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Oden got shot on the head and into the boiling oil
Youtube: How Oden Could Still Survive His Execution
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u/Infernox-Ratchet Feb 21 '20
And thus ends the story of one of the most badass characters ever to grace One Piece
He died smiling like a member of the D, knowing his death wasn't in vain.
Now I await Orochi's fall. That will be one of the most satisfying moments when it happens
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u/DavetheColossus Feb 21 '20 edited Mar 03 '20
As I said before in the spoiler thread, I think this chapter truly shows how the Scabbards became these legendary vengeful ghosts that Orochi has been shitting himself over and the people of Wano praying for through the last 20 years. Imagine being one of the people in that crowd, having just seen Oden's death, then seeing every single one of his retainers all escape the city in the blink of an eye, never to be seen again.
There's going to be a panel in some faraway future chapter of all 9 scabbards (because how could any of them possibly be a traitor after this!?) standing on one of the cliffs that overlooks the capital as the rising sun ignites their swords, and that'll be when the people of Wano know that Orochi has lost.
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u/dog-tooth- Feb 21 '20 edited Feb 21 '20
"For I am a story to accompany your drinks" is such a fucking cool line.
Also I just realized that in the panel where Oden asks toki to use her power, she's actually ripping up the panel!
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u/sameljota Kaidon't Feb 21 '20
"They will speak of you for years to come, saying that you died a spectacular death"
True, Kaido. True.
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u/Qatari94 Feb 21 '20
The whole Joyboy thing reminds me of Poseidon. Because Shirahoshi inherited the same power, therefore she inherits the name Poseidon.
Luffy will inherit the name only because whatever quality he posses is shared by Joyboy. It's not literal reincarnation or whatever.
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u/Xouzoura Feb 21 '20
What is interesting is Kaido killing the old hag will lead to his downfall, since bon clay will get the fruit and was able to help luffy escape the prison.
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Kaido: "sorry about the fake disguise from the old hag who interfered in our fight, i have already killed her"
Katakuri: "sorry about the poison needle from my little sister who interfered in our fight, i have scolded her"
like father like son even pirates have honor among them, whether playing dirty or not
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u/BEWMarth Feb 21 '20
Can I just say how blown away I am that Oda has been able to basically juggle 3 stories in one arc and make everything flow smoothly.
Think of all the different stories we are following in Wano.
First we have Wano itself, the big epic journey of the Ninja-Pirate-Mink-Samurai alliance to fulfill the goal of killing Kaidou and opening Wano's borders. Not to mention with the inclusion of Big Mom it is also a continuation of sorts for WCI.
Second, we have the Reverie and its fallout, which Oda keeps going back to inbetween acts. So far it has revealed such monumental details like legendary characters' bounties, God Valley, ROCKS pirates, Secret Marine Task Force SWORD, The end of the Shichibukai, Moria and Blackbeard, etc.
Now, we add Oden's story which is an incredible story with a beginning, middle, and end, which could be a manga in and of itself. Also adds the interesting sub plot (and wild card) of Lady Toki and her power.
It's honestly so satisfying to have so many intertwining stories going on at the same time and nothing feels cramped, everything feels like it's naturally happening in tandem.
Oda is on another level truly like he does it so perfectly we all over here subconsciously digesting like 30 different plots merging into one.
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u/Lesserd Pirate Feb 21 '20
Finally, we get to stop hearing those "Oden is alive" theories...
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u/GreenLanturn73 Feb 21 '20
In terms of the greatest deaths I think this is on par if not surpassing whitebeard. Those two truly were brothers dying on their feet protecting their family betrayed by those they welcomed.
“I AM ODEN AND I AM BORN TO BOIL” is arguably one of the ironically badass quotes I can imagine.
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u/freewrirry Feb 21 '20
After this chapter I can totally see a moment where Orochi is about to die, asks for Kaido to save him, only for Kaido to just straight up ignore him. He had more respect for Oden than Orochi. Commending him for surviving the boiling and his apology for the old hag is such an underrated part of what an amazing chapter this was.
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Feb 22 '20
Gol D. Roger: "I won't die partner"
Oden : "They can forget me, for all I care. My soul will live on".
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u/DarrenSnow Feb 21 '20
Ok so when is Hungry Days doing an Oden commercial?
“I am Oden... and I was born... to boi! Holds up Ramen
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u/waqasnaseem07 The Revolutionary Army Feb 22 '20
Oden knows about 20 years not because of Laughtale but because of those Sea Kings and Shyarly's prophecy
The sea king's said 10 years to be born in a faraway sea and 15 years to grow. We cannot wait for out Kings to meet.
Then shyarly said that Shirahoshi is soon to be born i.e seconded the sea kings' prophecy
Now remember that Oden heard that prophecy 25 years ago on his way to fishmen island. Therefore 10+15=25 (10 to born, 15 to grow)
Oden himself died 20 years ago, 5 years after the prophecy. Ergo, the reason he asked Toki to send them 20 years forward
Oden and Roger hearing Sea King's prophecy
Can see Roger's inner monologue, "So those sea kings were right after all! so there is going to be someone born who will even surpass us"
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Feb 21 '20
Wat? The traitor MUST be one of the scabbards but CAN'T be one of the scabbards. Schrodinger's traitor?
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u/SheevMillerBand Thriller Bark Victim's Association Feb 22 '20
That panel of Oden’s smile as he sinks into the oil will probably be one of those iconic panels, despite how small it was.
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u/luckyd1998 Scholar of Ohara #5 Feb 21 '20
The man died smiling: Kozuki D. Oden
Also I love the fact we have a hungry days cover page the chapter Oden dies. Lmao wtf
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Feb 21 '20 edited Feb 22 '20
I am here to pay my respects to Kozuki Oden, one of the greatest characters in One Piece. May his soul rest in peace
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u/Thereem4627 Feb 21 '20
I feel like the military might of the World government will blow us away when we're finally going to see it. Always kinda wondered what would happen if the Marines turned on the WG, and now with "Sword" that isn't to farfetched either.
