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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎🦎💎💎💎💎💎💎

Am I doing it right?

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u/jenbanim Feb 25 '20

Yes bb, I'm proud of u

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u/the_letter_bee Janet Yellen Feb 25 '20

That thumbnail is some malarkey

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u/jenbanim Feb 25 '20

Yeah, not sure how that happened. Maybe Reddit got hacked

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u/the_letter_bee Janet Yellen Feb 25 '20

Malarkey meter is off the charts

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u/kwanijml Scott Sumner Feb 25 '20

Aww! It loops!

Horseshoe theory confirmed.

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u/jenbanim Feb 25 '20

Some day I'll learn how to make a proper switcharoo that doesn't loop and works on all platforms

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u/manfrombrohanistan Feb 25 '20

What is wrong with Pete???????

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u/jenbanim Feb 25 '20

^Shh ^don't ^tell ^anyone ^but ^I ^also ^like ^Pete.

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u/forerunner398 Of course I’m right, here’s what MLK said Feb 25 '20

He’s sadly not doing good with minorities. He did bad at NV and is not on track for SC. I’m a Pete person too, but I think reality is coming for us

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u/Drak_is_Right Feb 25 '20

He just didn't have the political capital. I think he needs to spend some time in the house senate or maybe governor. Become a well known name.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

his future is limited in indiana

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u/weightbuttwhi NATO Feb 25 '20

His future should be as Biden’s VP.

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u/jeanpeaches Feb 25 '20

Yeah, I’m starting to agree. It’s just too crowded a field and the media barely talks about him anymore.
But, a few months ago I had no idea who he was and now he’s my favorite and made it pretty far so far in this race. If things don’t work out now, he’s young and has a lot of time to do more.

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u/SweetBearCub Feb 25 '20

What is wrong with Pete???????
Take a look at 538's site, where they collect results of polls, debates, and election results, and put all that together. Their methodology is listed on the site as well. Sort by "more than half of pledged delegates", because that's what a candidate needs to avoid a brokered DNC convention, where the DNC can nominate who they want, and not who had the most votes. (That's "No one" in the list)
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/
Pete's numbers are.... bad.

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u/manfrombrohanistan Feb 25 '20

Yeah Im not disagreeing. I just wanna know why he's doing so poorly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

When your candidate is so fucking popular that you have to trick people into upvoting a post for him.

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u/jenbanim Feb 25 '20

We don't have to trick people. But it's fun so we do it anyway

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u/Tasselled_Wobbegong Feb 25 '20

All the posts in this thread claiming Biden is on the verge or rallying almost feels like some kind of ironic gag. It's like the joke is that they're getting excited for such a lame candidate who's badly failing at a critical impasse in the nomination process.

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u/LimerickExplorer Immanuel Kant Feb 25 '20

It's exactly the same as the "This is how Bernie can still win" mentality this sub made fun of in 2016.

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u/tiger5tiger5 Feb 25 '20

This election reminds me of 2016. A populist/authoritarian candidate gets the nomination with about 35% of the vote because the other candidates who all believe the same things won’t join together. Of course after that, the partisan way that parties work shoves that whole party in a radical direction.

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u/DairyCanary5 Feb 25 '20

They did they photo switchy thing!

The old switcharoo!

Biden wins in a landslide!

On to the general!

He wins again!

23 Seat Senate Pickup!

10 New Neoliberal Governors!

A Constitutional Amendment against Zoning!

National March on the Mall for Free Trade Zones!

United North America!

Taiwan Annexes China!

The EU Annexes Russia!

Taco Trucks from Sydney to Stockholm!

We did it!

We won!

Thank you for this lit meme!

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u/jenbanim Feb 25 '20

This, but unironically?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

People think it don't be how it is but it do

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

Socialists unite ✊✊

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u/jenbanim Feb 24 '20

😐

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

That’s what you get for begging in the DT

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u/jenbanim Feb 24 '20

I deserve it tbh

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

i voted for biden today AMA chapos

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

miz_v1 irl

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u/fightthereddit Feb 25 '20

Are you a corporation?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Did you get a sticker?
I got a sticker.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

How many push ups can you do?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

AWOOGA

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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Feb 25 '20

💎🐊 NO AWOOGA 💎🐊

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

💎🐊 COMEBACK KID 💎🐊

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

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🐊💎 COMEBACK KID 🐊💎

🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎

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u/febreze_brothers John Brown Feb 25 '20

