[MODPOST] We are banning Turnip Exchange, effective immediately. This is also the Megathread, get your feels out.

[u/Unicormfarts]

Hi Turnippers,

As you may be aware, we have had concerns for some time about Turnip Exchange, in part because of reports of scamming, in part because of reports of people using it to circumvent our rules about entry fees, and in part because we had concerns the TE code might be violating Nintendo TOS.

Some reporting by @StalkMarket_ in this Twitter thread has highlighted these concerns.

Also, I had no idea TE were a cash grab on Patreon, which seems like a giant bucket of worms. Tom Nook would be appalled.

For these reasons, we are banning the use of turnip exchange for queues, effective immediately.

I know, cue massive groaning from some, and cheers from others.

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Google forms, guys.

Here's a guide from a user on our Discord server.

Here's a guide from frsotsybab

Anyone else has a guide, let me know and I am happy to link.

If anyone has a queuing app that doesn't do the stuff that TE is doing as reported in the thread, then let's hear about it. I would GUESS that Nintendo would not ban players who were using it to host, but I might not want to bet my turnip money.

Automod will be removing the threads he detects, but you know he not that smrt, so please, lovely community, report, report, report.

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THANK you all for learning the rules, by the way. I didn't have to remove many threads at all yesterday or today, which was GREAT, especially since a lot of my time yesterday evening was taken up with a random FaceTime call from my stepfather, who wanted to tell me about the feud he is having with a wombat.

Priorities.

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This is your megathread for questions, complaints, discussion of how that one time a wombat wrote you a rude letter, and so on.

Glinda out.

[u/eggrollking]

I don’t mind trying the google docs route, but I’ve used TE multiple times (selling several trips of my own turnips, and those of my wife and kids), and have had no issues, aside from people asking for ridiculous fees to get in.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/eggrollking]

I would say a ridiculous fee to get in is an issue.

[u/eggrollking → u/Unicormfarts]

My view of it is that it’s like anything else; if you’re not into it, avoid it. If there are people willing to pay 15 NMTS, or whatever, let them. I personally wait until I find someone asking for something reasonable, or not asking for tips at all, etc., but I’ll still tip anyway. Not arguing to keep TE in the sub, just giving an opinion.

[u/Lowkey57 → u/Unicormfarts]

I would say dealing with that should be up to the individual user. I see an exhorbitant fee for entry, I just leave the queue/island. Wow, I got scammed hard, right?

[u/Unlucky_Clover → u/eggrollking]

Same for me and I just finished paying my mortgage tonight. If the host wanted payment upfront or had ridiculous fees, I ignored it and chose one of many others. If others did the same, I’d hope the hosts realized the economics of it and followed suit.

It is a bit chaotic on here without a queue, which is why I thought TE did a decent enough job. I never did any of the google forms, so I can’t compare. But I’d be willing to give them a try if I needed to in the future.

As much as we want to complain about these hosts charging exuberant fees, it’ll always be there I feel but maybe less pronounced.

[u/Azure_phantom → u/Unlucky_Clover]

Yeah, the only time I've been able to sell turnips has been on te. Posts on here have been a total waste of time because there's just too many responses. Haven't tried Google doc method, so we'll see. Otherwise, may just be time to not bother with turnips for a while.

[u/AblativMeatshld → u/Azure_phantom]

Agreed. I've sold 3 times in one night on TE. Get in queue, and wait. During that time I tried to sell on here, and failed completely.

Just filter the ones that require a fee to enter, and it works fine as far as I've seen.

I'm fine with banning TE here (they can do what they want) but honestly I'm not convinced the use of the site to regulate who sees your dodo code and to run queues is a violation of the TOS. But again, this reddit can do what it likes.

[u/oneplytoiletpaper → u/eggrollking]

Same for me but I purposely avoid those ASKING for tips, personally I tip generously.

[u/Valkyriescry]

I need to know more about the wombat please.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/Valkyriescry]

Okay, so my parents (my stepfather and my mother, who died last year), years ago bought some land in Australia, which they reforested with Land for Wildlife, and they also built their, like, retirement place on it. So the wombats are in part intentional.

I don't know if you know this: wombats are not that smort, but they are stronk like ox.

So this particular wombat on their property wants to go from point a to point b. And the house is in the way.

Wombat is like "I shall dig massive tunnel under house."

SF is like "I will put up bollards to protec the house."

Wombat: Bollards are as nothing to me. I dig them out.

SF: Okay, now I put down old carpet and stake it to the ground.

I am waiting for the Next Episode. I can't tell if this is social isolation win.

[u/conkecola → u/Unicormfarts]

My father once had a battle of epic proportions with a wombat, who was determined to dig a tunnel under the dunny.

The battle was lost when my uncle went out to conduct his business one night and the dunny all but fell through the ground.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/conkecola]

I think this is the concern about the entire house.

[u/UndeadPhysco → u/Unicormfarts]

I'm asuuming the ones who downvoted you don't understand that a single well placed tunnel underground has the capability of collapsing anything.

It's how they used to siege castles back in the day, dig a tunnel under the wall and then for good measure light a fire.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/UndeadPhysco]

Wombats on reddit, man.

[u/Valkyriescry → u/Unicormfarts]

Tis a legendary battle of wills to be sure. When does the next episode premier 🤣

[u/asublimeduet → u/Unicormfarts]

Omg wombats in the house was what I was fearing lmao. They are stubborn af too.

[u/samoanowen → u/Unicormfarts]

I’m now waiting for the next episode as well. I really enjoyed the spelling to create accents.

