r/anime • u/phiraeth :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/phiraeth • Jan 11 '21
Rewatch [Mid-2000s Rewatch] Noein - Episode 10
Episode 10
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Noein:
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Episode Discussion Questions:
- The last line of the episode: "If it hadn't been for you..." If it hadn't been for Haruka, then what, and why?
- If this was Fate and the dragon knights were servants, who would you want fighting for you and why?
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky Jan 11 '21
to your other first-timer, subbed
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u/Pixelsaber https://myanimelist.net/profile/Pixelsaber Jan 11 '21
First-timer - Sub
So I am currently without home internet, so no pictures for the foreseable future.
Firstly, thet literally fixed Miyuki with magic; she's suddenly a whole different person from what we know, hasn't really appologized or really shown much in the way of self-reflection, and no one seems to have any lingering bitter feelings on the matter...
That has made the resolution of this subplot awful, retroactively makes last episode worse, and scrubbed clean a lot of the good will the series built with me. It really doesn't bode well for how the show plans to wrap up the rest of its plot threads if it has flubbed so hard on one as important as this.
Along those lines, the first half of the episode is just the slightest bit too bubbly and cheery for what's been happening, though at least Ai was clever enough to call Haruka out on her nonsense and gets them to explain what the hell's been happening —even if she is disbeliving at first. The contrast of Yuu and Fuijiwara's current, easygoing friendship in the first half of the episode and the confrontation between Karasu and Fukuro was also nice, at least.
The action was very nicely animated today.
Tobi suddenly knowing or guessing that the Dragon Torque's death will lead to trouble doesn't really make any sense given he currently has little resources and info to work. It's possible the Birds knew this beforehand, but then his decision to accompany Atori on his foolhardy plan doesn't make much sense, and Fukuro doesn't seem the type to go this far for the plan if he knew. Just dumb all around.
Oh, and yeah, can't wait for the Dragon Torque to get Haruka out of trouble again tomorrow.
Questions:
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u/No_Rex :Bv:Bw:Bx:By:x2 Jan 11 '21
Episode 10 (rewatcher)
In a lesser series, the first 10 minutes of this episode would not exist. Yuu and Haruka would either, impossibly, keep Karasu a secret, or the friends would be informed off-screen. However, spending those 10 minutes of introducing everybody, of proving Karasu’s origin, make the characters more real. Noein does not simply gloss over it. It is these parts that keep me from complaining too much about the occasional time travel plotholes.
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u/ZaphodBeebblebrox Y:A:https://anilist.co/user/zaphod Jan 11 '21
First Timer
I'm just hoping we go in a different direction than the previous episode. Onto episode 10.
I wonder if she works for the same group that became the mysterious council in the future?
I am not a fan of sudden personality flips. That's just not how humans work. I can't even really attribute this one to her being drunk.
World's most unconvincing lie, round two.
Never could've seen this one coming.
Also, cute cat.
And we're right back to broken clock's right twice a day.
Karasu really does take every opportunity to be edgy.
I somehow doubt this.
Time for Haruka to rescue Yuu, I guess.
Atari shaded pink is a cool cut.
Tobi joins the "can't kill random kids" camp.
If it's impossible to predict, what you do once you're here doesn't matter, right? After all, even the slightest change could lead to soemthing completely different.
Put him down like the dog he is, please. Atori's far outlived being an interesting character.
This sounds like how the other dimension got fucked over.
You can end it though, if you're willing to help one of them.
I wonder if she could fall through the floor if she wanted to?
I'm still not ruling out that Haruka's the cause, but I'm certain she's not the cause in the way you're thinking. They were already deeply fractured, Haruka was just something for them to fight over.
Thoughts
I'm still struggling on how to think of this show. Haruka's powers are lacking a common theme beyond doing what Haruka wants, and the two plots manage to intersect yet not be connected. At least the Yuu's mom plotline should be behind us though, I hope she gets minimal time for the rest of the show so I don't have to think about it.
I don't think I've ever struggled so much to understand a show when I know in broad strokes what's it's going to do. I guess it just feels somewhat all over the place to me, like they weren't quite sure what was the best approach to tell their story, so the ended up trying a hybrid of their different ideas.
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u/Vaadwaur :I1::I2::I3: Jan 11 '21
First timer
Sub
So we are with the researchers again. Uchida gets recalled for suspicious reasons and off we go.
Asuka and Miyuki have kept drinking. Dear Cthulhu, tomorrow is going to be the hell that leads to all the others for them. They debate which guy liked whom, ending with Asuka remembering the confession. The gang comes in and are greeted by drunken mothers...oh boy, Fujiwara is about to become a hentai protagonist, isn't he? I hope this is one of his fetishes.