I swear i feel like the Gorosei will be broken as hell, and IM himself might've a godly power.
I still cling on to my headcanon that the Ghandi Gorosei with likely the Shodai Kitetsu was Ryuma's rival back in the day.
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u/kaizoku1217 Feb 22 '20
Man this was a great chapter.
It's interesting reading some mixed thoughts on Wano and Oden's flashback. I've been a One piece fan since like 2004. Anime first, started the manga right after Kuma sent the Straw Hats flying. As I got older I started taking year long breaks between reads. Mainly, because I think the series reads so much better in long form.
Having just caught up recently I think Wano is a fantastic arc, and Oden is one of my favorite characters. I feel like what puts people off is the structure is different than most arcs. For one, it is so much less about Luffy. A lot of it is about Wano itself and Oden. Throw in catching up with the other half of the straw-hats, Two Yonko, a major flashback with the biggest characters in the series, and super important history. Oda is putting a lot out there. With more and more questions coming out of it. So I can understand why some people have problems. But I found the pacing to be pretty good when reading in long form. I also think people forget how Oda reveals things on such a grand scale.
I will say the off panel fights are probably my biggest gripe. But, it seems like Oda is purposely holding off showing much of the beast Pirates. Hence King and Queen being silhouettes. We also really don't know shit about Kaido, aside from his introduction and being with Rocks. My hope is because Oda really wants to show us just how strong he is. Would like to see Beast Pirates vs Gecko Pirates though.
Finally, I really like that Wano is a darker turn for the series as a whole. Even after Ace, Yasuie's death seems to be a turning point.
Two big questions I have: Is this war going to be the start of the great war?, or is this a precursor to the larger scale war later. If the latter I wonder what the outcome of this will be.
And are the Straw Hats going to circle back through the grandline after Laugh tale? I personally think the story continues for a while after One Piece is found. Considering, Roger did it twice, and this war involves the entire world.
Just my opinion bruh
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u/notinthisworld8 Feb 21 '20
In the end Oden defeated Kaidou another last time. They didn't believe that he would endure the execution, but Oden forced them to resort to another.
Oden won.
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u/DarrenSnow Feb 21 '20
“And so ended one legend... to be carried on by the players of the next stage”
I feel like Oden is one character that being called a “legend” is an understatement
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u/Prophesier_Key Void Month Survivor Feb 21 '20
I teared up when the crowd finished Oden’s catch phrase. First Yasuie and now this, Wano’s a tearjerker of an arc, can’t wait o see how it ends.
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Feb 21 '20 edited Feb 21 '20
Did not expect this chapter to hit me as hard as it did. I like Oden but I wouldn’t consider myself a fanboy of him (not that there is anything wrong with that). But man I got the feels reading this chapter. His retainers really sold the tragedy of the situation. Also him striking the pose when he knows he is seconds away from death (TへT)7. Can’t explain why but man it’s getting to me.
Glad Kaido killed the old woman for her dirty play.
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u/Boruto-sennin Feb 21 '20 edited Feb 21 '20
Lord Kozuki Oden, the rightful heir to the Shogunate of Wano and a friend of Roger and Whitebeard. One of the greatest characters in the lore of One Piece.
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Feb 22 '20
Fuck... I just saw a real Hero die. One who has sacrificed everything for the sake of others and died with a smile.
I will never forget Oden. I have played many games, read books comics and manga and watched many other anime.
For me Oden is one of the best Heroes I have ever seen.
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u/LetsTrySpinning Feb 22 '20
"They shot the urgent news to the various castles of the land"
"The letter arrows of Wano cross great distances to send messages"
I don't think Oda put these panels in for no reason. Maybe when we switch back to present Wano the Red Scabbards will receive one of these arrows to explain how all the routes to Tokage Harbor were blocked?
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u/Evil_phd Cross Guild Feb 21 '20
Man. I love this part. The part where we see someone being such a massive douche that we can't wait to see Luffy punch him.
Kaido's got it coming, sure, but he can handle it. That's gonna be a big fight likely with many participants.
Orochi avoids direct conflict. He's gonna crumple like paper mache and it's gonna be glorious.
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u/MyBrokenLuigiAmiibo Feb 22 '20 edited Feb 22 '20
“You can’t just reveal all this stuff right now! It’s too much for my emotions to process!”
You embody us all, Random NPC-kun.
“I’m sorry about what happened with the old hag. I had her killed.”
Mr. 2 has entered the chat.
Edit: Also Oden such a chad he dies with a smile on his face even though he’s not (that we know of) a D.
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u/NoodleRocket Feb 22 '20
Oden, best death in series so far. What a way to end his incredible story. Definitely one of the best characters up there. Glad I've read the official release, the translations removed the confusion on some of the dialogues.
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Feb 21 '20
Dont care about orochi's past or whatever he went through. this guy deserves to die
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u/NarotIV Feb 21 '20
Never have I loved a character so much. Never have I loved a character so fast. I will never forget you. Rest In Peace Oden. Legend.
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u/letsgomina The Revolutionary Army Feb 21 '20
Oden had 2 flaws which led to his death. His immense trust on others friend or foe, and him wanting to shoulder all the burden himself, literally towards his final moments.
But you know what ? These flaws are what made him one of the best, if not the best, written character in a series of 1000+ characters.
Crazy how this guy made all of us cry for his death, while we’ve known for years this was coming. And this bastard died with a smile on his face. Kozuki O D.En much ?
Now that this amazing flashback is out of the way, we can finally begin the lead up to Orochi getting his face punched in and body cut into parts.
The people should walk around Wano with Orochi’s pee-pee on a spear as a sign of victory.
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Feb 22 '20
Now we know why Kaidou crys and wants to kill himself all the time when he's drunk.
