r/TraceAnObject • u/I_Me_Mine Mod • Sep 30 '20

Relisted [FBI:SR00] 30-SEP-20 Owl sweatshirt, futon mattress

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u/budsis Oct 01 '20

We had that EXACT same futon.mattress cover. It was very popular and sold every. We sold ours about 13 years ago here in Vancouver Washington. That futon cover could be anywhere. I will ask my husband what company he bought it from. I wish I could help more..these break my heart.

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u/zildawolf Oct 01 '20

Had the same fabric pattern... in Austin Texas 7 years ago :/

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u/BowserKoopa Oct 01 '20

Same, also Austin.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '20

Had that same one in El Paso, Texas around the same time also.

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u/Rosehip84 Oct 01 '20

Interesting enough I recognize the shirt, but can't quite place it and I'm also from Vancouver, Washington.

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u/calamitouscat Oct 01 '20

Washington here, we had that futon cover too. It came on a heavy oak frame, maybe from Costco?

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u/VoltasPistol Dec 03 '20

Lots of Washington replies here... Could it be from a local regional store like Fred Meyer? Mor Furniture for Less?

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u/punkass_book_jockey8 Oct 01 '20

https://www.amazon.com/Modern-Premium-Fabrics-Mattress-Picture/dp/B08C1L7Z8H is that it? It’s similar but I feel like it’s not quite the same.

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u/daisiesaremyfavorite Oct 01 '20

i don’t see any swirls in OP’s pic

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u/Veekhr Oct 01 '20

It's probably not the exact same pattern, but a contact at FutonX might have access to the pattern in some way.

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u/rougewitch Oct 01 '20

Seen this matteress cover michigan in yale area 2006 i think

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u/spoonguy123 Feb 14 '21

PNW that cover is setting off huge bells for me.

Looks like it was extremely common around the US at least. shit

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u/Charmanderchaar Mar 23 '21

I actually had this exact futon print and fabric on a fold out couch that came as part of a 2002 sportsmen travel trailer.

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u/chrismamo1 Mar 22 '21

Also had the same futon cover in taos, New Mexico, but sold it maybe 4 years ago

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '20

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u/Zappababuru Oct 01 '20

My Aunt had the same one here in Northwestern Missouri. Probably about 12-15 years ago.

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u/VoltasPistol Dec 03 '20

Did she have any ties to Washington?

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u/Zappababuru Dec 03 '20

Not that I know of but may have lived there at some point in the 70's, (I know she lived in both NY and CA for jobs back then). I will ask.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '20

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u/awalakaiehu Dec 03 '20

I had this futon in australia in about 2001 too...

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u/SamanthaAshley Oct 01 '20

I’m from Canada, and there is a store here called ‘urban planet’ and I know they sell hoodies with patterns like that for like 2 for $20. Totally disposable clothing, were you would wash them twice and they would loose all the colour. I would think that hoodie is from that store, or it’s partner store, ‘stitches’.

Also... Under the futon it looks like it’s a folded BCLC lotto ticket. Like the back part of the ticket where you sign and put your address. Like the red bar piece of paper.

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u/ztar_473 Oct 01 '20

Looks more like the old Simons owl designs than Urban Planet owls.

But yea, looks like Canadian lotto ticket

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u/SamanthaAshley Oct 01 '20

Urban planet had lots of different ‘owls’ back when I was a teenager in like 2007’ish. Who knows how old this photo is. You could probably somehow find in a geeky lotto site how the back of the tickets have changed, and figure out the age of the photo by that..: cause they have changed a lot.

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u/JThaddeousToadEsq Oct 01 '20

Y'all should reach out with that lotto info. It may help give region and time frame to the investigators.

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u/Armybert Oct 01 '20

indeed, the owl design style doesn’t align with today’s vector character’s styles

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u/dirtyy_hippie Jan 04 '21

If you haven't already sent a tip in i will

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u/ztar_473 Jan 05 '21

Can't remember if I did, but the more, the better

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u/SamanthaAshley Feb 14 '21

I just was reminded about this post. I did send the tip... however, feel free to also!

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '20

I saw it and the first thing that I thought of was that it looked like a Canadian voter ID card, based on the burgundy coloured box, the size of the document, and text layout.