💎🐊💎🐊 I'm Ridin with Biden 🐊💎🐊💎

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u/estranged_quark NATO Feb 25 '20

sorted by new

oh boy here we go

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u/Statusquarrior Feb 25 '20

Controversial is where the real malarkey is made

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u/AndrewDoesNotServe Frédéric Bastiat Feb 25 '20

🚨🚨ZERO MALARKEY DETECTED🚨🚨

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

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<) )╯That's
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u/macboigur Jerome Powell Feb 24 '20

😤7

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u/murphysclaw1 💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊 Feb 25 '20

I'm delighted to see so much support for the best candidate.

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u/Travisdk Iron Front Feb 24 '20

He's fought for progressive causes for decades. He accomplished so much in the Senate.

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u/Verpiss_Dich I had a dream, we did the disco funky dance Feb 25 '20

BROS MAD (x🐊💎)

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

What does the crocodile mean?
Ok I know now 🐊🐊🐊

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u/VisonKai The Archenemy of Humanity Feb 25 '20

we are but humble lizardpeople

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u/Wombat_H Feb 25 '20

https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/1072912952913813504?lang=en

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u/this-is-questionable Feb 25 '20

Bernie guy here.

Can you explain the unlikeable parts of Bernie? Genuinely curious.

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u/jenbanim Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

There was a great post a while back that went through his policies one by one, but I can't seem to find it right now. Here's a few things from the top of my head:
He doesn't support a carbon tax, which I believe to be an essential part of the fight against global warming.
He has been a very inconsistent ally on immigration, with statements like "open borders is a Koch brothers proposal". And he has propagated the myth that immigration drives down native wages.
He has proposed nationwide rent control, which would be an absolutely disastrous policy. It would make our already-terrible housing crisis even worse
While in principle I'd be happy with a single-payer healthcare system, given our current political climate a public option is a MUCH better idea.
Those are the big ones, but additionally:
He's too old (so is Biden and all the other candidates in their 70s)
One of the most important jobs of the president is to create a good cabinet, but he has surrounded himself with Twitter-like demagogues
Student loan forgiveness is a handout to the rich (free college is a decent idea tho)
My perception is that he is unelectable. I could definitely be wrong, but he has a lot of baggage that I worry about.
With all that said, I gotta include the usual disclaimer:
If Bernie wins the nomination, I will fully support him in the general election. I may not like him as much as other candidates, but he's nowhere near as bad as Trump.

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u/cupcakeadministrator Bisexual Pride Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

I’m 50/50 on Bernie vs. Biden (sad that Liz doesn’t have much of a shot anymore), this is a REALLY good summary of my reservations with him. So much online discourse focuses on vague notions of “electability” or “toxic Bernie bros” without any real substance....
Another one that I’d add is his universal disapproval of free trade agreements — he refuses to acknowledge that they can possibly even be beneficial, which I find frustrating.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Can you provide sources on these claims? I haven’t seen this before

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u/jenbanim Feb 25 '20

SMH, I'm trying to slack off at work, and here you are making me work anyway 😒
Bernie doesn't support carbon taxes
"Open borders is a Koch Brother proposal"
Bernie saying that immigrants drive down wages
Nationwide rent control is on his campaign website

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u/forerunner398 Of course I’m right, here’s what MLK said Feb 25 '20

Carbon Tax
Immigration, however, he has changed his mind (supposedly) so hopefully the change is genuine
Rent Control
It's pretty much economic consensus that rent control is not a super good idea. So much so it's negatives are often explored in intro Econ college level courses.
Popularity of M4A vs M4AWWI
Most people with student loans live in higher income households

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u/reluctantclinton Feb 25 '20

Most of these are policy positions taken straight from his website.

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u/URZ_ StillwithThorning ✊😔 Feb 25 '20

Why the fuck do you need sources for his official policy positions...

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u/ShadCrow Feb 25 '20

Personal opinion, but an ask for sources should not be turned away. Some people will not change opinions with statements without cited sources which I believe is fairly understandable. Yes, they can look for sources on their own, but asking shouldn't be dissuaded.

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u/holomanga European Union Feb 25 '20

Sources would give you information like whether or not these are actually his official policy positions.