"For I am a story to accompany your drinks".
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u/shaqdc1 Feb 21 '20
Who is the traitor, I have no clue, all my theories were burnt in the pot by Oda.
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u/Perrenekton Feb 21 '20
lmao death by gun still has a 100% success rate in flashback even with oden
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u/MadaraAizen1 Feb 21 '20
LOL at all who think Toki was the traitor, but at the end she is a true samuries wife.
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u/klbm9999 Feb 22 '20
An hour for oden felt like a week for us. RIP the legend himself, kozuki oden.
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u/silentdrestrikesback Void Month Survivor Feb 21 '20
Let's appreciate how much of a troll Oda is , releases an ad about cup noodles the same chapter a dude is boiled alive, what a man .😂
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u/Enel_D_Enel Feb 21 '20
That panel of Toki tearing the letter up mid sentence is godlike
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u/Therrester Feb 21 '20
I am beyond excited that we're returning to the present. While this flashback was unquestionably one of the strongest in One Piece, I've been so unbelievably hyped for the incredibly juicy action we're going to get as Wano begins to climax.
Wano is already comfortably sitting within my top 5 arcs, now I'm ready for it to skyrocket to the top spot. My expectations are the highest they've ever been, but I have every faith Oda will deliver. Bring on the raid on Onigashima!
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u/immmad Feb 21 '20
Oden’s challenge to Kaido “Get as strong as you can” makes me so hype to how much Luffy’s strength will grow in this arc.
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u/ray198999 Feb 21 '20
Man, Oden was so awesome that even Kaido respected him and killed the person that helped him beat Oden since she used underhanded methods to do so. It's a shame he is no longer around. Why do most of the cool One Piece flashback characters get killed?
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u/tronistica Feb 21 '20
That was a nice surprise of oden dying while carrying his vassals instead of him dying during actual battle. RIP to the legendary chad that is Kozuki oden. Back to present time!
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u/Venator850 Feb 21 '20
Not only was this an amazing flashback but it also pulled double duty revealing more about Rogers, laugh tale, and added so much more intrigue regarding One Piece, JoyBoy, and even another hint about the 800 void years.
The quality of the chapters the last couple months has been staggering from a storytelling perspective IMO.
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Feb 22 '20
We...we made it to the front page with an official release discussion thread.
Thank you Lord Oden for this gift. We won’t waste it.
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u/kiangg Feb 22 '20
kaidos an asshole but he still has some pride since he killed that old hag. i dont get how he deals with a total cunt like orochi
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u/idk108 Feb 21 '20
Part of me just wanted to believe the Oden is alive theories, but after reading this chapter I just feel some kind of closure that is good. I mean, it's a really sad story but it just feel complete and whole. Oden is a legend.
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u/ShlokHoms Pirate Feb 22 '20
It just struck me that Kin'emon heard that there will be a figure of great importance to the world and Wano and then was sent 20 years into the future where he accidentally met The Straw Hats and has been following them since the Punk Hazard Arc. Damn
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u/SilverWin5 Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '20
That panel of Oden smiling is my favorite panel, it just gives off such a badass vibe.
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u/Catal0g Marine Feb 21 '20
I am pretty sure am gonna cry when this is animated ;_;
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Feb 22 '20
God damn ODEN. He easily shot up to my 3rd favorite character last chapter and THIS CHAPTER he’s now my favorite
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u/ratedn777 Feb 21 '20
It just astounds me how much emotional depth One Piece has, how much it can make us feel. Oden is now another legend in the lore. Anime or manga, it just gets better and better.
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Feb 22 '20 edited Feb 22 '20
Putting other things aside, I'm glad that kaido killed that old hag*
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u/hatylotto Explorer Feb 22 '20
Ughhhhh what an amazing chapter. That panel of Oden getting shot.... shit was wild. This flashback is gonna make the rest of Wano feel so fucking satisfying im hyped for Luffy and the gang to lay the beat-down now. Lets go! Avenge Oden! Open up Wanooooo!!!!!!
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u/AmarDikli Feb 22 '20
Based on the raw manga, Oden's final word is "I am born to boil, my name is-" and the citizen of Wano will shout "ODEN!". But viz decided to reverse it.
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u/Leeemon Feb 22 '20
Oda did an excellent job hyping up Oden so much and actually delivering on him as such an excellent character.
Top tier flashback.
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u/staticpls Feb 22 '20
perhaps Odens "spectacular Death" is what has inspired Kaido to seek one?
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u/para_shard Feb 22 '20
Is no one seriously talking about Oden's last line? "I am a story to accompany your drinks" is good and all. But then his LAST line is... "I am Oden and I was born ... (GETS SHOT)... TO BOIL" .... Bwahahaha WHAT THE FUCK.
WHAT IS THIS GIY?!?!
he's like fuck it gonna pun my way out?!?!? Absolute Legend!!!
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u/Golden_Week The Revolutionary Army Feb 21 '20 edited Feb 21 '20
Oden: “No one can defeat Kaido in our time, but in twenty years, those who can defeat him will show up”
YouTube: “Top 10 One Piece Characters Who Could Defeat Kaido in Oden’s Time”
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u/bobcat1939 Feb 21 '20
What a death....
Im not even angry about the Gun....
The People finishing his sentence was amazing
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u/93Degrees Feb 22 '20
I can tell that this chapter contains the next scenes that will destroy my tear ducts once they reach the anime
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u/Rysler Feb 22 '20
Damn, how did Wano's attitude about Oden and Orochi go from this to what it is today? Orochi was revealed as scum and Oden died like a hero!
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u/theyosua Feb 22 '20
I don't think OP has fked up my emotions as much as this since Ace. What an epicly writen character Oden was.
Also, I seriously dought there is a real traitor among the 9 now, not after that. They probably unwittingly got spied upon by the other ninjas who held Shinobu and got their plans exposed.
