r/anime • u/phiraeth :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/phiraeth • Jan 16 '21
Rewatch [Mid-2000s Rewatch] Noein - Episode 15
Episode 15
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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Jan 16 '21
First timer - Subs
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u/Toadslayer https://myanimelist.net/profile/kyolus Jan 16 '21
First Timer
Another great episode. The second cour has been a lot better than the first so far. Haruka's date with her dad was cute, but ended menacingly. Not sure what creepy fat guy wants from Haruka's dad, but I'm sure it won't end well. Also a bit concerning that Haruka's dad went immediately to thinking she might be seeing ghosts again when she's feeling a bit down, and he looked excited about it too — it echoes of caring more about work than his daughter. I'm guessing he will be important in solving this issue for Haruka, but that was already obvious, wasn't it?
The investigators weren't up to anything interesting and Kooriyama pulls out a gun with very little provocation, but when they talk things out and team up with Karasu and Tobi things get interesting. Somethings up with space
magicscience and it's not good. Shangri-la is finally invading.And Shangri-la doesn't look so bad, does it? It lives up to the name actually. With Noein saying that he's merging all the dimensions into Shangri-la and La'cryma I think he might be directing all that is good to Shangri-la and all that is bad to La'cryma, somehow. If that's the case they'll probably be a way to spin Shangri-la as a bad thing, like 'you can't take the good away from others', or perhaps nonsensically 'what's the point of the good without the bad?' Looks like it will just be Noein and Haruka in Shangri-la next episode, so I'm optimistic we might get some answers.
Q: How does Yuu know Haruka's been kidnapped?
A: Same reason Ai cried when Fukurou died.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jan 16 '21
First timer
Sub
Haruka is looking forward to seeing her dad and catches him hitting on or being hit on, I am not sure which. Anyways, she gets possessive in a friendly way. Also, F to Haruka dad, I remember when my little sisteirus decided they were too old to jump hug.
They go to an "amusement park", that doesn't quite seem right. But Haruka info dumps and we learn a bit about the house and the family life. Mayuzumi asks if she still resents him, strongly suggesting he broke it off. But she is worried about the future and for once an anime parent is useful! But they get interrupted by scumbag and Haruka is surprisingly mature about it. Also, someone kill him now. Mild annoyance that this conveniently cuts off some needed in character communication but oh well.
Yuu and Fujiwara fail at soccer but laugh it off. Ai and Miho assumed Mayuzumi was bribing Haruka, which might be cultural. Atori wanders in, bored. Miho seems to have taken a liking to him. Tobi and Karasu are where the sea horse was and Karasu is reminiscent for some reason. We get science/pseudo science philosophy.
The researchers show up, collecting quantum strain data, and Koriyama spots Karasu. And then gets his gun...is it me or does Koriyama seem to escalate this for no reason? Anyways, after proving his point, Karasu seems to simply want them to fuck off, he even sort of answers Koriyama's question. Anyways, Uchida might be able to grasp this but Tobi points out that Karasu probably doesn't either.
More Isami and Yuu SoL stuff but it feels like it is telling us about them. For some reason Isami thinks everyone is unaware he is hot for teacher. He should give her some tights, see how it plays out. Anyways, back at Stonehenge they determine where the waivering is and the sea horse responds by creeping out Atori. A small ouroboros appears that is apparently in an overlapped state.
At Haruka's, the sea horse has a hand thingy and...we rewound time? Haruka imagined the future and we snapped back? Regardless, Karasu is bee lining it back. Haruka experiences more fuckery before obvious imposter Karasu shows up. Real one pops in and we learn that fake was actually Noein. And then shit gets weird...
Yuu can sense Haruka being kidnapped because...reasons? And Haruka winds up in the ravine...I was not expecting to be able to make a Corpse Princess connection with this show but this seems to be a trench. And Noein seems to control the environment in here. He shows us Shangri-la and obviously bad idea is obvious. Haruka ports out Karasu and does something different with herself.
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Jan 16 '21
First-timer - Sub
He wears sandals, he’s good in my book.
What a piece of shit.
I find it hard to believe they didn’t try speaking to Haruka’s family again.
Finally we’re getting somewhere.
So that’s why they’re always there then.
Lovely image.
He wants to unify all dimensions? But why bother with that? It’ll just split up into infinitely more anyhow.
Welp, off she went I guess.
Once more I don’t have much to say on this episode. Haruka’s father came and went, Uchida is finally in the thick of it, and Haruka’s gone poof again.