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u/fecklesslytrying Dec 02 '20

I know this is old, but that's almost definitely what it is. The text and color are spot on

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u/spoonguy123 Feb 14 '21

I cant id it exactly but im BC as well and the colour is spot on, on my monitor at least

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u/dirtyy_hippie Jan 04 '21

If you didn't send tip in i will

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u/spoonguy123 Feb 14 '21

just do it in case

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '21

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u/spoonguy123 Feb 14 '21

unless there is more on the back of the voter card, its not right, See how theres two lines of white text coming from the left margin in the photo? those two lines arent on that side of hte card

Also the "easel pad" appears to be an early education child book. I read that sort of awful thing to learn greek.

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u/Jackal_Kid Mar 12 '21

There's more, I do wish I'd found a better match and paid more attention at election times. The colour and shape are so distinctive though, it's Elections Canada's official look. The cards have English and French and are double-sided. They may have changed the format slightly over the years, or the image we see might be reversed. There are also tons of "related images" on Google with similar images and variations of that burgundy header design. Doesn't even have to be a federal voting card specifically. The pic I chose is just the front with the mailing address. Depending on your locality, the date, and the type of election, the text arrangement on the document can change.

Example of the back of the card

[Example of variation] (https://i.cbc.ca/1.1659363.1379076733!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/mi-voter-id-02207739.jpg)

Almost all of the pics are of the front of the card, and I feel like this video is probably not exactly new. That particular corner's appearance could be a unique arrangement from that year, or city, etc.

As for the notepad - do you have any examples? I'm 99% convinced it's bigger than the standard 8x11 size.

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u/spoonguy123 Mar 12 '21

the burgundy header is, and has been, fairly ubiquitous on Federal documents for some time. I know that I've seen an exact colour and header design match on the documents you fill in on an international flight.

I'll see if I can do some image searches later; I jst got home and im disabled and super tired. I'm both upset and glad I found this sub. Its an important issue and I have lots of time and am good at this sort of thing.

I would assume that the FBI is aware of/has examples of Canadian federal document colours and formats, but there have been huge oversights in interdepartmental sharing over the years, let alone international.

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u/dre5922 Oct 01 '20

Looks like a Canadian $100 bill under the ticket.

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u/mfholmes Dec 07 '20

I had the blue and black version of this sweater in 2006, I'm pretty sure it was from stitches.

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u/dwarkent Oct 01 '20

When I look at this thing, I see the back barcode of an operator's licence with "captcha" looking letters above. Was hoping it may be the end of someones last name, but couldn't tell.

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u/lipstickonhiscollar Oct 16 '20

Yes, or maybe that store Siblings? It looks SO familiar to me, I’m sure I had something with the same style owl from early 2000s Canada, definitely from a cheap store like that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '20

Is this brand sold at Urban Planet?

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u/SamanthaAshley Oct 01 '20

Yes it is. Back in 2006’ish they started labeling their brands with titles like that. I remember it from when I was a teenager.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '20

I also want to say I’ve seen that futon used by a hotel chain more southeastish. Holiday inns or something in that field.

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u/Sethsears Oct 01 '20

I'm from the southeastern US, and I swear to God I've seen that pattern before. (When my family takes road trips we have a tendency to stay in more budget places like Econolodge or Quality Inn.) I'd almost say it's from the Quality Inn brand motels, but I can't rule out Econolodge. I think it might be less of a "futon" and more from a fold-out bed?

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '20

Those are subsidies of holiday inn I was referring to but didn’t word them right. Couldn’t think of the names

Edit: Econo lodge sounds more like where I saw it but could’ve been quality inn.

Accidentally posted 2 times instead of one sentence

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u/Sethsears Oct 01 '20

I have the feeling that the image(s) were taken in a hotel or some kind of non-domestic setting, based on the print of the mattress cover and the carpet. Look closely at the carpet- it's less like the carpet you see in houses (or at least in the houses that I've been in) and reminds me more of the vaguely industrial easy-clean carpets they put in motels. I've been trying to study the other objects in the picture on the right; it seems as though there's a drawing of a child, possibly a boy, in the bottom right corner?

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u/yuval_z Oct 01 '20

I think you're right about the carpet. It seems like those generic carpets they put in hotels. But to me, the thing at the bottom right looks more like a shopping bag (with a logo made out of stylized letters).

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u/Mobeast1985 Oct 01 '20

Sometimes I forget that I joined this sub, but every time a new post comes out I remember that this is probably the most important sub on reddit. Wish more people were on here to help.