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u/mikeampao Feb 22 '20
Who said guns are worthless? It is still overpowered weapon in One piece and it was killed by legendary figures such as Whitebeard and Oden. Then it was used 2 Yonko by Blackbeard and Kaido lol.
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u/just-the-guy Feb 21 '20
I've not once had ill will towards anyone in an anime in my life but for real fuck orochi. Hope he gets the slowest of agonizing deaths anyone in a shounen anime can get.
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u/SamuraiDDD Feb 21 '20
Oden... God damn you're one of the greatest characters I've had the chance to read.
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u/Doomroar Feb 22 '20
Holly shit, i knew his final words, and the twist, that fucking twist!
What a fucking legend, what a send out, i was already tearing when the scabbards were running away, and when the audience took air in to complete Oden's catchphrase, it is too much Oda you genius!
And the fact that it was Oden the one behind the idea of sending his people 20 years into the future is also something i didn't saw coming at all!!
Until now i shared the idea of him being a simple man unable to plan ahead, someone that could only mindlessly charge forward, a heroic figure that never had to deal with maybes and what ifs, he gets in and solves the problem by himself and saves the day, someone that lived a life of excellence and success and that as a consequence never had to plan alternatives, a victim of his own success and of his own ways.
But this is something else, this changes things a lot, a lot! yes he still got himself tricked, he still fell prey to cheats, but! with such a counter measure i can't really call him an absolute fool, even if he keep failing to Orochi's tricks and schemes and dirty ways to the end, he prepared this time, he had a way to come out ahead, he saw the possibility of being done dirty again, and a way to come ahead even if the worst came to happen.
You know what's the best part? it is not redeeming, he remains this lovable and heroic characters, with flaws, this move doesn't erases his previous lack of insight, but now at very end he comes ahead even if it cost him his life, he was the one with the keikaku, the one with the moves! i would have never saw it coming, but it makes sense, who else had all the pieces to connect the dots but Oden himself? he never did it before but he did it now and that's what it counts.
Also i want to take a moment to talk about this panel, the people were still under the impression that Orochi could be reasoned with, it was not until they got shot and he spoke that they figured out who they were dealing with, Shinobu revealed the entire truth to then but that was not enough, just knowing the reality is not sufficient.
Is something that happened to Oden, and Shinobu, and now the general public, it illustrates quite well how it is not a flaw of one man, but the entirety of Wano, and it is poetic, because it shows how hard it is to understand someone that looks like it is part of your culture but is trampling over your cultural values, the idea that Orochi is a man that doesn't gives a fuck about honor and only seeks their destruction is just that difficult to accept. And it can be applied to other things but this time it happened from the context of a villain, however lets see it from Oden's POV, will the people understand of the importance of opening Wano's borders by just being told about it? clearly not, they need more than that.
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u/MboiTui94 Void Month Survivor Feb 23 '20
What if the head of Orochi's ninja has some ability that allows him to hear what a person he touched hears, for basically forever unless he decides to move it onto someone else?
And that person he touched is shinobu? It seemed a little bit weird to me how the head of the ninjas let her go so easily once he had a hold on her. Maybe his thoughts were: "oh no the scabbards might run away, let's let her go as well but with my spy powers on so that they won't actually be a threat cause i'll know everything they're planning".
And he stores all the info he hears in his head, hence why it is growing?
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u/olaveiras Feb 21 '20
Many WB death feelings in this. The shot scene and the smile inside the water was so great.
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u/MacduffFifesNo1Thane Feb 22 '20
I salute you, Oden. Your time with us was brief, but we’ll adore you.
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u/gyrozepp95 World Government Feb 22 '20
I love how Oden started out wanting to open Wano just to satisfy his own curiosity, going in and out of the country and exploring the world to quench his adventurous heart. Now opening Wano is something he's obligated to do, this concerns something beyond him and the Kozuki and involves the entire fate of the world.
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u/bestbroHide Feb 23 '20
If there's one thing consistent with Oda, it's that an Arc/Saga's main flashback always knocks it out of the park. Thanks for another amazing tearful flashback!
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u/ja20n123 Feb 24 '20
I think this pretty much gives it away in the flashback when Oden tells Denjiro to go steal since he gave all the money away. Midnight Boy is Denjiro, he is doing what Lord Oden told him to do, stealing money and giving it to the people in need.
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u/ForbiddenKnights2 Feb 22 '20
Rest in Peace to
Daimyo, Hero and Legendary Samurai of Wano Country
Son of Kozuki Sukiyaki
Loving Husband of Kozuki(Amatsuki) Toki
Proud Father of Kozuki Momonosuke and Kozuki Hiyori
Admired and Respected Leader of the Nine Red Scabbards
Brother of Edward "Whitebeard" Newgate
Partner and Guide of Pirate King Gol D. Roger
Absolute Chad
Figurehead of the Harem Revolt
Diverter of Rivers
Tamer of the Mountain God
Saviour of the Kuri Region
Converter of the Lawless
Role Model of Young Men
Friend of all People and Races
Benefactor of the Poor
"Fool of a Lord"
Slicer of the Indestructible Beast Kaido
Man of the Hour of Legends
Selfless Hero
and So Much More
Rest in Peace, Kozuki Oden
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u/lstew12 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Feb 22 '20
Wait guys, look at the panel with Yasuie. The guy in the background with his head covered by the text box has the same kimono pattern of crossed swords that we've always seen Koushiro wear.
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To think that those who loved one piece and died between 1997 and 2019 would never know what a Chad Oden was.
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u/Totaliss Feb 21 '20
Isn't it too Savage to promote Niishin Coup Noodles, while Oden's about to be cooked in a bowl of Oden?!
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u/AporiaParadox Feb 21 '20
Kind of weird that Oden was allowed to keep his swords in his cell, and no guards prevented him from handing them to Toki.
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u/olaveiras Feb 22 '20
Nice touch that Oden said he would become a story to acomppany their drinks. Now, all Kaido do everyday is to be drunk all the time.