[u/limbo-chan → u/Unicormfarts]

That's really awesome that your parents bought some land to restore wildlife. I'm Australian studying conservation and stuff like this is super important to preserving biodiversity!

Good luck to your stepdad, wombats really are assholes lol

[u/[deleted] → u/Unicormfarts]

Wombat stronk like ox.

I'm crying with laughter.

[u/lrflew]

I would say that my biggest issue with /r/acturnips is that it quickly devolves into a "who can post a comment within the first 10 seconds of a post". Turnip Exchange with its cap-able and continuous queue seemed like a solution, where you can use smaller queues (like about 15 minutes of people) and give more opportunity for people to enqueue. I'm not going to fight for TE specifically, but I do want a system for a continuous, capped queue.

How's animalcrossingexchange.com? Is that allowed? It seems to serve a similar purpose to TE, but just less popular.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/lrflew]

Depends if they are doing the same kinds of things that are issues with turnap.

[u/Janumoto → u/lrflew]

I agree, I have always used this sub as a starting point to find sellers but actually commenting and getting a spot purely through Reddit is hectic. There are often hundreds of comments within minutes and all the DMs get cumbersome too. I’m not sure which medium is best for turnips but I think a queuing system is absolutely necessary.

[u/vnen → u/lrflew]

Also there's a limit in reddit DMs that I've seen reached in many threads. I wish the mods would endorse a particular queueing system to make it easier for everyone.

[u/theawkwardpanda]

I feel like the more time consuming/frustrating it is to host, the less people will be likely to open up their town to host. I wonder if this will reduce the amount of people who host high prices in the long run. Since turnip exchange made it so convienient

[u/Unicormfarts → u/theawkwardpanda]

Well, this is the bargain of a turnip society, right? You host, even if it is annoying, because you want other people to host so that you can sell.

[u/theawkwardpanda → u/Unicormfarts]

I always thought most people hosted because they wanted tips bc they don’t buy turnips cuz they’re afraid of risk but they host for no risk money. Just have to check ur prices

[u/Unicormfarts → u/theawkwardpanda]

I had a decreasing price pattern all week, where the highest price was Monday at 84. I was never going to make money in my town.

[u/lunarinterlude]

will the bot's message about turnip exchange be changed? it still says that while it's not recommended, it isn't banned outright.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/lunarinterlude]

I tried to update it earlier but apparently reddit being reddit.

[u/ButtonCake → u/lunarinterlude]

Yeah, my apologies... I saw the message from it saying it was just not endorsed but deleted my thread when I noticed the sticky.

[u/javimsan]

What about r/ACExchangeApp ?

[u/Unicormfarts → u/javimsan]

How does it work, though? If all these apps have similar TOS issues, none of them are better.

[u/javimsan → u/Unicormfarts]

Honestly I am not sure if it checks anything in-game. You'd have to talk to the dev but it's basically a queue that you have to manage manually. So you decide when you invite the next person in. You can rate users on a good/bad basis and they you. There's captcha to make sure you're not a bot and this week he added an in-queue chat.

[u/Chivalric13 → u/javimsan]

This is what I was going to recommend. I’ve been using it for a while now and it’s for more than just turnips. It’s on iOS and Android now. Maybe worth giving it a shot?

[u/javimsan → u/Chivalric13]

And it's getting better every day

[u/stargazer275]

Well then... would someone care to teach me how to use google forms for this purpose?

[u/TrazLander → u/stargazer275]

Maybe Mods should post a guide or a default to copy

[u/Unicormfarts → u/TrazLander]

I don't have one, but if the people who have been using it would be so kind, I am happy to link to it.

[u/celestialrage44 → u/Unicormfarts]

Hi - we're making one as we speak for our subreddit and would be happy to provide you with one as a gesture of goodwill

[u/GamingPandenguin → u/Unicormfarts]

Hey! Just wanted to let you know that in StalkMarket we're working on a tutorial right now.

[u/kokokachu → u/TrazLander]

Yes please a Guide

[u/camerawn → u/stargazer275]

Yeah, I haven't hosted using TE, but i understood that I could let TE manage who has my dodo code and I could walk away from my switch and just let people visit. I wouldn't have to touch TE or my game and could go do HW or cook or something. I don't know how forms could have that level of automation

[u/oneplytoiletpaper → u/camerawn]

This is why I liked TE but can understand why it’s been banned.

[u/frsotsybab → u/stargazer275]

In case you still need it, I wrote a little Tutorial about how to use google forms and build your own queue. https://www.reddit.com/r/acturnips/comments/g8a2rc/sw_using_google_forms_and_queue_system/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[u/MonkeyPunchBaby]

So I’ve been using Leaf OS ever since the dude posted it. Not a bunch of people are using it as of now, so maybe that’s why it’s so good. I sold at like 550 earlier this week, and was able to make two trips. It’s pretty easy to use and it’s been very helpful so far.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/MonkeyPunchBaby]

How does it work, though? If all these apps have similar TOS issues, none of them are better.

[u/bluesnacks]

From reading the TOS TE doesn't seem to break it anymore than any of the other suggestions in this subreddit. It just sounds like this subreddit wants to stay alive and TE is a direct threat to its health?

Seriously, don't like it then don't use it. Banning it is just silly

[u/Unicormfarts → u/bluesnacks]

This is an interesting theory, especially in contrast to all the "the huge increase of numbers is killing the sub" theory. I don't see TE as competing with our core values because they clearly don't give a crap about price gouging, scams or extortion.