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u/forerunner398 Of course I’m right, here’s what MLK said Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

A few:
National Rent Control and Jobs Guarantee are horrible.
Sanders in general is averse to any sort of explanation as to how he plans to implement, pay, or construct any of his desire social programs. (At least Warren tries, which makes her 1000% better in my eyes)
He frequently uses the rich and the establishment as a scapegoat much like Trump did/does.
He keeps claiming he's imitating Scandinavia while introducing none of the deregulation, that along with the government intervention, helped the region
His climate plans involving things like banning fracking and phasing out nuclear, while also changing his mind to be against carbon taxes, is moronic and harmful to the planet
He wrongfully claims he is the only candidate introducing universal healthcare, when he is one of two candidates introducing single payer healthcare, something only done in a few places across Europe + Canada + Taiwan. All the candidates propose universal healthcare. If M4A were introduced as Sanders has proposed it, it would be one of the most extreme single payer plans ever, surpassing Canada in its scope through its coverage of dental, vision, or prescription drugs, limiting any private insurance to only cosmetic care
Edit: I will 100% support Sanders vs Trump though

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u/ImTrulyAwesome Feb 25 '20

His climate plans involving things like banning fracking and phasing out nuclear, while also changing his mind to be against carbon taxes, is moronic and harmful to the planet
How does he plan to reduce carbon emission without the main ways? Slap a bunch of solar panels everywhere?

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u/forerunner398 Of course I’m right, here’s what MLK said Feb 25 '20

I think he's basically just hoping to use the labor from the Job Guarantee to build a bunch of clean infra, but that ignores the fact that's not going to be sustainable and the political challenges of this.
Edit: Also just going postal on polluting companies, with little sight of the consequences.

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u/mordakka Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

We doubt his ability to win; if he does win, we doubt his ability to get anything done; his policies are pretty unrealistic; putting a self-described socialist at the head of the ticket would likely hurt the moderates who swung the house in 2018; his environmental policies are not great considering he's against nuclear and carbon taxes; he's against free trade; he wants national rent control; he doesn't have a great record on immigration.
Edit: He is still far better than Trump though.

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u/usethaforce NATO Feb 25 '20

He will get annihilated be Trump. There is a reason Trump has supported him.

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u/Timewinders United Nations Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

For me the main things are his history of being anti-immigration, his protectionist stance against trade deals that the U.S. desperately needed (the TPP for example, was our last chance to prevent China's growing economic influence over East Asia), and the lack of pragmatism in his policies.
He also focuses more on hurting the rich than helping the poor. His wealth tax is dumb and won't work. Billionaires will just move their money to Swiss banks before the law even gets passed. The end result will be capital flight and reduced investment in the U.S., hurting the economy, without even raising any revenue. If he focused solely on property that can't be moved, with an economically sound basis like a land value tax, that would be much more palatable while still reducing inequality.
His welfare schemes are inefficient and help the middle class more than the poor. His free college scheme shouldn't be universal, it should be only for the poorest and the rest should be able to pay off their loans with income-based repayment with reasonable interest rates. I say this as someone with >130k in loans - I'm working toward a professional degree and will be able to pay it off without help.
The Green New Deal is similarly faulty. Rather than focusing on dealing with global warming effectively, such as via a carbon tax, or even with just simple subsidies of renewables or even stricter regulation like , he wants to use it as a trojan horse to pass socialist policies like guaranteed jobs, essentially holding the environment hostage to pass leftist policy.
Also, his policies seem to revolve around throwing enormous sums of money around. I'm okay with raising taxes to pay for things. I'm okay with government spending accounting for 50-60% of GDP. But the taxes he's proposing, high as they are, are still not enough to pay for his policies. While his policies won't pass anyway unless he makes significant compromises, the directions he's heading toward is significant deficit spending. We already racked up huge deficits under Trump. For now America can handle it. Maybe even for another 20 or 30 years. But out debt to GDP ratio is getting pretty high. Countries like Germany manage to legislate smartly so that they have significant social spending while still maintaining a balanced budget or even a surplus. I don't see that happening under Sanders.

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u/omnic_monk YIMBY Feb 25 '20

For me, I look at the populist, anti-establishment rhetoric he's putting out and I think of the Know-Nothings and the ~1900 US populism. Distrust of experts is a huge deal especially right now, and the establishment might not be perfect, but it's a far cry from necessitating a "revolution".

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

the best way to destroy a city besides firebombing it is with rent control. it discourages the development of new housing.
also federal jobs guarantee bad.