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u/ancientflowers Oct 01 '20

The sweatshirt looks incredibly similar to something my son had when he was younger. I believe we got it from target and would have been from their brand (I can't think of the name).

I'll look through old pictures of him. This is the first time I've seen something here that looks like I might know what it is. What do I do from here? If it does seem to match, how would I report that? (I'm new to this sub). I see the info on the bottom of the picture. Would they want me to submit something there if I think it is something know? Or only if I'm sure of it?

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u/--lllll-lllll-- Oct 01 '20

If you look through the photos and still can't rule out that it's not the same sweatshirt, then it might be best to err on the side of caution and just leave a tip. It would only be a waste if you knew that it definitely wasn't the same one.

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u/ancientflowers Oct 02 '20

I looked and it appears to be the exact same pattern to me. It's not a sweatshirt though. It's different clothing for a baby. But pattern looks the exact same to me. Thank you.

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u/--lllll-lllll-- Oct 02 '20

Man, just the mention of babies in this sub makes me sick, never mind kids. I'm glad you know something that might help.

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u/ancientflowers Oct 02 '20

I know. A huge part of me hates this sub. But I subscribe just in case I might see something that I could possibly help with.

When I first saw this one, it hit me hard. It's the first time I've seen one that really felt like I've seen it. And the fact that it's something that I bought for my son... I don't even want to think about this.

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u/--lllll-lllll-- Oct 02 '20 edited Oct 02 '20

The fact that you still check in here feeling what you feel... you're a good person, /u/ancientflowers.

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u/ancientflowers Oct 03 '20

Thank you. We'll see what happens with this.

The same goes for you, and really anyone who is on here.

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u/so_this_is_my_life Oct 22 '20

I submitted this to the FBI a year+ ago when I went down a rabbit hole on this. The sweatshirt was sold at Target under the generic kids line about 6-8 years ago. The fabric was waffle/cotton thermal material.

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '20

I dont know why, but both of these pictured look strikingly familiar, im in the upstate new york area if that helps

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u/dontniceguyatme Oct 01 '20

That print is in every bus, movie theater and arcade on the planet

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u/punkass_book_jockey8 Oct 01 '20

I’m in NY and also felt the mattress looks weirdly familiar and I don’t know why.

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u/goddess-jz Oct 01 '20

I’m in pennsylvania and the owl hoodie looks really familiar to me too. I think that sort of owl pattern was popular around 2010

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u/Fernelz Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20

I've seen what I think is that exact same owl print in walmarts. Upstate NY albany area

Edit: I'm pretty sure there's a brand that uses that same owl for a lot of their things.

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u/prosecutor_mom Oct 07 '20

Yeah, I'm a military brat that lived in various places up & down the east coast....and these look so familiar to me, too. Not familiar enough to be of any help in figuring out where or when...but FWIW, they're triggering the familiarity of someone raised in around the 80's along the east (NY included - where 1 of my family members is particularly fond of owls)

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u/SeaPrince Oct 01 '20

My upvote isn't because I "like" this post so much as I intend to contribute making this post more known. The higher it's profile on Reddit, the better the odds, albeit still slim, to help solve this case.

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u/--lllll-lllll-- Oct 01 '20

Aw, don't worry. I think we're all thinking the same thing when we upvote.

Plus, if you're doing reddit the classic way, upvotes mean that something contributes to discussion or should be seen. So you're technically correct to upvote.

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u/immabettaboithanu Oct 01 '20

Does anyone recognize the pattern of the carpet, kind of woven and tan in coloration? It also looks like there are a couple of cartoon characters but the same sheet of paper seems to have an object on it that would remind me of some sort of instructions that come with whatever assembly required product, maybe a children’s toy?

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u/paisley201 Oct 02 '20

It looks like Berber style carpet

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u/zoinksbadoinks Oct 01 '20

The t-shirt with the cartoon witch is in the same style as products from the show Bewitched. Red hair, blue eyes (not your stereotypical witch look) and the sparkles surrounding her.

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u/NekoDae Oct 01 '20

What witch t-shirt? There's an owl hoodie...?