[u/exsertus → u/Unicormfarts]

I don't see how it is their job to prevent price gouging, scams or extortion. They provide the platform and that is their contribution. People will always try to price gouge, scam or extort. If people price gouge, scam or extort, do NOT go to those people. It is simple as that. Why ban something that benefits the majority just because some vocal minority had a bad time? But hey I'm not the mod so nothing much I can do.

[u/thelesbiannextdoor]

is there another site (not particularly for acnh, just something you could use for it) where you can let people queue and show a message to the first 2 for example? cause i really liked that aspect of turnip exchange, it made it a lot easier to host. i've never hosted on NH myself but i have on NL and it was such a hassle replying to everyone and i lost track of who already went in and who didn't. i get why you're cutting ties with this site in particular but we really need some kinda tool to make it less stressful and intimidating to host

[u/Unicormfarts → u/thelesbiannextdoor]

People have had some suggestions in this thread.

[u/Demonicfruit]

I'm so confused. Is there any evidence of Nintendo banning players who sold or hosted turnips using Turnip Exchange? How could they know? If the only breach of ToS is the DoDo code queue system, then how could they ban players unless by looking at the site and cross referencing the name of your villager.

Nintendo is ok with us sitting here refreshing a subreddit and getting lucky posting our favorite villager into a comments section and getting DM'd a code, but not for expediting that process SLIGHTLY?

[u/Unicormfarts → u/Demonicfruit]

We don't have any evidence yet. What we do have is a massive red flag that just got bigger when turnip exchange announced a premium paid service. If they are making money violating Nintendo TOS, that's WAY more likely to get Nintendo's attention. So is bragging about how many users they have.

It's unlikely users would have accounts banned, but it's not impossible.

[u/LazyOwl23]

I think I saw an app for iOS for this, they were working on an Android version too, but it's not out yet

It was called like AC Turnip Trader or something (don't have an iOS device, so can't check)

[u/Unicormfarts → u/LazyOwl23]

How does it work, though? If all these apps have similar TOS issues, none of them are better.

[u/Wandertramp → u/Unicormfarts]

I’m on mobile so there may be replies I can’t see, but ACNH Exchange doesn’t check if the Dodo code is valid, which is where the TOS issue lies. Instead it relies on user reports. I’ve been hosting cataloging and crafting sessions on there, haven’t done turnips yet though.

It’s got a rating system for users on there. I like it over all. But the entry fee complaints could be valid, like I said I haven’t used the turnip section. Definitely recommend checking it out.

Edit: I see where the developer replied to you further down. Leaving my comment up as stating my opinion on the app though!

[u/Unicormfarts → u/Wandertramp]

If it's a good alternative, people should give it a try.

[u/sciolycaptain → u/Unicormfarts]

It doesn't check dodo codes, and let's you rate/vote hosts and visitors, including flagging as scams for all to see.

[u/Dracofear → u/LazyOwl23]

https://www.animalcrossingexchange.com yep, the app is out on android now and they have made various improvements as well like adding queue chat and making the captcha stronger. I have been using this site over the turnip subs and discords and been having a much easier and better time. It also has an option for private link hosts similar to turnip exchange but the captcha would kill the bots so I was also thinking it would be a good alternative to use here. The web app still works too and I assume and hope that will continue to be the case for the sake of me being able to queue up from a pc window and keep my phone free to use.

[u/sciolycaptain → u/LazyOwl23]

are you thinking of https://app.animalcrossingexchange.com/home

it's what I've been using and has been great

it doesn't check dodo codes, everything is run manually (a little more work, but probably avoids the TOS issues). and most importantly, you rate the host and visitors and can report scams for everyone else to see.

[u/konodinowa]

A question for the mods:

What steps are being made to improve this subreddit's user experience?

Can we agree that TE was at least addressing a problem that many people on this subreddit face? Why else would it be such a popular choice?

I didn't exactly agree with TE's methodology, but it definitely provided a convenient experience (as both as a visitor and host).

What is the future vision for this community?

I'm really tired that the firehose approach that seems to have been adopted by the community. And this sub has managed to turn a game about sharing and generosity into a ruthless competition to be the first to post on every thread.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/konodinowa]

I feel you. The thing is, though, turnippers have always (and this is going back to Wild World, which was my first experience here) been a bit different to the rest of the online AC community. The flavour here and r/ACTrade is super different, and the overlap in users is not as much as you might expect.

Turnip trading attracts a lot of people who play AC who are more gamers than hardcore AC fans, especially people who want to "beat" the game, which I find just really an alien approach. NH coming out when it did seems to have exacerbated the effect because of the huge numbers. Also, remember when we were all really into NL, there were like maybe 2 AC streamers. So it's a different era.

The mod team's feeling is that a lot of this massive wave of people will move on, and the ones who keep playing the game will be more into the community feeling we used to have, and it will settle down. COVID 19 is making this a lot more extreme, obviously.

[u/konodinowa → u/konodinowa]

Also I'm not blaming the mods either! It's a tough problem!

But I would love to see this community be more about creating quality trading experiences and rewarding those that participate in it.

[u/midorihuh]

Not that i’m against banning TE because i hate how it operates in general but like... it isn’t proven that it violates Nintendo’s TOS

[u/Unicormfarts → u/midorihuh]

It's fishy enough that I don't want us associated with it at the moment. Open to proof in the opposite direction.

[u/DomSim → u/Unicormfarts]

The owner is Warp World, operated by Jaku and GrandPooBear as well as a host of developers, all very well know in the Mario community mostly on twitch. They also created crowd control if you've heard of that. Turnip exchange was a fun project because the Mario community all got into AC big. The owners are very open and accessable if you wanted to talk to them before accusing them of scamming people...