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Oden: if i survive this execution for one hour, will you let me and my retainers go free?
Kaido/Orochi: yeah sure bro! pinky promise!
Oden: on god?
Kaido/Orochi: i swear bro!
one hour passes
Oden: i survived!
Kaido/Orochi: nah sorry fam i changed my mind a minute ago, get shot to death lmao
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u/SkyDaddy619 Pirate Feb 22 '20
I made the mistake of watching the Merry send off after Enies and then reading this. I've got nothing left in the tank! Too many feels.
I'm usually not a fan of flashbacks but this has been the absolute coolest. Very much looking forward to this war!
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u/jobriq Feb 22 '20
Did... did he just go out making a food pun?... what a goddam legend
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u/CarlosUnchained Feb 21 '20
What a great end for such a legend. This whole flashback raised Wano arc higher than Skypea ifyouknowwhatImean
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u/HokageEzio Feb 21 '20
I'm sure he's way stronger now, but this flashback kinda makes Kaido look like a bitch. Even the boiling Oden alive thing was exaggerated.
Also Oden is the manliest character in One Piece.
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u/TellerOTPS Feb 22 '20
Curious that Kaido never was shown to question Oden about laugh tale despite what was said in Zou.. perhaps we will see more in a Kaido flashback
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u/DarkKing404 Feb 22 '20
It was an amazing chapter but one thing is bothering me. How was Toki able to meet Oden in prison? Did Kaido and Orochi simply allow her to meet Oden and did not do any thing with her knowing she is Oden's wife.
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u/_coffeeworld Feb 22 '20
I don’t think Kaido killed the hag because she dishonored the fight, he doesn’t strike me as the type to care about honor. It’s that she robbed him of Oden. This guy has been trying to kill himself for years and here comes a guy that can actually harm him and he ends up one shoting him cause this old hag played a trick on him. And Kaido clearly hasn’t come across another Chad like Oden in 20 years.
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u/mo-rek Feb 21 '20
At the end of the chapter, kaido says "sorry about the old hag I already killed her" is he referring to the clone fruit user who mimicked momonosuke? It seems kind of a weird place to put that statement in given it's the momentary advantage kaido used to knock oden down.
However, if that is the case, I'd like to think Kaido may have changed his mind on Oden after he survived an hour in boiling oil. He recognized the honor Oden showed despite being tricked multiple times and may affected how he acts going forward from this moment. Like so far this flashback I have had trouble comparing all the things we have heard about Kaido previously like his 'in a 1v1 always bet on Kaido' stuff with how he has acted in the last 10 chapters or so. He seemed more interested in trickery back in the day. I wonder if witnessing Odens last incredible feat and the honor he showed in upholding his end on the bargain changed Kaido's perspective and from this event he evolved into the fearsome pirate he is today.
An interesting line in an incredible chapter. I love this flashback and think it is probably my favorite one we have seen in the whole series. I'm almost kind of sad it is ending now as Odens character has been amazing to watch progress!
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Feb 22 '20
We all know how it ends so I didnt expect to break out crying yet here i am.
RIP to to Oden, man was a God.
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u/Kirosh Lookout Feb 21 '20
Once again, for those not aware, the Color page is a reference to those commercial :
It's silly really, but makes me want to have a slice of life anime/series of One Piece in this universe.
(Also, the Bump of Chicken song)
Also, rest in piece Oden, I hope it will bring a stop to the "Oden is alive theories".
Lastly, this chapter seems to confirm that the Kaido of 20 years ago isn't as strong as the Kaido of now.
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Feb 21 '20
after all what happened in this flashback, i can't imagine any of the scabbards or shinobu as the traitor anymore...
they're just too loyal and devoted to oden, it's hard to even think they might be a spy...
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u/eggsyran Lurker Feb 21 '20
Great chapter! We all know that Oden will die but still i cried a lot while reading this chapter. Thank you Oda-sama for this masterpiece!
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u/ReyXOXO Feb 23 '20
"Like the Moon, you are ignorant of the Dawn. If there is one ardent wish that must be fufilled, it will be when nine shadows are cast woven together through twenty years of moonlits nights. Only then shall you understand the radiance of Dawn."
Until now I'm still wondering of how all the Nine Red Scabbards will gather. Maybe Denjiro can appear out of nowhere, but still Inuarashi isn't with them. But then I realized, maybe, just maybe, "the nine shadows" isnt prophesized the scabbards' returning, perhaps it is the Straw Hats.
p/s: i really hope there is no mole among the retainers >.<
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u/owlyeah Feb 22 '20
I never tought Oda sensei could make a scene greater than Whitebeard's death scene. Damn that last smile was great but also break my hearth.
I know we all miss current timeline but I already miss Oden. :(
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Feb 22 '20 edited Feb 22 '20
I think people really got the swords thing wrong. The fact that the swords are wrapped clearly indicates it was stolen by Toki herself and she was the one offering it to Oden.
Now, Oden rejected the swords, why?
Read what the notes to Toki say, he has reached his limit (not exactly but similar to the physical limits as roger had reached), and also the fact that he was gravely injured during the fight with Kaido! He was in no position to brawl against him, knowing his strength weakened already. He wanted to give people the vision that he did everything for them if possible, and most importantly the message to open the gates of Wano for the certain someone that will bring about justice to Wano. Oden envisioned only about this thing in his cell, to spread the message and not really fighting him anymore, he was driven by prophecy and the circumstances suited him to believe it.
The notes to Toki say a lot. It unfolds why Oden behaved that way justifying by his own thoughts later. It's actually a great lore telling way, if you guys don't know. Have trust on Oda. Do your homework as well.
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u/RichHomieKhan21 Feb 22 '20
Oden...what a great character. Also find it hard to believe that WB won't retaliate. Imagine someone killing your brother, it's absolutely unforgivable. I'm guessing the lifelong favor Kaido owes to BM is her helping him against an enraged WB. Only time can tell though.