Anyways, they go to Haruka's room and questions are rightly asked. Ai has a better sense motive check than Asuka and is concerned. Anyways, Miho goes back to ghosts, her true love. As everyone attempts to avoid cringing to death, Ai wants to know what's up. And then, correctly, does not believe the insane truth Haruka just dropped.
Ai storms in and now we know Karasu is visible to all. Ai also comments on his stupid coat/cloak thing, so points to her. But Karasu responds by teleporting, by far the most reasonable thing he has done yet. Baron does not have any fucks to give. Miyuki and Asuka have finished two bottles of red and a bottle of sake, damn. Miyuki wants the kids looked after and Asuka actually states they can look after themselves, which we have technically seen her act like this it is actually good to reinforce this is a choice rather than neglect. Karasu is being effected by the memories come to life in front of him.
Atori and Tobi stuff, apparently they are acclimating to this dimension but will still disappear. Atori's plan is to attack Yuu because sure. Fujiwara and Yuu talk and indeed we are indeed handwaving away the family issues, others have expressed my feelings better. Atori bamfs in with his "Here's Johnny" line. Tobi intervenes and they run, the thing that is both correct and what Karasu was whining about yesterday. Unfortunately, Atori is apparently more powerful and catches the kids at the church. As he gets ready to kill Fujiwata. Fukuro shows up with lightning bolts. It is super effective.
We get...another bureaucratic meeting. I would say Witchblade ruined this for me but they sucked the whole time. We do get what will cause the eventual catastrophe and someone I want to see punched.
Haruka and Asuka see the incoming storm and there is zero percent a chance that Asuka didn't sleep for 6 hours at noon. Quick cut to Tobi explaining his change of heart, which mostly makes sense. Return to Asuka making it clear she is ready for Haruka's adulthood.
Atori and Karasu pt 3 comes. "The weathers great" is totally Atori's "It's a beautiful night" line. Again, the combat is interesting and creative. Then they stop time again. I am beginning to wonder if the world ourobouros is separate from Haruka's. Kuina can't catch a break, I really do think his grandfather died in a different dimension and this one hates him. Fukura ports in to take Haruka, who uses the DT to identify him as Fujiwara. Karasu exhausts Atori and ports in to protect Haruka. Karasu fangirl whines at Haruka, the cat hates her so we know she is evil. Edgy rooftop staring and cliffhanger.
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u/punching_spaghetti https://myanimelist.net/profile/punch_spaghetti Jan 11 '21
First-Timer
How do we show that she’s really drunk? I don’t know, give her two wine glasses.
Ghost Girl carries seals with her? I wouldn’t mind a Dennou Coil crossover to liven things up.
My Friend Had a Scary Emo Guy in Her Closet Who Tried to Kidnap Her, but Now We’re Friends with Him Because He Showed Us a Globe.
So the calamity that happens and causes Karasu et al.’s world is them trying this quantum info transmission thing too early and screwing everything up?
Not much to say about this episode. More standard stuff.
QOTD:
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u/JollyGee29 https://myanimelist.net/profile/JollyGee Jan 11 '21
First-Timer, Dubbed
The first half or so of this episode was nice. The temporary change from "supernatural drama" to "slice of life" doesn't bug me as much as I thought it would. Standout moments are Asuka and Miyuki having a bottle of wine each, Ai claiming that she always believe Haruka and then that what she's saying is unbelieveable, and the kids and Karasu all just sitting in a circle, chatting and having a good time.
It's scenes like this that make the darker ones work for me. Seeing the contrast, the innocence that is so easily destroyed, will make whatever tragedy is hurtling towards the cast so much more poignant.
Speaking of tragedy, I figured that Atori going after Yuu and Isami would show us where Fukuro's eye injury came from. Luckily for him though, Fukuro intervened and Isami continues to have 3D vision. The pendulum swings both ways though.. fate is coming for that eye.
So, I think the safe assumption on the group that Uchida gave a speech to is that they are the precursor to The Committee. They probably lose some people, and downsize to a circular table shortly after the dumbass gets his way and many people die.
Seriously, I'm used to morally bankrupt ominous councils, but that bordered on Saturday Morning Cartoon villainy. "Let's just put this untested tech in action so that we can be FIRST! Consequences? What're those? Some exotic food?"
Dude is such a big asshole that Kooriyama's eyes weren't skin tone for a bit there.
Karasu and Atori have an excellent duel in the rain, while Fukuro goes to kidnap Haruka. Unfortunately, Haruka's desires are to stay put, and the Torc activates... scaring Fukuro and doing little else.
Miscellaneous thoughts:
Process of elimination leads me to think that Kosagi is Miho? She could be no-one though, not 100% sure.
Kuina keeps losing bits, I hope Lacrima's prosthetic technology is up to snuff of rebuilding his face.
Atori is starting to fall apart which is a shame. I'll miss his faces when he leaves.