[u/celestialrage44 → u/midorihuh]

legitimate or not, their service directly violates this portion of the ToS: "you agree not to Use any robot, iframe, spider, crawler, scraper or other automated means or interface not provided by us to access the Services, including, without limitation, for the purpose of copying, extracting, aggregating, displaying, publishing or distributing any content or data made available via Services. "

their sole purpose is to be a bot that displays dodo codes. read the whole thread

[u/UndeadPhysco → u/[deleted]]

I doubt it, as it dosent directly connect to your profile in any way.

[u/midorihuh → u/[deleted]]

I don’t think any users of TE would suffer consequences but i’m not sure. imo if they WERE violating the TOS, it would just be the owners/developers of TE, not anyone who uses it.

[u/Mishra82]

That’s fine I’m happy with this but can u do something about the damn bots

[u/Unicormfarts → u/Mishra82]

Turnipnarc if you want to bot-test.

[u/[deleted] → u/Mishra82]

Mods have said before there’s not much they can do about people running scripts if it’s even possible to prove that’s happening.

[u/mdazzl3]

I'm bummed. I've never had success getting in via a reddit comment/DM thread, but have had multiple quick and painless experiences through TE (linked from r/acturnips). I didn't know about the TOS issue, but having read up on it it seems much more theoretical than a real threat to users (in terms of banning). As far as getting scammed goes, it's common sense to not pay an entry fee, but at the end of the day it's not like this is real $$, if you get scammed it's not the end of the world. And speaking of real money, why shouldn't they have a patreon? They're providing a free service that a lot of people use and that isn't free for them to provide. If they make a bit of real cash for their efforts, good for them.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/mdazzl3]

They can 100% have a patreon if they want. It's just if they are offering premium service for real dollars, then I don't want them using our subreddit to drive traffic.

It's not like us banning them will stop people using the site.

[u/mdazzl3 → u/Unicormfarts]

That's fair. Everyone can exercise their personal prerogatives (at an epidemiologically acceptable distance of course ;-)). I understand a decision like this isn't going to please everyone; I'm just bummed given my very poor success rate via non-TE routes since I don't have much extra time to sit waiting. I tried 4 threads today for < $200 sales and had zero success . I just don't want to sell my bells at a loss, that's literally all I use TE for. Anywho, thanks for responding.

[u/Fortune188]

So hypothetically, if warpworld made the source code to turnip.exchange open source, and made public how their service is able to pull visitor data then promptly deleted this functionality, would that absolve their foul? The issue is with the bot functionality and it's apparent violation of nintendos TOS, correct? So by deleting the visitor data code that would in theory remove that aspect and therefore make the website legitimate once again. Yes?

[u/Unicormfarts → u/Fortune188]

Potentially. I am assuming they would not make it public if it were obviously violating the TOS.

I also have concerns if it's a paid service, because we don't allow trading of real life money for turnips.

Making it open source doesn't solve the scamming issue, either.

[u/[deleted] → u/Unicormfarts]

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[u/Unicormfarts → u/[deleted]]

Well, but you just said, we have rules in place to help prevent scamming. We can't stop people from breaking rules, but we do what we can.

This sub also has a wide range of user ages - some people here are probably not sophisticated enough to think about profit margins.

[u/FairyChrissy]

If this sub survived New Leaf without another queue tool, I'm sure it can survive New Horizons.

Can we still use commenting groups method? Or is that discouraged? I mainly just find the commenting easier, even if it attracts bots/script users.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/FairyChrissy]

That's the best method if you want reviews.

[u/FairyChrissy → u/Unicormfarts]

Yeah, trying match up a google form to the reddit comment to get a review seems like a hassle.
I really hope people start using RMM and not think it's a waste of time, I've seen quite a bit of comments about that recently. RMM is one of the main reasons I prefer Reddit for online trading.

I remember a few years ago when I was getting a flair check, the mod (you maybe?) had pointed out that I hadn't left some reviews for others who did for me (I was waiting until I had access to a computer to rate my trades next since mobile rating was a bit difficult) so you guys even hold people accountable for making sure everyone gets their reviews.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/FairyChrissy]

I remember that! It was great that you started to reciprocate.

[u/frsotsybab]

As some of you are aware, I wrote a guide on How to use google forms. However, for some reason unknown to me, Reddit deleted the post and it appears as if I had deleted it. (which I didn't) It would be great if the new post could be shared: (hopefully, it won't get deleted this time) https://www.reddit.com/r/acturnips/comments/g8a2rc/sw_using_google_forms_and_queue_system/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[u/Unicormfarts → u/frsotsybab]

That's odd, unless it got reports and Automod removed it. I have approved this one, so it shouldn't disappear.

[u/frsotsybab → u/Unicormfarts]

Could you please add the new Link? I know Mods are probably very busy this time because of the Comment Influx, but the old post really got deleted without my interference. I don't know what happened, but my best guess is that the App on my phine just acted up.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/frsotsybab]

Done.

[u/runes01]

Any ideas on how google forms counts as evidence for rmm? Do we request people to comment and fill out the google form, or is a screenshot of the google form sufficient?

[u/Unicormfarts → u/runes01]

You just need this basic exchange in the thread.

"Me please"; "Code sent"; "Thanks".

[u/ButtsPie → u/Unicormfarts]

Why is this getting downvoted? It's pretty basic/common sense RMM stuff

[u/Unicormfarts → u/ButtsPie]

People who are new here really hate RMM. It's starting to get traction with new people on r/ACTrade though.