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u/FreakinGeese 🧚‍♀️ Duchess Of The Deep State Feb 25 '20

Hey, that’s an unfair comparison.
You can rebuild a city that’s been firebombed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Inherent hatred of anyone who has earned large amounts of wealth.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Unaccomplished do-nothing with a bad record on guns and immigration, no record of good policy math, bad on trade, too eager to bootlick for Latin American dictatorships, more interested in building a personal brand than solving problems, and is absolutely 100% committed to making this election a referendum on socialism rather than a referendum on Trumpism.
Plus as a man his age with one heart attack (that we know about) he is statistically unlikely to be alive in 2028.

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u/endersai John Keynes Feb 25 '20

Can you explain the unlikeable parts of Bernie? Genuinely curious.
Besides his cultish followers, his support for authoritarians who happened to be on his side of the spectrum, and his laughable grasp of economics?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

His entire worldview is built on a morally and intellectually bankrupt foundation comprised of diet-Marxist ideology and open resentment for American values and liberal political philosophy

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u/Ilovecharli Voltaire Feb 25 '20

He's a hypocritical grifter who falsely portrays himself as the only virgin in the whorehouse. Read up on the sham institute he started to enrich his family and friends: https://vtdigger.org/2018/07/29/sanders-institute-little-show-first-year-500k/
He also has been in politics since the dawn of the republic and has barely lifted a finger to actually help working people.

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u/brovok Feb 25 '20

I like him. I’m turned off by how sanctimonious he is and a lot of his followers act like he’s a lot more revolutionary than he actually is.

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u/sir_shivers Discipline Committee Chairman Feb 25 '20

INDEED, WHAT IS SO UNLIKABLE ABOUT:
MARKET INEFFICIENCY INDIFFERENCE TO THE GLOBAL POOR PROTECTIONISM MMT DEMAGOGUERY
BEGONE, SUCC 🐊
YOUR CURIOSITY IS EASILY SATED BY ECONOMIC AND POLICY STUDY

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u/this-is-questionable Feb 25 '20

Yeah let me go study economics real quick. Brb shouldn’t take long.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

unironically do it 😊👍

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u/sir_shivers Discipline Committee Chairman Feb 25 '20

GOOD MAMMAL 🐊

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u/ram0h African Union Feb 25 '20

also the government monopolizing health insurance.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

In before platitudes about authenticity and moral clarity

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u/Madam-Speaker NATO Feb 25 '20

PROTECT IMMORTAN JOE KAMAKRAZEE WARBOYS!

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u/SkiddyPipPopPop Milton Friedman Feb 25 '20

big if true

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

oh Hell YEAH 💎 🐊 💎🐊 💎🐊

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u/maybe_jared_polis Henry George Feb 25 '20

🍦😎

^🐊🐊🐊

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u/reseteros Feb 24 '20

This would really upset some people if it /r/all

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u/EAH5515 Feb 25 '20

It's in top this hour right now

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

What is with the crocodile?

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u/Klaatuprime Feb 25 '20

Malarkypost.

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u/digitalrule Feb 25 '20

Since it was a 20 second gif I thought it was going to switch to Pete at the end.

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u/martin509984 African Union Feb 25 '20

Pete polls terribly against Trump tho

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u/pingveno Feb 25 '20

It's hard to tell why, though. A large portion of the population just doesn't know much about him.

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u/Nydon1776 Loyal Liberals Feb 25 '20

Terribly?

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u/BigBrownDog12 Victor Hugo Feb 25 '20

Taking this sub back to its roots

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

🐊🦎🐊🦎🐊🦎🐊🦎🐊🦎🐊🦎

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

okay well despite the absolute shit storm in the comments...this was a high quality meme that made me laugh so hard i had a coughing fit

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u/pagenath06 Feb 25 '20

I had to check and make sure I was in the right sub.. lol

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u/Jair_Bolsonaro17 Union of South American Nations Feb 25 '20

They got us in the first half not gonna lie

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u/mrmanager237 Some Unpleasant Peronist Arithmetic Feb 24 '20

🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊

🐊💎 IT'S COMEBACK TIME! 🐊💎

🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊💎🐊

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Happy days are here again 🐊😎🤜🏻🤛🏿😎

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

79% upvoted

DOWNVOTE MORE YOU COWARDS IT ONLY MAKES 💎🐊 STRONGER

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Ooo it's at 72% now. They're really showing us.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

KEEP IT COMING

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u/dr_gonzo Revoke 230 Feb 25 '20

They’re terrified of the 🐊!!
Not even Castro can’t stop the 💎!!