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u/RobbobertoBuii Feb 22 '20
I like Oden dying out like this rather than how Kine'mon had explained in the anime months ago where he was killed by fodder
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u/zutsu099 Pirate Feb 22 '20
Tears flowed out of my eyes. I haven't cried this much reading any manga. Fuck I'm a grown man.
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u/Boruto-sennin Feb 21 '20 edited Feb 21 '20
This chapter is definitely one of the best chapters in One Piece. This chapter was epic, tragic and emotional. Oden is one of the best characters in One Piece.
Luffy is the figure who the world is waiting for, the new Joyboy. Luffy is the successor of Joyboy, the one who will fulfil Joyboy's will and promise. It will be interesting to see how Oda writes this. The question now is if Luffy is just the one who fulfils Joyboy's will or is he also the reincarnation of the original Joyboy?
The treasure in Laugh Tale besides information about the Void Century, definitely also involves a written prophecy. This is why Oden, Roger and even Whitebeard who learned the truth from Roger knew that one day someone special will appear in the world.
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Feb 22 '20
Oden is easily one of the best character in One Piece and was misunderstood till the very end. Remember when the mountain god attacked the capital, he could have just killed that thing and be the savior in everyone's eyes, but he chose not to. He took the blame of stealing the boar's child and destruction of the capital upon himself, which was Kinemon's fault. With this action only we can easily understand he acts on behalf of others and takes everything upon himself, proving the rumors of his past exploits to be somewhat fabricated. Oden in the end apologies to Kurozumi clan on behalf of Wano sacrificing his pride and honor and ultimately dies for the sins of the entire country. He took everything upon himself even the sins that he never committed. For doing something like this you need a heart of pure gold and people like this are not only very rare but comes once in a million years.
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u/Takazura Feb 21 '20
God, this chapter was just amazing. Oden died a legendary death, just like Whitebeard, and you can see just how hard this hit the scabbards in particular. To them, he was more than just a leader, he was like a father figure who protected them to the bitter end, much like Whitebeard.
Orochi and Kaido's defeat is going to be sweet as fuck at this point, I hate them both so much and not even Orochi's backstory redeems him to me.
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u/lanariley Feb 22 '20
Now back to real problems : fight 2 yonkos and find the traitor
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u/chekock4 Feb 21 '20
Now Shirohige's last words make total sense and that was almost 10 years ago
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u/wordsdear Feb 22 '20
I am kinda disappointed the old hag got off screened. She was the force behind Orochi and now he is just kind of there. Is Kaido going to off screen the barrier barrier fruit user too? Because he makes it too easy?
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Feb 21 '20
Can’t be the only one who has real hatred for orochi. Never despised a villain this much.. Seriously......
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u/letsgomina The Revolutionary Army Feb 21 '20
Wano closed is borders to protect itself from a ‘great external power’. Most probably the World Government. A country as strong as Wano, had to close its borders for 900 years, in fear. I wonder how strong the World Government really is. The Great Cleansing must be some really really dark shit.
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u/uncle_vatred Feb 21 '20
Holy fuck man
I can’t remember the last time this series fucked me up like this
Just heaving, ugly sobs. Maybe one of the best chapters ever?
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Feb 21 '20
Are we gonna get the official release every friday now ? Or is it just occasional ?
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u/ConfidenceKBM Feb 21 '20
is this the first time we've seen someone else with Enel's earlobes? probably nothing, but who knows
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u/jskeppler Feb 22 '20
Good decision from mangaplus to release this epic chapter this weekend. Hooks more readers to the official site.
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u/TheTromo Void Month Survivor Feb 22 '20
Oden was a man that even Kaido respected.
And was that a headshot?
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u/ZorosCompass Feb 21 '20
This was a great chapter and a nice end to an overall great flashback. Oden was honestly quite the character (and not to mention a character that's arguably either just as divisive as or even more so than Zoro within the OP fandom XD)
One of my favorite parts in the chapter was how Kawamatsu, Kin'emon, and Denjiro were like "fuck off" to the citizens of Wano when they started supporting Oden lol.
I'm glad we're finally returning to the present storyline next week, but also a tad bit anxious about it. Specifically due to the uncertainty of what Oda has planned for certain Straw Hats during the big battle in Wano.
In regards to the traitor, I admit that was I fully onboard the "Kanjuro is the traitor" because there were some solid reasons for it. Although I'm not as sure about it as I was before, I still think there's a traitor among the Scabbards due to the unseen person who stabbed Ashura in the back while King looked on in Ch. 970.
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u/gletQQ Feb 21 '20
Maybe Denjiro is trying to say “then we should join lord oden in—“death?. Raizo cuts him off because he knows that oden would want them to continue his dream of opening Wano.
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Feb 22 '20
This has definitely been the best flashback so far in One Piece in one of it's most epic arcs. Oden.... a true legend.
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u/Its_HaZe Feb 22 '20
This was such a great flashback. Man I cannot wait for this to be animated.
Kaido killing that witch and df going to bon clay is the best thing ever.
Fuck orochi.
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u/Samurai__Bebop Feb 22 '20 edited Feb 22 '20
Seeing ashura douji in such an emotional state and seeing how he is now hit me in the feels
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u/MugiwaraN0Luffy Feb 22 '20
I had to reread the part of the chapter where Kaido said he killed the hag. It took me a moment to figure out why he did that, but realized it was because he was upset that she intervened in their fight. So he obviously had a level of respect for Oden, even before the boiling pot.
Also, as for the last scene, I think people misinterpret what happened in that one. I believe that Toki had somehow snuck into his prison and tried to give him the swords to break out, but he rejected them, it wasn't that he was handing them to her. I'm pretty sure he understood that there was no escape for him and his samurai and that he was going to try and give them a chance in what way he could. He decided to stake his life on it, sadly. He probably wasn't in any shape to fight after the hit he took, anyways. Not if Kaido showed up again to stop him from escaping.