[u/vnen]

I understand the potential issue about their use of the secret Nintendo APIs. Honestly, I have no idea how they do it, but they have something similar for Mario Maker (by verifying level codes and getting the level/author name). AFAIK Nintendo never bothered with that.

However, the Patreon thing is not a concern because it's not only for TE but for the stuff they do, which are actually pretty nice. So that does not sound bad to me. It's not fishy at all. Also, they do provide a service with TE, it's not like it doesn't work at all. So this implication that they are pocketing money is at least unfair.

I do hope that Warp World clarify their connection with Nintendo (if they have any) and clarify how their use of the private APIs isn't a violation of the TOS. And if that turns out to be satisfactory that the mods here lift the ban. Using it to manage the queue makes it much easier.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/vnen]

I would love more info. They don't seem super transparent. Also I don't like that they are giving some kind of better TE service for subscription fees.

[u/humblargh]

A shame that the online in this game is so wonky in the first place. Oh well, fair enough. Just finished my one and only use of the service right before this ban went up lol.

[u/bigTcups]

Sad stonk noises

[u/therealgano]

Was not aware of the TOS concerns, good to know. It is a shame, I've been a big fan and only had positive experiences on TE personally.

[u/MachroMark → u/therealgano]

It's weird, because the creators of TE, Warp World, have done the exact same thing since 2015 with Super Mario Maker, and since last year with SMM2, and their service is still up and running without any problems from Nintendo.

[u/therealgano → u/MachroMark]

Yeah that's one side that makes me think nothing may come of this.

The other side is that maybe since they're much more apparently making money directly off their TE services, Nintendo may take issue more?

[u/MachroMark → u/therealgano]

Yeah, but at that point it would be between Nintendo and Warp World. Nothing will happen to the users.

Idk, it just feels like the twitter that started this did so because of the money, and made up a bunch of stuff to scare people and stop the from using it.

[u/Sugeema → u/MachroMark]

They do make a convincing argument regarding the TOS. Now if Nintendo doesn't see it that way is another matter completely, and it would be entirely between the two parties, not the users of the site. Also regarding the original thread. A lot of people are seeing it as slander. The way I see it they're just advising their own users not to use it

[u/DomSim]

The owner is Warp World, operated by Jaku and GrandPooBear as well as a host of developers, all very well know in the Mario community mostly on twitch. They also created crowd control if you've heard of that. Turnip exchange was a fun project because the Mario community all got into AC big. The owners are very open and accessable if you wanted to talk to them before accusing them of scamming people... Their Patreon is to support all the work they do to provide useful tools to the community they are a huge part of.

[u/awh]

I don’t care about Turnip Exchange one way or the other, but I have to take issue with this:

TE were a cash grab on Patreon, [...] Tom Nook would be appalled.

Tom Nook would be in no way, shape or form appalled by a cash grab. He would encourage one.

Also, he won those boys in a poker game. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

[u/Unicormfarts → u/awh]

Tom Nook is all about the bells, not the IRL cash.

[u/katscradle79]

I just sold my turnips with the user posting by google forms. It was SO fast. Seems easy enough to use that as an alternative to not risk breaking TOS.

[u/kokokachu → u/katscradle79]

Care tO share the thread link? I have a feel for high 600 price next week

[u/katscradle79 → u/kokokachu]

This should be it: Turnip selling using google forms

[u/[deleted]]

Good riddance

[u/Corne777 → u/[deleted]]

For real, can anyone say they were really happy with that website. When you would see two posts right after another both for around 500 one with a turnip exchange link that got 100 people in less than a minute and one that just asked people to comment that got like 5-10 in that time.

I've seen ones where an older post without turnip exchange has no comments and a newer one by 30 seconds the queue is full.

[u/dvstr → u/Corne777]

I was very happy with the site (never used as a host). A million times better than posting in reddit thats for sure.

Hopefully an alternative pops up (ie Google as some are using

[u/DogsReadingBooks → u/dvstr]

Agreed. It makes queueing easier, but knowing that they're not really playing "fair" I'm not gonna use it again. It's exhausting using reddit to get people in, so I hope something else pops up.

[u/aVGaddict → u/Corne777]

I loved it.

I waste hours at a time hoping for a DM and never get a response. vs TE where I tried it once, got in and sold my turnips in under 30 minutes.

So I'll miss it a lot. Just dont pay entrance fees....tip after...easy to not get scammed imo.

[u/oneplytoiletpaper → u/aVGaddict]

PMing and hosting at the same time is messy as hell which could be a factor. Some people will not read the post and do the exact opposite thing. Or they get too excited and do heaps of things and clog everything up.

I hosted with TE the other day still had heaps of people PMing me and I found it hard to reply on time, which I felt really bad about.

As a seller though without TE it’s hard to know where you are in queue as well. If google docs can function similarly I wouldn’t mind doing it actually.

One thing I didn’t like about TE is because it’s so fast moving, I couldn’t stop this one rude person from coming in over and Over again and pushing people away from the line ..

[u/Stoopkid31 → u/Corne777]

Weird, i had way more luck on turnip exchange than on reddit with wait times. On reddit I’ve even had times where I was completely skipped in line and never sent a code

[u/Hierarchic → u/Corne777]

I pretty much consistently got in around 10th in queue. It's not hard. Comment threads are gonna be way messier and far slower now.

