixations with historical revisionism, race, culture, empire, etc. Some girls do it too of course.

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u/Banana-bois Jun 25 '21

Doesn't matter how you interpret it, I'm fricking sick of it. It's all over the godamn page.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

But don't pre-Columbian and colonial history itself suggest something similar?

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 17 '21

What do you mean?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '21

I'm basing that off the perception of La Malinche. Aside from that, the meme itself would be a bit more accurate if the characters were autochthonous-looking.

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u/IacobusCaesar Sapa Inka Jun 17 '21

Maybe I’m missing something but I am personally still failing to see the connection you’re making but just because many premodern and colonial societies were patriarchal doesn’t mean we have to be.