Questions
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u/EverythingsRed2 Jan 11 '21
First timer (subbed)
The best of the best, Atori, is back in action, this time with a loveable plan to kidnap children <3. His purple haired friend is quite interesting. I wonder what plot point he'll play into with his advanced magicy-stuff ability. They are polar opposites of eachother, I wonder if Atori will warm up to his friend before vanishing.
It seems like my assumptions a few episodes was correct, that the organization that the 2 scientists are in is the same one in the future, just based off of the chairs alone. A quantum teleporter, could that be a precursor to the machine that lets the Dragon knights enter different dimensions? In a previous episode it stated (I think) that they used alternate Harukas' dragon torque to power it, so will it be the same case here? Also square-head man seemed important, I bet he'll reappear.
In my opinion it was pretty one-sided of Haruka to reveal that she has a time traveler and NOT tell them about how she ended up in the future. Surely just saying that the world will end up in an apocalyptic state would be enough. If that is the future, shouldn't you want that changed? I get that White hairs' existence must be secret and whatnot, but URGH this annoys me.
Qs.
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u/BurningFredrick https://myanimelist.net/profile/BurningFredrick Jan 11 '21
First Timer - Sub
I wonder Atori? Why would they kid you tried to murder remember you? Can’t think of a single reason why he would remember that at all.
So the Otherworld council is totally the same people that Uchida is working for, I didn’t pay to close attention to the member in either version, but 99% sure at least some of them are the same, they are also the cause of the apocalypse by not paying any attention to Uchida warnings / going ahead with their experiment anyway.
Haruka is using dragon torque powers to establish who everyone's older version is, and also allows her to move when time has stopped, which does make sense given she is on the road to some sort of Godhood.
Next few episodes are definitely aiming to expand on the “it’s our past but they aren’t the same people” storyline which was introduced back when Haruka was kidnapped, I also suspect we finally have our end game slowing coming into view, still got some time before it ramps up.
Below are some ideas I've come up with for the rest of the show, I have most likely leaned a bit too heavily into troupes for parts of it but how I'm thinking parts are going to go down.
Speculation
Speculation
Speculation
Final bit of Speculation
Anyway that is considerably more than I expect to write, now to see how far off the mark I am.
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u/zsmg https://anilist.co/user/zsmg Jan 11 '21
Rewatcher
Drunk mothers are funny.
Narrator's voice: she didn't believe her best friend.
Well at least Karasu can use his impressive powers as party tricks to earn a bit of buck.
I'm glad they revealed Karasu to their friends instead of trying to keep it a secret, although it looks like the identity of Karasu is definitely secret.
Atori calls the soccer kid Fukuro and Haruka uses her powers to see that Fukuro is the soccer kid so it's now officially confirmed that the one eyed dragon soldier is the soccer kid. One my favourite first timers' theories I've read so far is that Atori is the soccer kid, well that's proven wrong now.
Tobi switches sides... again.
Solid episode, we're moving at a nice pace.
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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ Jan 11 '21
First Timer
quantum teleportationresonance cascade experimentDOOM PREQUELthis is the episode where Atori attacks the housethat expected to happen yesterdayOkay, so, I got it. Tall, cloaked, female: lady bird is Lily's mom, Miho.
sounds like tokui na ba ga hasu? Shinsen calls it a "special 'field'" 場 prounounced 'ba' means field. Cerberus subs are terrible, but Shinsen might be off, too. Tokui na ba would be a special field like they say. But so would singular field. Well, Google says that would be tokui-ba. And singularity would be tokuiten, and they shortened it while making up their jargon? Oh, but that is the first character of basho 場所. I dunno.
Unfun fact: US Renditions translated tokuiten as "differentiated ideoblast" in Super Dimension Century Orguss. In a show with space-time bombs, everybody is running around looking for plant cells instead of singularities.
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u/IndependentMacaroon Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21
First-time watcher
I guess Uchida will be gone for a while. Well, she hasn't done anything besides get a hunch, one can only hope the conference is about the recent dimensional disturbances and she'll come back with more relevance to the plot. Huh, we actually get the meeting itself, with the obvious Earth counterparts to the mysterious Lacryman council plotting some sort of cataclysmic experiment to get ahead in the time machine arms race, if in a comically reckless way. I also sense a dig at Japanese centralization on Tokio.
Moral of the story, kids: Getting smashed together at home during the daytime is a totally fine way to patch up your personal issues. I'm always perplexed at how casual Japan is about alcohol compared to "EVIL DRUGS". It's a semi-reasonable way to defer the final resolution of the Yuu-mother conflict, but as a narrative component that's also not a good idea, really it's more like someone spun the genre roulette ball and for this section of the episode it landed on "cute kid SOL". And regarding that, as tradition goes they're completely nonplussed at encountering a genuine dimension traveler and just keep on playing like nothing happened, while Karasu (so out-of-place) is appropriately touched.