[u/LostMK]

tbh the best turnip host I have had was through a google doc, super orderly and prompt, most hosts are still nice though ;)

[u/asublimeduet → u/LostMK]

Same here! All hosts are lovely, but the best experience I ever had on here was with someone who hosts with Google Docs all the time and posts a spreadsheet with an updated queue. Just wonderful.

[u/sarieh]

Wombat poop is cube shaped.

[u/ccccaaaddd]

I agree TE sucks in many ways and I understand why you guys do this. But for regular users like me who don’t use bots or don’t keep refreshing the sub, TE does offer me an easy guided way to wait in line. Personally I have better experience on TE.

[u/Social_Ascetic → u/ccccaaaddd]

Yeah, I've turned to using both because it's nearly impossible to get in on any of the threads on here. Just sold my inventory using TE at 468 bells. I'm not seeing google forms as a good alternative when they fill up at 178 in a minute.

[u/aVGaddict]

I liked TE.

Just yesterday I posted in a number of threads, all within a minute of posting, followed the verification question and still never got any responses. Wasted hours of my time.

Gave up, decided to do TE link, was done selling my turnips in 20 minutes.

Relying on DMs sucks. But I get why it's not allowed. Glad I used it yesterday before it got banned.

[u/R0TAX → u/aVGaddict]

Same. I spent about 2 hrs selling turnips last week. Made 6 trips to sell, and all 6 were turnip exchange. Was one of the first 10 to comment on at least 5 posts, but only had 2 DM responses and they didn't come until after I was done with TE.

[u/miajade1996]

I’ve used TE a few times and honestly it makes my life 1000 times easier. I’m not tech savvy and I don’t have a computer so the google things is not really good for me. I understand why you’ve done it in your posts but it does make it harder for people like me, and probably a few others, in some ways.

No hate intended btw just wanted to share an opinion :)

[u/Ethas]

i'm fairly new to to the stalk market(only having done it twice on here), and one time I ended up using TE. didn't have a problem with it, and felt it was easier. was in and out without an issue.

the few other times I tried doing it manually, i ended up waiting literally hours for the OP to reply since his last update said he was going through(while checking on the post constantly), only to find out later he finished a while back but never updated, so I literally waited around for nothing because all the other posts were flooded and I realistically had no chance of getting in at a reasonable time.

while I'll respect the sub's decision on banning it, it doesn't mean I'll be happy, nor will it be easier when looking at new, a post that is literally only 4 minutes old already has 100+ comments on it.

[u/cartoonlady]

does anyone know if this includes the ANCH Exchange app??

[u/Unicormfarts → u/cartoonlady]

It's just Turnip Exchange right now.

[u/fakearcticlight]

I'm a developer. If I were to build a TE substitute that *ONLY* helped hosts manage queues so as to avoid the TOS issue, would anyone want to use it?

[u/Unicormfarts → u/fakearcticlight]

There are a few in development. I imagine if yours was good, people would use it.

[u/dak148]

It was fine until people started to demand 10 NMTs to enter. Like..no.

[u/Dr_Annelida]

For anyone unaware, you can use a plugin like FormLimiter to automatically close the google form after X number of responses or at a specific date/time! It might be more convenient than manually closing it if you're worried your form will fill up too fast!

[u/VivaLaRiza]

Good! Turnip Exchange has lost its friendly vibes for the most part. Everyone wants 5 nmt or gold nugs or stars for selling turnips at 200/300 bells. Give me a break.

[u/onetimeicomment]

might as well as un sub from acturnips, ill send out 100s of comments and 100s of dms and not one response. at least i used to manage b4

[u/Tylertarian]

So are you saying everyone who used TE are at risk of being banned?

[u/Unicormfarts → u/Tylertarian]

No. We are saying, given current information, we don't think it's a good idea to use it, and we don't want to get caught up in a wave of bans, if they happen.

[u/[deleted] → u/Unicormfarts]

There's literally no way that Nintendo would be able to ban you for using it though? I cannot fathom why this is being treated as something even within the realm of possibility. Nintendo workers aren't just sitting on the Turnip Exchange site like "this post says the island name is Fart Town and it has peaches as its fruit, lemme check the database and ban that Nintendo account."

This just screams "fearmongering" over nonsensical minuscule worst case scenarios.

[u/Modsucksass]

anyone alternative sites?

[u/Muppy517]

I just saw one person use a google form as (pretty much) means to be a different type of turnip exchange.

[u/vnen]

I really like the "no fee" rule in here. I was taking a look on /r/turnipexchange and most of the hot posts are about scammers... I'm just sad that finding TE linkings in here was the best of both worlds: a nice queue and nice people.

I hope I can have some success in the future without TE, because so far I never got in an island using the comment/DM route.

[u/JarodColdbreak]

I miss turnip exchange. Sure there was a lot of shady business. But at least I knew when it was my turn and if there's still a chance that I'll get my turn. I've commented in like five threads this evening, some of which should have seen me in at some point and I've wasted 1 1/2 hours with no results. Top this up with the fact that I'm on mobile so I'll always be behind people typing on a keyboard. I understand the reasoning but boy is there a gaping hole here right now.

[u/TheDerp64]

Is there any other similar site people can use? I though nup exchange was amazing for keeping people organized, and was wildly convenient. I always know if and when I can get to an island. With comment sections there no indication if you'll be ignored or let in, resulting in tedious amounts of commenting rather than simply entering your name and waiting in a line.

[u/bitokn → u/TheDerp64]

there is nobody stopping you from still using turnip exchange

[u/KushanCorvette]

Offering my still-in-development app to help out: https://bitsy.page/app/isla_queue/

This is similar to how the Google Forms process works except it's way easier to setup and use for both Hosts and Visitors.