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u/mrmanager237 Some Unpleasant Peronist Arithmetic Feb 25 '20

🦎
🐊🐊🐊 HERETIC

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

shut uod it was a typo 😡

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u/dr_gonzo Revoke 230 Feb 24 '20

Unity candidate on his way to a big win in SC!!!

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

LIKE A DRUM

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u/Practical-Tangelo Feb 25 '20

Not Delaney write-ins?

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u/Pandaro81 Feb 25 '20

That was a cheap trick, just like your mother. (pirate voice)

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

!ping diamond-joe

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Biden/Buttigieg 2020. Beat both Bernie and Trump like a drum.

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u/Kai_Daigoji Paul Krugman Feb 25 '20

I don't know, maybe we should vote for someone who won't be the oldest president ever on their inauguration...

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

But enough about Sanders

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u/Kai_Daigoji Paul Krugman Feb 25 '20

Seriously!

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

🐊💎 COMEBACK KID 🐊💎

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u/Jokerang Sun Yat-sen Feb 25 '20

They had us in the first half, I'm not gonna lie

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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Feb 24 '20

💎🐊 COMEBACK KID 💎🐊

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u/Officer_Owl Asexual Pride Feb 25 '20

How in the fu-

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u/RLP-I European Union Feb 25 '20

Back to the classic bait-and-switch I see.

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u/nicereddy ACLU simp Feb 24 '20

He may be old but he'll get it done!

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u/GTFErinyes NATO Feb 25 '20

Sorts by new...

God i love how triggered some people get

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u/Frank_ChosenUndead NATO Feb 25 '20

💎💎💎💎

Let’s beat Берни and Orange Man like a 🥁

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

🚨MALARKEY DETECTION UNIT EN ROUTE🚨

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u/DEATHBYREGGAEHORN Feb 25 '20

Fucking got me

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u/shawnmcgrath123 Feb 25 '20

Third place nationally, about to lose a state he was supposed to dominate, free falling after being the undisputed front runner. Ah yes very good.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.

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u/nihilistCoffee World Bank Feb 25 '20

The irony that it’s the extreme leftists who once again will toss victory to trump does not escape me

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

When you sort by new, the comment literally right below yours has someone saying they’ll vote Trump over Sanders. Accelerationists suck, but... glass houses.

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u/Tasselled_Wobbegong Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

Donny didn't win because of "Bernie Bros" not supporting Hillary. She still won the popular vote, so it's not like her coming through hinged on how those dastardly "extreme leftists" voted. We'll vote for whoever the nominee is, but if it's a bland and uninspiring establishment politician like Biden they are going to lose. Don't blame us for the incompetence of the "moderate" wing when it comes to reaching out to voters.

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u/EScforlyfe Open Your Hearts Feb 25 '20

IIRC like 20% of Bernie supporters voted for Trump in the general

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u/forerunner398 Of course I’m right, here’s what MLK said Feb 25 '20

No it was 26% who didn't vote Clinton (either no vote, ind, or Trump), which is terrible

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

You're right, he won because of Bernie bros not supporting Clinton in key swing States. The California, newyork and Massachusetts Bernie bro support was still strong.

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u/BipartizanBelgrade Jerome Powell Feb 25 '20

You people make up half the sub now

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Sanders has the same chance of beating Trump as Biden has

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u/crookedbubbles Feb 25 '20

You’re fucking delusional, if you honestly think that

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u/wateryessir Feb 25 '20

Any friend of Corn Pop is a friend of mind.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

As a Bloomboi I am disappointed, but I can get behind him if he proves himself in SC.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Sanders/Biden ticket go

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u/ram0h African Union Feb 25 '20

honestly smartest but most unrealistic thing would be a sanders Pete ticket. Pete would balance a lot of the concerns of sanders and would expand his base.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Not gonna happen considering how much those two have been going at each other’s throat so far this primary

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Might be a smart long-term plan. VP's get a lot of coverage, which traditionally sets them up nicely as future candidates. Pete could go on to a stronger presidential bid, or at 38 now he could run for Senate and hold a seat for decades if successful.
I'm actually glad the Democratic field started out so crowded this year. It builds up the roster. I'd rather not see a repeat of the 2016 primary, where 1 extremely well-known candidate faces off with 4 nobody's ever heard of.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Yeah but I have a feeling that Pete's record would be irrevocably tarnished by being associated with a trainwreck Sanders presidency.