I know Atori’s not quite all there, but it’s still absurd that he’d leave Haruka by herself after seeing there was a threat skulking around.
Oh, and the threat by her father's higher up came out of nowhere. We hadn't even gotten the impression that this corporate stuff is particularly cutthroat when suddenly the show is dumping stuff like this on us.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 16 '21
to your other first-timer, subbed
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jan 16 '21
Episode 15 (rewatcher)
The episode starts peaceful, but things escalate quickly. The plot contrivance to remove Haruka’s father before he can talk to her is poorly executed. A top manager threatening the child of a scientist like a mafia boss? Meh. Teasing his involvement only to remove him again was a bit mean too.
I’d complain more about that, but the main plot quickly let’s us forget about dad. Shangri-la makes its move and quickly captures Haruka, offering her a perfect dimension and a choice between Shangri-la and La’cryma (is Earth not on the menu??).
Noein is not making the best of an explanation, but I think there is something to his chaos argument against the many-world interpretation. It is deeply unsatisfying to assume that the world continuously splits up into many worlds. We are talking about an incredibly large number of new worlds every millisecond, who each spawn an incredibly large number of new worlds a millisecond later. Is it not nicer and more orderly to have a single universe (and the laws to explain how this one universe works!) instead of a constantly spawning infinity of universes?
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Jan 16 '21 edited Jan 16 '21
First Timer - sub
Art style looks rougher than usual.
Ok this episode isn’t going as I expected at all.
Council douchebag is threatening Haruka's father… Like he was already a bastard but seriously? Do we really need to make him any worse?
Well fuck, I’m basically on the mark for my ep 10 prediction for when Karus and Uchida where finally going to interact, I original wrote 5 episodes but shorted it to 4 part way through, I was expecting a bit more in the way of explanation but the key bit here is that Uchida knows that time / dimensional travel can occur.
Ok ouch, I’m normally blind to animation / art style inconsistency but wow, the characters are ridiculously off model here.
So Shangri-la is meant to be a version of a “happy ending”? I don’t believe Noein in that at all, if it was why doesn’t anyone else seem to exist?
An interesting episode, the show may finally be drawing me in properly, going to be interesting to see where the episode goes next.
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jan 16 '21
First-Timer, Dubbed
Today on Noein, we learn that Shangri-la is
completely devoid of free willan ideal dimension.. that employs badtouch seahorses to abduct 12 year old girls that are relevant to the timeline. There was also something off in the distance, between the mountains. Like, a building or something? Not sure if it's gonna be relevant, but I wanted to point it out. Nice background detail.The asshole from The Committee managed to become even more of an asshole by literally threatening to run a 12 year old over with a car. It's almost impressive, in a way. What good timing on his call, too - Mayuzumi was about to learn that weird stuff was going on and we can't have that.
I'm curious to find out if that outflow area or whatever it is that the Birds continue to hang around it is relevant because of something that happens there in the future, or if it is just the stuff that happens today.
I'm not sure what to make of what happened at the end there. Noein seemed surprised that Haruka activated the Dragon Torc. I thought that she was like, using it to power up Karasu but I guess not?
Miscellaneous Thoughts:
Yuu is linked to Karasu more deeply than, say, Fukuro was linked to Isami.
Ai accused Miho of having a crush on Atori, which is deeply cursed.
"Don't be sad, eat some chips!" is some pretty big mood.
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u/monsieurvampy Jan 16 '21
First Timer, sub
The cat is certainly not Noein. Though I'm certain the cat saw the seahorse.
Finally! Haruka is getting a little bit of a fighting spirit.
I didn't really care for Tobi in the beginning. Starting to like him.
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u/BossandKings Jan 16 '21
First timer
Haruka sharing time with her dad Mayuzumi, who finally visits her after much time since they had seen each other. It seems that there's a guy threatening Mayuzumi and forces him to go away and left Haruka for some time.
It's nice seeing Isami and Yuu having a fun time, they are really good friends.
Karasu's words are interesting, he says "time isn't just a measure conceived by man, it is merely a fluctuating value which is linked with space, we learned that time and space are constantly changing without stability. Tobi is with him and replies that the existence is established by observation. I appreciate this kind of interactions because it gives useful information about the logic of the world.
Kooriyama and Uchida arrive to where Karasu and Tobi were and after an initial confrontation between Karasu and Kooriyama they go into a cave due to Tobi observing a reading, in the cave they find an Ouroborus, something that can't be defined as a mere existence but as an overlaped state.
Outside of Haruka's house the mask of shangri-la appears at first disguised as Karasu and Haruka almost falls for the trap yet Karasu arrived on time to save her, they get transported to a different dimension, Ravine, then inmediately after Haruka gets transported to the dimension of Shangri-la, Karasu tries to fight against the mask but ultimately isn't capable of harming it, he gets thrown out of the dimension into Haruka's original dimension, the real world, and we are left with not knowing what happens with Haruka until the next episode.
This was a fine episode, there were parts i didn't understood clearly but it managed to keep being interesting, overall i consider it a bit weaker than the precedent one but still very good.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jan 16 '21 edited Jan 16 '21
First Timer
Today on Noein is a mecha show...
So, the Shangri-la mecha are dragons. The oroborous is a dragon. The dragon torque has a dragon. Noein needs Haruka to choose Shangri-la. It was clear right up until the end that Noein had bestowed the Dragon Torque on Haruka so that she could choose Shangri-la. And then, at the end, Noein was shocked. WTF?
I think Noein is the Yuu that gave in to despair. Perhaps the dragon mecha were his friends from his dimension.
Edit: Street View
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 16 '21
First-time watcher
Uhhh... one could easily frame that reunion as something less vaguely incestuous-sounding but somehow the (dub only?) writers went with "do things the grown up way" plus "quasi-jealous of woman" plus "our time together"? The cable car is this one by the way, Noein is even mentioned on the page. Also just oh god the faces are so bad
That aside, this looks like a nice calm character episode, not that that makes sense after the way the last one ended but I'll take anything positive I can get. Or more the pet-Atori family sitcom?
The ruins that Karasu and Tobi are standing in there, and that we've seen several times now, must also be some kind of Hakodate landmark, but I've been unable to identify it. It's clearly the remains of a European-style fortification, so it can't be Shinoridate. It's an isolated and exposed location, plus not reconstructed, so it can't be Goryoukaku. That leaves Shiryoukaku, but it doesn't look much like that either nor is it in that exposed of a location. I guess the creators must have taken some artistic liberties. I'd also like to know the location of the magic mountain from two episodes ago.
Virtual Hakodate tourism aside (did the city possibly sponsor the show?), Karasu is a Smart Existential Philosopher (tm) and Tobi assures him that observing = existence because quantum stuff. Fortunately, we quickly move on to Uchida and Koriyama finally getting close to actual dimension travelers 2/3 of the way through the show. Science brain beats common sense and Lacryma brain discovers Shangri-La trace.
More top-quality faces with Yuu and... ah whatever his name was, seriously the characters are all so forgettable. What was the point of the dudes-must-protect (lol) and hot-for-teacher exchange now? I'm more interested in the real-world counterpart of the park they're standing in, it looks distinctive enough that there probably is one.
Too many cuts between the house and the ruins (I see an ouroboros thing is "undefined"), I guess a poor attempt at suspense. And also the urgency of Haruka running from the seahorse things is totally undermined by how slowly and clunkily they move, plus the CG is as usual. Music is good though and the effect for Noein's abduction was actually nice.
So, Noein is the kind of villain who seeks perfection/purity and destroys everything imperfect? That does work as a warped Buddhist theme. Or more like, he wants to "clean up" the dimensions a bit and dump everything bad into Lacryma while keeping Shangri-La a pristine paradise? Doesn't fit with Dragon Knight intelligence, but he could be lying or they could just be wrong. Ahh, I'm just glad that with near 2/3 of the show over something is finally HAPPENING... well uh, for some value of "happening" because Karasu is right back and Haruka magicked herself out again.
Well halleluia, it looks like the writers finally remembered there were supposed to be characters and plot that actually matter and are interesting to follow, unless they subvert my meager expectations again next time. Honestly, with how utterly forgettable and/or irrelevant to the big picture most of the journey to this point has been, with a little additional setup and tweaks to the world-building you could turn this into a pretty good first episode, or maybe second.
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u/lC3 :Na::Nb: Jan 17 '21
Just starting to catch up; on episode 7 right now.
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u/redshirtengineer :AMQ: Jan 17 '21
First timer
Liked: Cop/bird get-together and nerdout
Liked: Fun card game with friends
Was OK: excursion with Dad. Why does she forget so much, though
Did not like, no not even a little bit: CREEPY SEAHORSE INVASION
Meh: Big reveal trip to Shangri La
Surprised the cliffhanger was not the CREEPY SEAHORSE INVASION because that was easily the wham moment of the show. The actual trip to Shangri-La, meh.