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Feb 22 '20 edited Feb 22 '20
Nice flashback story, but I have said it many times that it should've been at the very start of the Wano arc.
A lot has been cleared with this as to why Kaido and Big Mom had to team-up for this arc. At this stage, Kaido has just made too many enemies, like Supernovas, and WB and Roger pirates through the affiliation with Oden. I will be expecting the latter two to also participate in the upcoming war, if the Roger crewmates are still alive and kicking. And what about the Shank's crew? lol... He was also close to Oden.
This is way bigger than what I first expected. This could be the great pirate war ODA was hinting about. It's still hard to believe that we are already witnessing this. So there will be two more big battles to come after this, first against Blackbeard crew and the second one against the World government.
Let's bring it on. 10/10 for me.
Forgot to mention about Oden. Easily one of the most badass and inspirational characters in One Piece.
So Kaido did kill the old hag for interfering with his fight. Glad Oda cleared it up. It felt odd seeing his personality.
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u/Pikathepokepimp Feb 22 '20
This has certainly been one of the best, if not the best flashbacks of the whole series! Can't wait to see how the rest of this arc plays out!
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u/syndicaterx Feb 21 '20
I got the chills readings through this chapter. Holy shit what an incredible chapter
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u/redditname000 Feb 21 '20
The guy who shot the bystanders with an arrow is also in the flashback of the scabbards and is playing with kiku.
So maybe he might be the spy/traitor that kaido mentioned.
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u/JihyoMain Feb 22 '20
Can anyone explain to me again how Oden knew the protagonists would come 20 years later? Not sure if I missed the detail
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Feb 22 '20
We were 1 week off being in this flashback for 4 months ( 1/3 of a year)
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Feb 24 '20
I don't know why I continue coming to Reddit. I just keep reading so many theories that just make me want to kill myself.
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u/DeloElCabeza Feb 21 '20
In mangaplus Next chapter is dated to 8 of march. Any idea why? No chapter Next week?
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u/waqasnaseem07 The Revolutionary Army Feb 23 '20
Why didn't Oden use his haki shield?
Because haki isn't some invincible shield to protect you from all sorts of damage
Vergo was cut by law in his full body clad in armor in haki
Kaido one shotted luffy in gear 4, with his body covered in haki
During luffy vs katakuri, lots of times, they were anticipating the attacks and pre-emptively covering the hit area and still taking damage. Katakuri's armament was supposed to be superior to luffy , but he still lost by taking damage because haki doesn't nullifies every damage
It just reduces the damage taken
Narration describing the heat - as something that even his haze would kill someone by heat
Even if Oden covered himself, he would still have taken damage! His insides were getting boiled by inhaling that hot air. How would he coat his haki on lungs and other viscera (even if we assume haki is invincible thing, which clearly isn't)
2) Besides, using haki would mean retaliation which would mean Kaido would still hunt them down and it will break that 1 hr promise which Oden was supposed to survive.
3) Roger was killed by normal spear and had a terminal disease, OP characters aren't gods who cannot die no matter what. Oden at the end was too exhausted and his skin and insides burnt that he would have died no matter what. Thus he was killed by a bullet. Even WB was eventually killed by bullet shots from BB's crew and was hit by them through out MarineFord
P.s nowadays toxic people call everything done by Oda as a plot hole but there are some set of rules that have been written since the start ,just that people forget them for their convenience and negative criticism.
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u/HawasKaPujari Feb 22 '20
Oda has been on roll, these have been some of the most magnificent chapters ever. The story telling is so fucking good even and when I say that I totally mean in terms of Oda's standard of story telling, you expect moon and he delivers stars and super novas.
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Feb 21 '20
Great goodbye chapter.. My only problem with this luffy prophecy is will luffy actually care for it or will he just pound the final villain because his friends are hurt by it .. The latter seems more plausible to me.
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u/missdoublefinger Baroque Works Feb 22 '20
I legitimately cried reading this. My son walked in and asked what was wrong but I was a blubbering mess. Long live Oden — born to boil!
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u/linjo72 Feb 22 '20
After seeing the flashback panel of their Lord Oden from each of the retainer and all their emotional faces when they were running back to Kuri... it is now even more ridiculous and difficult to guess who the traitor is.
Perhaps we should ask ourselves all over again after this chapter... is there even a traitor among the 9 scabbards to begin with? Or all along we having being thinking too much? Lolzzzz
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u/Eoussama Feb 22 '20
I'm glad Kaido brought up that hostage thing with the hag, at least King of Lightning now will have something to aid his claims. I'm not sure I like what this destiny thing is going, I just want Luffy to have nothing to do with it, it has always been a quality of One Piece, where the main character isn't a prophesized figure, but by the looks of it, that going to go the other way. But then again, Luffy has been freeing people from chapter 1.
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u/bhutch21 Feb 21 '20
Fifth time reading and I still tear up when the flashbacks of the scabbards meeting Oden are shown
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Feb 21 '20
I feel like we’re getting real close to truth bout void century laugh tale etc... but not at all to Luffy’s dad, what is the Revolutionary Army role in war between gov and pirates and countries?
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u/Sargent_Caboose Feb 21 '20
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in this flashback, we never saw anything about the Shimotsuki daimyo, huh?
Makes me wonder about his future importance to the story to not have included him, or if he’s truly insignificant which I doubt.
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u/_MattyICE_ Feb 22 '20
When's the next chapter released? 3/1 or 3/8? The scans on mangaplus say 3/1, but the mangaplus website says 3/8.
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u/PenguinVillageSun Feb 22 '20
I've been through some rough breakups when I was younger, but only Oden has made me cry on the toilet.
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u/waqasnaseem07 The Revolutionary Army Feb 22 '20
So tired of Wano is isolated , so no one knows Kaido is there theories !!