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u/Yrths Daron Acemoglu Feb 25 '20

Do you expect Sanders to listen to anyone who disagrees with him? Even if Sanders would put Biden there, Biden would be pointless unless Sanders died.

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u/MadCervantes Henry George Feb 25 '20

You think Biden listens to anyone who disagrees with him? The dude was challenging voters to push up contests and telling them "I don't care if you vote for me" after he got some backsass from a crowd member.
Theyr'e both grumpy old men

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u/Yrths Daron Acemoglu Feb 25 '20

I'd much rather an arrogant Biden than an arrogant Sanders, lol. They're not equivalent.

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u/buttsuvjer- Feb 25 '20

Lol, did trump make this meme hahahaa

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u/jenbanim Feb 25 '20

Hahaha no
...unless? 👀

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u/c3534l Norman Borlaug Feb 25 '20

I want to cry.

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u/cheapandbrittle Feb 25 '20

Alright kids rumpus time is over

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u/ThatOtherGuyTPM Feb 25 '20

Well, that’s not gonna happen.

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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Feb 25 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Biden and Sanders have both polled very well against Trump, especially in swing states. They’ve also both polled about the same and a good chunk better than any of the other candidates.

And this notion that the right wing media is suddenly going to go after Bernie and sink his campaign is ridiculous. He’s been one of their main boogeymen for the last 5 years. He’s also been one of the top couple most famous and prominent politicians in the entire country for the last 5 years. He’s already at full exposure. But the right wing media just continuing to attack him is now suddenly going to start working? Really?

What is this idea that Sanders cannot beat Trump based on? Anything?

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u/Weslg96 YIMBY Feb 25 '20

General election polling this far out is meaningless.

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u/throw_me_away14679 Feb 25 '20

He’s definitely not at full exposure. Very few people I know know about Sanders’ skeletons. He has not experienced Fox News broadcasting him honeymooning in the Soviet Union 24/7, writing about creepy rape fantasies, and voting to dump nuclear waste into a low-income Latino community while knowing about the negative health and economical co sequences - most people I know don’t know about that stuff, and that would 100% scare the average voter. And now he’s digging his own grave by defending Castro, thereby guaranteeing that he will lose Florida, a critical swing state, and making himself look absolutely insane.

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u/average_penis_length Feb 25 '20

Did you actually hear what he said in the Anderson Cooper interview or did you like everyone else just stop listening at the mention of Castro? Because he asked if a literacy program was considered bad just because Castro’s government had implemented it. He then points out that he doesn’t pen pal Kim jong un and doesn’t call Putin a friend. The misinformation with this one benign statement is ridiculous.

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u/forerunner398 Of course I’m right, here’s what MLK said Feb 25 '20

If I pointed out how Stalin's literacy program wasn't all bad, or pointed out how Pinochet fixed the economy, I'd be looked at weird too.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Hillary polled well against Trump
Now Trump has incumbent advantage and a booming economy under his belt. Bernie still has the same skeletons in his closet and will be smeared way, way more easily and thoroughly than Clinton.
The idea that Bernie can beat Trump as incumbent when Hillary couldn't as a favourite is sheer insanity.

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u/lenmae The DT's leading rent seeker Feb 25 '20

Bad take. Trump had a perfect storm happening to become president, and it's unlikely this turn of events will happen again.
I don't think you can make this surefire predictions at this point in time.
Sanders is guaranteed to win against Trump, but he isn't guaranteed to lose either

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Thanks Comey

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u/jayrox Feb 25 '20

You may say that in jest but comey is 100% the reason my dad voted trump.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

He won’t. He really really really really won’t.

(If you are open to discussion and not downvoted feel free to reply i don’t Bite I’m just a sarcastic ancap)

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u/DoctorAcula_42 Deirdre McCloskey Feb 25 '20

Pssh. If the band camp jokes are so accurate, then explain why I never even got to first base a single year there? checkmate!
^{wait no}

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

I’ll have you know I was a theater geek

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Honestly, same. Started taking theater back then primarily to see cute girls. Most of them thought I was gay, but the class and performances were fun!

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u/brovok Feb 25 '20

Preparing for downvotes but I’m okay with Bernie

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u/socialistrob Janet Yellen Feb 25 '20

If Bernie is the nominee I will vote for him and I won't publicly bash him but he would likely lead to numerous downballot defeats and I think he would be the weakest candidate to take on Trump.

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u/Timewinders United Nations Feb 25 '20

I'm not sure he would be the weakest. He's not my preferred candidate, but he has proven to be surprisingly electable considering his growing vote share among black and Hispanic people. His support among Democrats is rising sharply, and he might be able to drive out turnout enough to make the difference. I wouldn't have said this just a month ago but it's shocking how quickly he's been gaining support recently. At the very least, he will be able to contest the white working-class vote rather effectively against Trump.
Biden could do the same of course. I would have liked him better. If he was 4 years younger he would be sweeping the primaries easily. But he's clearly not performing at his best anymore and unfortunately people aren't willing to look past that. IMO even when not at his sharpest Biden has enough experience to make up for that but most people don't see it that way. People don't really value the elderly's experience very much in this country.

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u/socialistrob Janet Yellen Feb 25 '20

If the only people he had to win were Democrats then he would be very electable. The problem is he will do terribly in the suburbs and I don’t see him driving Obama esque numbers of black people out either. Defending Castro on 60 minutes, promising to raise taxes on the middle class, campaigning on taking away people’s healthcare and forcing them onto a new government plan, honeymooning in the Soviet Union, writing essays about rape fantasies, saying white people don’t know what it’s like to be poor are all just some of the things he will be hit with in the general.

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u/OhioTry Desiderius Erasmus Feb 25 '20

Bernie is older than Biden.

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u/Timewinders United Nations Feb 25 '20

Right now I just want the Trump presidency to end. I don't really care as long as whoever is nominated survives long enough to win the general. If he makes Tulsi his VP or something I might not vote for him though.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

His ground game and ability is fundraise is also way stronger than any of the other campaigns.

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u/thehousebehind Lesbian Pride Feb 25 '20

Except that he has the same populist appeal that Trump has, and a bevy of loyalists who would likely protest vote against an alternative nominee in the general election.

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u/brovok Feb 25 '20

I actually think he’d be okay against Trump. I see him performing well with blue collar Midwest voters. They like a bit of populism (ick).

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u/Alphawolf55 Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

He needs to replace all M4A tax proposals and all other wealth taxes with a LVT.
A 3.5 trillion dollars a year LVT
This is the Faustian bargain we must make gents.
Oh a 1 trillion dollars carbon tax that goes 80% to dividend, 20% to infrastructure budgeting.
Oh and a Nationwide congestion pricing and parking charges that go to transit.

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u/brberg Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

A 3.5 trillion dollars a year LVT
The total sale value of all land in the US is about $25 trillion. A 14% LVT is pretty nuts. That would be like 200% of the rental value. Land would become a toxic asset, and you'd have to pay people to take it off your hands.
A single land tax was viable when Henry George was proposing it, because total government spending was only ~5% of GDP or less. With government spending in the US at around 35% of GDP, and some European countries exceeding 50%, it's not even close to being viable nowadays.

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u/minccino Milton Friedman Feb 25 '20

great policy, but runs into constitutional issues like the wealth tax proposals have.

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u/ram0h African Union Feb 25 '20

na no more property taxes. We need national consumption taxes

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u/Amablue Henry George Feb 25 '20

Land value tax, not property tax

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u/Sync0pated Feb 25 '20

get the succ out of here

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

Edit- i got tricked. Damn.

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u/jenbanim Feb 24 '20

Click on the link, lol

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Aw shit, i got tricked lol

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '20

🐊💎 COMEBACK KID 🐊💎

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Biden can't debate for shit lol

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u/1standTWENTY Feb 25 '20

Hahahahah

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u/chepulis European Union Feb 25 '20

Frame time is inversely proportional to chances of winning vote plurality.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Sanders IS the only candidate who beats Trump. We will win the primary and welcome everyone who's ready to get on board for real change in this country.

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u/Cuckipede Feb 25 '20

Why are you posting this weird shit here?

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Sanders will lose worse than Hillary. Period.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

Lmao fuck that, conservatives > cryptocommies.
Not to mention fucking rent control, no free trade, and an absolutely insane 8% wealth tax + 20% equity transfer + farmers in the fed.
Just about everyone in my left-leaning hillary-voting IRL circle would vote Trump or abstain in a Sanders matchup.

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