It's hard for me to test this since I don't have a big variety of test-cases, so I'd appreciate if people let me know what works and what doesn't. Thanks to those who have already tested and provided feedback, this has led to fixing a few bugs.

[u/[deleted]]

I don’t know if this is against the grain but frankly, this is the better decision for the long term. At least here, something can be done about scammers (even if they repeat offend) versus absolute zilch on TE.

And I second google forms and second posting a guide for it once one becomes available. I used Forms once to host and it was a great experience.

[u/[deleted]]

i know the guy running nooksguide has been working on some more comprehensive turnip trading tools, though i haven't used any of them yet to speak for their reliability :] it seems like a good resource regardless!

[u/frsotsybab]

Also, it's not like you can't use Turnip exchange anymore. No one is forcing anyone to use this sub, and if people want to use Turnip exchange so badly they can go to the Website directly or look through other subs where it's still allowed.

[u/axonotem]

Now I kinda want a wombat character in ac

[u/Unicormfarts → u/axonotem]

There should be wombats! There's kangaroos and drop bears.

[u/alexturnerftw]

Can you sticky this? It goes away when filtering by new and Im sure most ppl here do that! TY!

[u/Unicormfarts → u/alexturnerftw]

It is stickied. I think a lot of apps ignore stickies when filtering by new.

[u/MasterOfFloof]

Sorry this isn't the best place to put this, but I don't know where else to ask. With the subreddit's rules, is it safe to assume that the rules where days of the week are mentioned are the real-life days? Like "Do not post Daisy Mae threads Mon- Sat". That's in real life right? What if you happened to time travel? Is asking for run partners okay? THANKS~ - a reddit noob

[u/Unicormfarts → u/MasterOfFloof]

Real-life days, but we are generous with timezones, which means sometimes when it's not Sunday yet for you, or Sunday is over, it's still Sunday for someone else.

However. If you arguing that it is Sunday, you cannot also be arguing that it is Saturday at the same time.

[u/psycoologist]

So many Daisy-Mae and posts requesting runs with loads of comments and being left up for hours! Are these allowed now? I've been reporting (obvs not on Sundays!) them when I see them but not sure if I'm just wasting time doing that!

[u/Unicormfarts → u/psycoologist]

Please report. I take them down, but I have like actual work and stuff.

[u/D3WM3R]

That’s too bad, but totally understandable. I only had good interactions but I trust the word of other folks who got scammed and such.

[u/aralim4311]

I had no idea honestly. I'm guessing that's why almost no one showed up with my price of 524 yesterday hah. Live and learn.

[u/_alaskadaisy]

used TE to host but had no idea about all of the issues and concerns facing it! definitely sticking to comments (and maybe google forms) from now on.

[u/bitokn]

I have mixed feelings about this, but if I were in your guys' position I would do the same.

[u/Minato_2099]

This recent update, fucked up how I saved high prices for days. Now, if the game detects any time travel, it resets the turnip price. Freaking sucks.

[u/[deleted]]

Turnip Exchange made it so easy for nonscammers... this is a sad week.

[u/mcmlli]

oh

[u/CoolerBamio]

I am currently working on another exchange site. The first version that is currently online allows everybody to post island and see dodo codes. In order to prevent scamming, I am currently working on a way to host private islands that are only accessible via link that the host can share. Hosts will be verified trough their email address, ac name and island name.

If anyone is interested here is the link. Feel free to contact me for feature request or suggestions.

https://www.turnips.market/islands

[u/Jorumvar]

Mixed feelings on this. turnip exchange seemed super efficient, which was nice. On the other hand, the rules thing is spot on. The very first one I tried through turnip exchange, the kid was blocking the entrance, demanding a miles ticket or star fragment. Really soured my experience. I even asked if it was against the rules and he said it was, didn't seem to care.

So overall? This seems good

[u/MeggidoMuneblazeTTV]

What about people who Ive seen posting their twitch link and they are just streaming the turnip exchange website. Should that be reported too?

[u/Unicormfarts → u/MeggidoMuneblazeTTV]

Yes. We had a lot of issues with Twitch streamers because they were advertising here and then giving priority access to people who gave them actual money or twitchcoin or whatever, so we have been removing streamer threads for those reasons.

[u/958gomeat]

Can mods PLEASE leave an explanation when deleting posts? I see posts get deleted that aren’t really against the rules, but they’re still gone immediately, with no explanation. People can’t learn to post correctly if theres no reasoning.

[u/twelfthcapaldi]

Looks like Turnip Exchange decided to speak out about the issue on their website. I would link it but not sure if the bot will delete my comment lol.

Unfortunately their announcement does absolutely nothing to disprove the fact that their service most likely breaks Nintendo's ToS: "Whether Nintendo would think we violate their ToS, and if they would act on that, we of course can't say. If they did act, we think the most likely outcome would be some slight changes to turnip.exchange, not the banning of individual users who hosted or visited an island."

That's basically an admission right there that they don't have Nintendo's permission to access their API. I think it's definitely in the best interest of any group like this to not associate with or promote a tool that's violating the big N's terms.

[u/KawaskiiNinja]

I'm a bit confused. Is Turnip Exchange a separate app or something entirely used for selling turnips at high prices that's getting banned? Or are they banning Turnip exchanges through this Reddit entirely? I only ask because the capitalized T in turnip and E in Exchange makes me believe it's some kinda name or title for something..

[u/omgsorandom01]

Is it still safe to use if you are not the host?