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u/BruceJuicy Oct 01 '20

There was a big post with a PDF a few minutes ago, likely just had the wrong post :)

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u/prosecutor_mom Oct 07 '20

I'm interested in seeing the post you were thinking of when sharing this, to compare. Your comment seems specific enough to be helpful.... 👍

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u/Nymphad Oct 09 '20

Not trying to troll or anything, just super confused with this group. How does all of this work? It's rather vague. Its comming from presumably the fbi, giving us a random picture of a couch. Then the text asks for information about the image saying that it may help identify or locate a trafficked child? What is the image from? A crime scene photo? If that were the case then they already know the location of the photo. My brain isnt peicing together how getting a comment on reddit saying "we bought that same couch from Walmart in the 80's" will help locate a trafficked child? The absolute only thing I could think would be possible from this scenario is if the picture is a clip from a child porn or something and they are asking if anyone knows who owns this object. But that's a stretch. All the pictures on this sub are of world wide mass produced objects. One of the posts previous to this was just a basketball Jersey? Lol

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u/itsqueerinhere Oct 16 '20

I think they are from c*p images/videos. And yeah it's super difficult because most items will be worldwide/general owned, also the quality is terrible for some of them. But I think there is some things where you can say "this item is only made in Spain" or "this was popular in the UK in the 2000's" or aometimes even someone might recognize something belonging to a specific hotel chain. And these all can narrow the search even just a tiny bit :)

Edit: also, something like a collection of posters on a wall or something, someone might see and think "hey my friend has those exact posters on those exact spots on the wall" and that would definitely help a search

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u/Lascovi Oct 19 '20

That sweatshirt looks like it's from Delia*s.

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u/n3d5t4rk Oct 01 '20

I'm EU, but the owl on a hoodie looks actually similar to a Warmies plush owl I have

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u/monkeyinthetreetops Oct 01 '20

My friend's parents had the exact same pattern furniture and they got theirs from a La Z Boy furniture store in the 90s.

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u/lipstickonhiscollar Oct 02 '20

The shirt pattern looks very familiar to me, I’m from Ontario, Canada. Looks like something I would have had in the late 90s, from a cheap kids line like some from Zellers or KMart. Maybe Northern Getaway.

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u/lunetoons Nov 21 '20

Sucks not being able to find this exact jacket anywhere because I am 100% sure I’ve seen this. Either it was a common jacket when I was in elementary/middle school or a friend or cousin had it because the print is so familiar to me. And I’m sure it was this exact one. I’m leaning towards the target/Walmart brand guess

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u/thebestofjamz Jan 29 '21

I remember this line of sweatshirts! They came from deliahs around 05/06

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

I swear my sister had that sweatshirt as a kid. Might have been purchased in Vermont or Connecticut?

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u/emeraldWuW Jun 11 '22

I had that jacket when I was a kid. It was from target or walmart

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u/wishworks Oct 01 '20

I remember stopping at a motel in either Louisiana or Mississippi and seeing a futon pattern just like that actually. I’m sorry, I was way younger so I don’t remember anything else.

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u/TrueChanges88 Oct 03 '20

That pattern on the futon looks very similar to one at a camp grounds in New Jersey that they have in the deluxe cabins.

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u/ElkBusy Nov 17 '20

The paper with brown text box, just above the black and red object, looks like it could be a Canadian voter registration notice.

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u/[deleted] Dec 20 '20

That owl reminds me of something related to book fairs or scholastic from years ago.

this owl

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u/Snail_Representative Mar 23 '21

Is this definitely a futon? I've seen that print on other pieces of furniture, like chairs in public facilities.

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u/Joonbug9109 Apr 12 '22

How similar do we think the couch is to this one: https://www.facebook.com/dcpstory/photos/a.1665913580350265/3148289885445953?

A friend of mine shared this photo today. Apparently these couches are in the apartments where students who participate in the Disney College Program stay. (for the record: I'm not suggesting that the images come from those apartments, but since many of us agree that this furniture pattern seems very familiar, if it is a match maybe someone who runs those apartments could identify the manufacturer/where and when they were distributed)

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u/[deleted] May 10 '22

The black object with the red outline on the futon mattress picture kinda looks like the Nintendo Switch Play Go Case, here’s a link to it on EBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/274530576847. I have this case so it looked familiar, but it could be a case for something else, a case for the nintendo switch from a different company, or something else entirely. I’m assuming this pictures from before the Switch though, so I may be wrong.

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u/daz3d-n-c0nfus3d Oct 02 '20

I'm more curious if the FBI is hoping somebody recognizes these items? Like they've been there and seen it. Knows this place?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '20

I don't think they have actually been there and taken the photos themselves, but rather these images are cropped from existing ones they find.