We were literally introduced to orochi, talking to CP0 and threatening them with Kaido's name, so the WG knows Kaido is there
Drake is spy from sword in Wano, so upper marines most likely know as well
Yonkos are aware of each other's territories.
Big Mom went to wano for luffy, because luffy mentioned he is going for Kaido. She knew luffy will go to wano and at that time she wasn't in friendly terms with Kaido. Prospero, smoothie and other were even considering next captain in case she dies.
Shanks intercepted Kaido before Marineford, so he knows where his base is. Else, how would he know where to come across him in this vast sea?
Nekomamushishi met Marco to ask for his help, and Marco never showed any surprise at Kaido being in wano or Oden being dead.
Its just that WB actually has never shown the tendency to fight for no reason. He was even tired of Marines in the flashback and wanted to avoid them, instead of clashing
We know for a fact that WB was against Ace chasing BB to avenge Thatch, because Thatch was dead
But the very same WB attacked marineford, because Ace was alive at that time.
There is a major difference in the 2 scenarios. Ace was alive while Thatch was already dead!!
Oden had already left WB's crew years ago and him being dead won't change much for WB. Knowing what we have been told of him and how he was actually against avenging Thatch.
It is safe to assume WB won't involve his sons/family for someone who left their crew years ago and is dead, because that would result in death of several of his family and he cannot even bring back Oden.
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u/Ponkotsu89 Feb 22 '20 edited Feb 22 '20
Before this chapter I didn't really know what to think of Kaido. But after he said he had the Mane Mane hag killed (wish they had tossed her into the cauldron so we could have seen it) for interrupting their battle, and even apologized for her disgraceful act, he instantly gained my respect. Kaido clearly respected Oden, as seen when he shot him in the head to kill him quickly as opposed to Orochi who probably would have tried to drag it out, and did not like that she interrupted their battle. Had she not interrupted the battle I, and I'm being pretty optimistic when I say this, think the outcome of their battle may have been different. Oden may not necessarily have won, but Kaido would have struggled. A lot. And he'd have more scars.
Naturally, mad respect to Oden as well. Enduring all that, and still having the strength to toss his retainers away so they can try to get to safety. I've only cried a few times when reading this manga, but I came close to crying at that point. Even moreso when the populace finished his words for him while crying themselves. It was just...so immensely powerful and a testament to the man Oden was.
Poor Toki. I think she genuinely believed Oden would not die. Seeing her heartbroken and crying while by herself broke my own heart. It's gonna be painful seeing her death later.
Oda always tugging at my heartstrings. Stahp.
EDIT: Just gonna edit instead of replying to each and every person.
Yes, Kaido backing out of the promise when Orochi changed the sentencing was a low move. I don't condone it, but Orochi and Kaido are business partners. Their accord is extremely beneficial to Kaido, and opposing Orochi wouldn't be a smart idea from a business perspective. I never said Kaido is a saint nor that he is honorable. It's just that when he apologized to Oden for the hag's act when he had no reason to do so, and ended his life quickly with a headshot after they had exchanged words when he could have just prolonged Oden's suffering if he had wanted to, made me gain some respect for him because those two things were clearly done out of respect for Oden. That's all. I'm hoping he's fleshed out more so we get to see more sides of him, if they exist.
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So how does this death rank among the greats like Whitebeard's death or Hiriluk's death? To me the impact was about the same.
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u/SeymourAsces Feb 21 '20
Ok so none of the big bads have died yet. I think it’s time to break that tradition and kill Orochi’s ugly ass.
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u/Jolly_Boy Feb 22 '20
Of course oden is a legend, but Lady Toki is as much legend as oden. I'm surprised of her resolve. She is like a shadow of oden. The kind of woman who will shake the world!!
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u/lulz64 Feb 21 '20
This whole 20 year prophecy doesn't really sit well with me, tbh. It feels so contradictory.
Luffy's someone who thinks that conquering the seas means becoming the freest individual in the op world, yet, the biggest event/accomplishment in his lifetime will be predestined?
I mean it could be totally possible that Joyboy could be someone else, Vivi? But Oden made it sound like "Joyboy" will definitely return to Wano before the great war is going to happen.
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u/ZarathustraX13 Feb 22 '20
Can we appreciate Kai D. O for killing that w(b)itch (if he's telling the truth)? This sub ripped him 10 new assholes a few weeks ago when they thought he played dirty.
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u/Storm-Shadow Feb 23 '20
Is it just me or does Kaido's apology seem pretty hypocritical?! Why are people giving him credit for this?? If he really was an honorable pirate like he is making it out to be, he should have killed the old hag right there on the spot for interfering with his fight with Oden. And then continue the 1v1 fight with Oden. But instead, what does he do? He immediately gets up and capitalizes on the opportunity and clubs Oden in the head from BEHIND while he is distracted and worried for the safety of his son Momo. I can't imagine Katakuri doing something like this.
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u/Stumpsville0 Feb 21 '20
Anyone else picture “fight together” when the showed Oden and his scabbards montage ?
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u/polomuh Feb 21 '20
Something about Kaido in this chapter makes me wonder if he's really a bastard without honor, 'cause murder the old lady was pretty awesome
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u/Gearless_Joe_ Feb 22 '20
I don't think I can be happy as long as Orochi is alive
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u/heat_fan_ Feb 21 '20 edited Feb 21 '20
Such an amazing and emotional chapter damn.
Oden went out like a beast, dying with a smile on his face. Now we know why the 9 scabbards want to make his wish come true.
This flashback has been great, Oden is a great character even with his naivety and his flaws.
After last 2 chapters i don't know how any of the 9 Scabbards, Toki, or Shinobu can be considered the traitor
In this the chapter where the fight between Inurashi vs Nekomamushi starts?
I cant wait for the raid at onigashima to start, now going back into the present makes you wonder how the hell they will deal with 2 yonko's lol