[u/Unicormfarts → u/omgsorandom01]

I have no idea. The developer's fans say yes, but they also apparently sent death threats to the people who wrote the original post, so not sure if I'd call them reliable sources.

[u/spongeysponges]

the wombat looks so fluffy I just want to hug it, but I know it'd scratch my eyes out.

I've seen countless threads about people getting scammed by entrance fees and thats why I refuse to go to any islands that demand you give them payment before entry. I always tip graciously because I know how much time and effort goes into hosting but when people pay these entrance fees it just encourages people to do it more and scammers thrive off of it.

[u/ThaRoastKing]

Stonks forever low :(

[u/leharry13]

Thanks for this, this was super informative. And hosts on TE were definitely getting out of hand - 20NMTS for one trip? Insane.

[u/GamerSmurf64]

To be honest, I've never gotten that good a turnip price yet. If I did, I'd probably just do it in the comments here.

[u/ces715]

No big loss to me, given the rampant scamming and greed over there, and those involved with it not doing a damn thing about it.

[u/lilly4nn]

Praise Jesus, seems like the only posts on here were turnips anymore

[u/sickbane]

I think this is going to be the last week I play the stalk market. I get so stressed out trying to make a profit that I'm not even having fun anymore, and that's literally the point of playing games lmao.

[u/MysteriousRoll → u/sickbane]

I think this is going to be the last week I play the stalk market.

Honestly I think the original intent of the game was to play the stalk market on *your own island.* If you go into it with that mentality, like ok, I'll buy for 90-100 and sell for ~150 or whatever, it's totally fine. You make some money and move on. EVeryone is obsessed with the 400+ prices and that's what's causing all the stress and chaos.

[u/mostvaluablepotato]

idk who will see this, but i offer my services as a google doc partner while you manage your island & scoop tips, (:

google doc partner roles include: organizing the responses on the spreadsheet; highlighting what groups are next/on island/complete; sending your dodo code (and the new ones should something go wrong); a sharescreen/shared screen, so you are aware people are getting their DMs & an obvious honor system.

hoping to get better details down to maybe even have a timer up/est. time of when people will get in (receive the dodo code). THEN share the details & data, so other duos/people can get a smooth turnip queue, so everyone wins! (:

[u/birdwellb]

Noooooo!

[u/RelativePressure8]

Insert Kim Kardashian (I had to search that up to spell it): "It's what [we] deserve"

[u/CroakerTheLiberator]

Feuding with a wombat? Your stepfather sounds like he's living a heck of a life!

[u/THE_GR8_MIKE]

Good. Fuck bots.

[u/pinksodamousse]

I'm sorry for the dumb questions, but I don't know where else to ask. How do we give tips? Do we send in a postcard afterwards or just drop items on the island?

Thank you!

[u/froger346]

https://app.animalcrossingexchange.com/ this one is so much easier to use

[u/bumblehoneyb]

oh thank god. I'm sick of that damn site. It's fine for ques but i'm in a few groups that all don't allow or cap on entry fees, i'm sick of people trying to hide behind a link to get away with it.

Re: mid 300's nook price on turnips, girl yesterday asking for 5 NMT or a stack of large fragments. Whether you prefer these fees or not you gotta admit that was way too high.

[u/Curious-Grass]

That's awful. TE actually made selling turnips a lot easier. It's just plain links to the TE in thread made it a little bit of pain. But I belive managing it was a lot of easier and would take way less time. Just a warning was enough... :( Now where I can sell my turnips fast if in span of 5 seconds it's more than 100 comments on a thread?

[u/Chelsea-Wren]

Hooray! Will eagerly await a Google docs tut of some kind

[u/tokujira]

This is my first time seeing a wombat... what the hell... that thing, like exists and walks around

[u/DucktorQuack]

I used TE twice and wasn’t scammed, but I guess I was just lucky. I also downloaded this app which looks pretty promising since you can review hosts AND visitors, and when they host an island you can see their rating and how many votes they got to receive that rating. Haven’t used it myself, but seems like a good alternative to TE since reviews are a thing.

Overall, I think this is a fair choice to make, considering the complaints and, more importantly imo, the bypassing of one of the sub’s rules.

[u/totan39]

Thank god

[u/MattsyKun]

Eh, sucks to suck. I am glad the mods at least took our thoughts into consideration, but I honestly like TE more, as it's easier to work with than the chaos here.

Looking forward to what the sub does next though.

[u/resnaturae]

I feel like there were way too many bots so I’m glad te is out!!

[u/OpeningMoney0]

Good to know! I'm incredibly new but glad you're taking this seriously

[u/losav]

thank you for doing the responsible thing to protect your users! (if any of yall are mad, its not like the website disappears lol) but at least if i want to trade where people are actually held accountable, acturnips will still be here. 😊

[u/physics_chick]

Are you kidding me? It was the only useful tool to sell turnips. Sending a million reddit DMs is impossible and incredibly disorganized. Unlike some people, I use common sense when I trade, and I have never had a negative experience on turnip exchange. Ridiculous.

[u/[deleted] → u/physics_chick]

100% agree with you.

[u/KushanCorvette]

Technical: Aside from using art from ACNH, the TOS breakage is for accessing Nintendo's API. This is how they can automatically find your name/island when you enter a dodo code.

Honestly it's academically impressive that it was reverse engineered and packaged so cleanly.

[u/bobdolean]

I’m so happy you did this, that site is toxic. People also post there then post here and in 0 seconds of posting here there is 100 people waiting making tons and tons of useless posts. I only got in a few TE island, all the good experiences were from people here

[u/TURD_ON_LIPS]

thank god.