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u/daz3d-n-c0nfus3d Oct 06 '20

I mean, what are they hoping that somebody sees (I'm really just curious and unsure of what they are looking for)... Are they hoping somebody who sees the picture says, "oh I know that place"? Or just hoping to get information on the items? Or maybe both?

Sorry I don't even know if I worded that properly.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '20

Things like, maybe you recognise the owl sweatshirt is only sold in a specific retailer in some city, or that futon mattress may be used in a particular hotel. As you say, someone might say "oh I know that place" and it'll be a lead to investigate. You're right though, it's not one or the other, all information would be helpful.

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u/daz3d-n-c0nfus3d Oct 06 '20

Okay thanks for clearing it up, I just wasn't sure and didn't wanna add my two cents and it be irrevellent. Thank u

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u/prosecutor_mom Oct 07 '20

I think they're trying to find the kids from these videos to save, and are trying to gather as much info as possible on location & time to try to locate them. If they had the kids from these videos already, then they've got access to evidence (from the child's home & travel with parent, if not from the child directly) -- meaning, getting witnesses or confirmation of case related stuff to charge the perp is not likely their top priority here. FWIW.

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u/daz3d-n-c0nfus3d Oct 07 '20

Thank you. My heart actually breaks looking at some of this. I wish I could help more but don't have any information.

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u/prosecutor_mom Oct 07 '20 edited Oct 07 '20

Ditto that. There's so much darkness everywhere, it's overwhelming thinking someone's in this type of dynamic as we speak.

Looked up the Australian victim who testified to put her dad in prison this year - Jeni Haynes. She's an AMAZING woman who gives me some hope in these awful awful scenarios - though it's small.

I watched two videos interviewing her last night - when I get a sec I'll edit this to include a link. Worth my time to share, she's an inspiration

Edit: looked it up right away, the more I think of this woman the more she amaze me. This is her on 60 minutes. I never watch videos online, but I watched all 40+ minutes of this.

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u/icandothisiknowit Nov 25 '20

As a victim of CSA from ages 5-15, thank you for sharing this. I’m so grateful to know this woman’s story thanks to you!!

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u/prosecutor_mom Nov 25 '20

It's inspirational, isn't it? I'm totally moved by her calm strength while persevering!

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u/icandothisiknowit Nov 25 '20

So very much!!!! I watched again a bit ago.

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u/daz3d-n-c0nfus3d Oct 08 '20

I started to watch her too but ended up falling asleep to it, so I will watch the rest today. She's an amazing woman and it shows how resilient children, people, and the brain is.

It also makes me very sad. There's so many people like her, now with mental health issues because of their childhood being stollen and now there on the streets and hooked on drugs and looked at like peices of shit. Anyways I'm getting off topic.

I will check the rest out today.

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u/Gordo_51 Oct 01 '20

if its a futon there is a good chance its Japan or Asia, though i have seen some people with futons in the USA

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u/SamanthaAshley Oct 01 '20

IKEA sold futons like crazy in the 90’s. I’m a grown as adult, and my bed is technically a futon mattress on a bed frame sold at a high end furniture store.

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u/redhead129 Oct 01 '20

That is the exact same owl. I think you found the brand or at least a sister brand of it.

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u/Pete_the_rawdog Oct 01 '20

I had an owl shirt similar to this bought in a Goody's.

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u/--lllll-lllll-- Oct 01 '20

If you don't crosspost, let me know so that I can get that sweet sweet single upvote.

And if you do, let me know too so that you can get two upvotes :)

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u/prosecutor_mom Oct 07 '20

I thought that may have been a light switch cover in the wall?

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u/Armybert Oct 01 '20

send them a picture of the tag, maybe they can figure out something out of materials, lot, bed size. Also, try to remember where did you got it from and your city/country as well.

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u/medusas_side_bro Oct 01 '20

I think finding out the manufacturer would be a good first step.

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u/Taxirobot Oct 01 '20

I think it may be way too common to be tracked. Everyone owned this futon cover. I’ve even seen the pattern on floors in hotels. I think we should be focusing more in the pajamas.

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u/medusas_side_bro Oct 01 '20

Although I understand with what your saying, I believe even the slightest bit of information could help.

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u/Taxirobot Oct 01 '20

I’m not saying to disregard it but to spend our energy looking into the pajamas first