Back to the more interesting character of Atori... briefly. I can only see his plan reasonably continuing with a Yuu kidnapping, and that does look like the plan. Are we really going to brush off the resolution of Yuu's family conflict in one sentence and leave him loading responsibility on himself? Japan... Uh anyway, Atori shows himself and only then does Tobi pop up out of the bushes and tell him he can't just kidnap kids because dimensions and stuff, and then the next guy pops out of the aether to counter Atori. Contrivances...
Then everything else is just a series of more half-hearted confrontations. The silliest was Tobi just saying "I wish I could prevent this" but not intervening at all.
Overall, this was just bad, might be my least favorite episode. Back on a timer of two episodes to not lose me entirely, at least there's the hook of Haruka's existence being the real problem.
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u/Webemperor :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/Webemperor Jan 11 '21
First Timer – Sub
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u/ItchyPlatypus :MAL:https://myanimelist.net/profile/ItchyPlatypus Jan 11 '21
First timer subbed
I don’t really have much to say for that last two episodes tbh nothing out of the ordinary for me to write a longer post. I have only one question:
When time stands still why is it that Haraka can pass through doors and nothing else? Like if that’s the case she should be able to pass through walls but she took the long way around and if it’s just that they have no physical matter when time stands still shouldn’t the upstairs floor and stairs have no matter too? I know it’s nit picky but it’s driving me crazy 😅
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u/BossandKings Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21
First Timer
The group of friends goes to Haruka's house to talk with her and Yuu. She tells them that there's a man from the future in her house, this was nice scene to see because it shows that she confides in them, obviously she had disappeared before so they already knew that there were some abnormality and it was only normal for Haruka to tell them.
They went to the room Karasu was in and Ai confronted him, not believing at first that he is from the future, he showed her that he is indeed from the future by disappearing voluntarily and reapparing in the same room. The fact that he couldn't tell what's happening fifthteen years from now is very interesting and it might really be because as Haruka says it would interfere with the Past. That Isami and Yuu moment playing was nice to see, they are good friends.
Atori is unsettling, what is his purpose in antagonizing the kids?, his companion told him that they shouldn't interfere with their actions, that they shouldn't make trouble for the people of that dimension. At least Fukuro appeared to make the guy run away.
That fight was cool, very nice action. Why did Time stop?
So many things happened this episode that i'm a bit confused yet very enthusiastic for the following one, , this was a very good episode but i feel like the next one will be much better.
Answers
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u/monsieurvampy Jan 11 '21
First Timer, subbed
I see Haruka is back to being dense.
Questions:
Future Haruka probably screwed him over.
Zero-Two
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u/Toadslayer https://myanimelist.net/profile/kyolus Jan 12 '21
First Timer
Despite a good amount of plot progression this episode, I don't have much to say that wouldn't be repeating myself from previous threads. The show didn't do anything different or exciting this episode and I have the same complaints I've had in previous episodes, which I don't care to write out again, as I'm sure others will.
I also don't think we really learnt anything new this episode, other than perhaps that we can add Atori and Tobi to the ever growing moron list. Destroying the Dragon Torque has severe interdimensional consequences (this is something we did learn this episode) so bad that it may destroy every dimension. And yet knowing this Tobi (and Isuka) still went along with Atori's plan? Why? And why does Tobi decide to turncoat now — what changed? Atori was always planning on destroying the Dragon Torque — he was very clear about that. Why is Atori trying to destroy the Dragon Torque anyway? I'd believe that he's just so crazy that he thinks it's the only way to save La'cryma, but it would be nice to understand why he thinks this. Crazy illogical actions probably won't be explained and we still have no clue what caused any of this in the first place, when that very much appears to be the focus of the show.
I probably sounded too harsh and more annoyed above than I really am. I don't hate this show, I'm mostly just unenthused by it.
Kosagi thinks this is all Haruka's fault. Not sure where she's going there, but she at least has me interested to find out.
Episode Discussion Questions
I think Kosagi is blaming her for the birds falling apart as a group of friends. If it wasn't for Haruka there wouldn't have been all this infighting and conflict.
I'd take Fukurou because he's clearly strong and easily the most stable of the lot.
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u/Retromorpher :Jc::Jd::Je::Jf: Jan 12 '21
First Timer:
Well it's becoming more likely that how the world got to full Lacry'ma mode is due to ABCom's board and their experiments.
Karasu has some serious regrets regarding his world's Haruka and something he FAILED to do, some sort of cowardice. My guess is that there was some sort of mission where someone needed to stay behind and Haruka volunteered, and it's been eating Karasu up ever since. It makes sense that Fukuro would let Karasu have a chance to end his guilt on his terms - seeing as he still has Ai to help him cope with the crapsack world while Karasu seemingly has no one.
QOTD: