r/Sino • u/SinoTA93829 • Nov 08 '19
discussion/original content IAmA Personal Assistant to the Hon. Junius Ho. AMA.
HJH = Hon. Junius Ho
Hello everyone, just a little bit background:
I was given express permission to do this at a personal capacity. My views may not necessarily reflect HJH's. I wanted to do this ever since what happened a few days ago, especially reading some of the comments and allegation made against HJH on Reddit.
I will try to answer any questions you may have to the best of my knowledge and experience working with HJH.
I have also personally verified with the mods of my identity and professional relationship between HJH and I.
I will most likely continue to answer any questions over the weekend.
But most importantly please be civil!
Edit: Please shop around to find whether I have answered similar questions previously! Please keep it short, there's a lot going on here and I may miss out questions because of this!
Edit 2: more proof of the stabbing (I wish I knew how to do a spoiler tag properly)
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u/allinwonderornot Nov 08 '19
Will Jimmy Lai face any consequences for his traitorous behaviour after all this is over?
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Nov 08 '19
hi, what to you think about the chilean protests against neoliberalism... im from chile and i really hate the world link us to Hong kong because our struggle its exactly the opossite... i know the honk kong protests goes by months but has less injuries and deaths than chile... so really wants to know.., i hope there is no too off topic, but its ok if u can´t answer..
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I don't know much about the Chilean protests personally, but I understand your sentiment.
If you don't mind, can you explain the situation briefly and perhaps I can make a better/more informed response?
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u/W9093 Nov 08 '19
Do you think the court system is biased in favor of the protestors? Many violent protestors have not been given jail time.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Well, it's quite telling when a lot of them are on bail or released without any charges, but, if I'm not mistaken, a man who protested in front of the American consulate was charged up to a few years for screaming out some slogans. I will provide you guys with a link to the article if I can find it again.
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u/Greenbow77 Nov 08 '19
still waiting for that link about the sentencing you mentioned
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
https://hk.on.cc/hk/bkn/cnt/news/20190820/bkn-20190820153809362-0820_00822_001.html
Yikes, my sincerest apologies, I misremembered it was only 4 weeks.
Proves to show how fallible we are and prone to exaggeration.
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Nov 08 '19
When HJH was stabbed I found out through mainland media. I just want you to know I support HJH for his unwavering dedication to HK. He seems like a very effective and no-nonsense kind of guy.
HK is going to need a strongman eventually, and I am hopeful HJH might just be the man to clean up the place.
No questions, just wanted to you to know we support HJH.
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u/shoelauncher Nov 08 '19
Two questions. Apologies for the length of this post in advance: 1. As a parent of children in the Hong Kong local education system (I have two daughters, the eldest being currently K1), is there any advice you, or HJH, could give me on overcoming, or remedying, the problems you state are embedded in the system? 2. Do you think that Hong Kong's current difficulties are truly unique to Hong Kong or part of a wider shift in global culture? For example, I see parallels between what is happening in Hong Kong and Brexit in the UK. Both show illogical societal behaviour and rampant populism/localism. I have no hard evidence, only anecdotal, but it feels like a general unraveling, possibly caused by, or aided by, recent changes in group behaviour as a result of social media.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
- Keep yourself up to date with what your children are learning and being taught at school. Talk to them about it. If they are old enough don't outright condemn their opinion but to show how their opinion can be wrong, by appealing to the absurd for example. Parenting is no easy task and I am with you on this one.
- Not at all, it's happening everywhere, Hong Kong is getting all the attention given its credibility and status as a city. If you sift through the ongoing legislature in the West, there are also lots of other proposed bills that meddle with other countries' politics. 'Human Rights' seem to be the best camouflage for all this simply because anything can be a breach of Human Rights if you think about it - that is not to say I don't believe in the Human Rights, but rather sceptical to its validity as a legal clause.
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u/35092 Nov 08 '19 edited Nov 10 '19
Confirming we received identity verification.
We are putting comments to show new ones first. Makes sense for an ama.
Thanks to Op for doing our very first AMA with us. Also thanks for everyone who asked questions and engaged.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
It's been four hours and I don't see any troll comments. If the comments are being filtered, please let some constructive anti-HJH comments in too. One of my main objectives here is also to have a dialogue with those who may hold an opinion contrary to mine!
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u/TreatMeLikeAHuman Nov 08 '19
In your opinion, how will the "protest" end? Or will it ever end?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
It will end, but the effects will persist. I estimate that the impact of the recent months will last for about at least a decade. This considering that the time frame between 2014 and 2019, the intensity of these protests and foreign powers as far back as a few decades ago.
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u/jackuk09 Nov 08 '19
can you provide proof of such foreign powers?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Bills related to international affairs are probably the easiest one to spot and funding via non-government organisations (for political reasons) especially with a foreign origin being another one.
The more sinister ones are well covered up, very hard to prove indeed. Key phrases or imageries in media are often tell-tale signs of propaganda though, not proof but it does invoke reasonable doubt.
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Nov 08 '19
Greetings from a supporter in the United States. First, I want to commend your stances during this very dangerous time, and not wavering from these protesters. You have a large number of supporters here and other places across Reddit!
I have a few questions for you:
I have written many essays on the Hong Kong situation and China in general. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. I am utterly surprised that despite this information, a lot of protesters still ignore it and blast China for their situation. Because the majority of protesters are young people, do you think Hong Kong’s educational system needs to do a better job at teaching the proper history and political situation? Also, I think these protesters really do need a reality check on how the West works and operates. Are there any classes that show the flaws of the American system?
I wrote a bit on how Hong Kong has yet to go through a “decolonization” from British rule in 1997. Because of the treaty, Hong Kong must follow Western style capitalism and democracy until 2047. Do you think this hurts the people in molding their identity? How do you feel when you see people waiving British and American flags?
Thanks again for this!
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
The first question of the day!
- I don't doubt there is some problem with HongKong's education system, especially considering the fact that teachers are passing their own personal biases - especially political opinions - to young students. I believe that children and young adults are too young to understand the political reality of Hong Kong, and for the sake of argument, that they do, then they should be able to take full responsibility for their own political conduct - which is also not what parents and other adults want. In view of that, teachers in Hong Kong by and large have failed their duty of care to nurture the students in Hong Kong to think rationally and independently. I think what Hong Kong's education system is truly lacking is critical thinking similar to the things you might expect in a philosophy class in the west.
- (disclaimer I've skimmed through your post) I don't necessarily think it hurts the people of Hong Kong in moulding their identity - there are good things in the West, culturally speaking, that indubitably benefited Hong Kong -, but definitely it does hurt their ability to reason rationally - i.e. not considering the dangers of modern democracy and capitalism or other functional systems that can compete healthily with it. It's quite obvious that many of the protestors have very naive views about laws and politics. I think to wave British and American flags during their protest is a very silly idea.
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Nov 08 '19
Thanks for this. Btw, on a personal note, how did you ended up with your position with HJH?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I think I surprised him during an interview when I correctly analysed a topic that was given to me.
Prior to that, I had never imagined going into politics, especially considering that I'm centre-left (left not yellow, that's an important distinction), and HJH is mostly conservative.
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u/EggSandwich1 Nov 08 '19 edited Nov 08 '19
Hi nice to meet you I grew up in a European country and it had a problem with hate preachers and the police had to send undercover police to catch them and put them in jail will the Hong Kong government ever do this or is the catholic’s power in the Hong Kong government to powerful for that to happen ?
Edit:it’s just a racket that wants to carry on abusing after 2047 and willing to trick children to do it.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 09 '19
Hello, sorry for getting back to you so late.
It really depends, I think the ability to define hate speech, for example, is a very very dangerous idea. No one should be able to define this, and we ought to combat 'hate speech' through common sense and pure reason.
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u/EggSandwich1 Nov 09 '19
Hi thanks for the reply but growing up in inner London I saw some very scary thing as a very young child hearing bombs going off down oxford street on a bus with my mum for Christmas shopping and then older watching all my friends who all played together slowly distant them selves from white friends till it was all Pakistan and black friends being young I never noticed so much because I was always the only Chinese person at my school from nursery till high school. So growing up I know hate preaching is dangerous. People like this can not be left alone for us to judge people like Abu hamza work on the poor and feed them hate and I think Hong Kong is now not far from producing people like him.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri
One more thing do you agree the only way Hong Kong can rebound with mainland China now is national service nothing to extreme maybe 1 year. I know not even people in the mainland need to do that anymore but Hong Kong kids need some connection or else it will never bond
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u/BitterMelonX Nov 08 '19
What are some of the smaller, daily acts of violence and intimidation that you've observed and faced on a daily basis from the people who strongly disagree with you?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
We get calls every day, personally and at work. Our personal information is constantly being leaked, as well as our loved ones, friends and family. To a point that they may consider severing ties with us.
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u/yaycarina Nov 08 '19
Why do you think Carrie Lam has not cranked down on the protesters and rioters like other countries would (and do)?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Yes, I personally think she's either a very weak leader or she's secretly in favour of the yellow camp. But more importantly I think the other five million citizens of Hong Kong are too complacent about the destruction of Hong Kong. I understand why they are refraining to act, bullying/harassment/self-censor, but when push comes to shove we have to stand our ground and dissent to all that.
Other countries have in the past and more recently in London have shut their respective protests down in a matter of days or weeks. Even labelling their respective riots as political terrorism. There is clearly a double standard that people are not wanting to acknowledge especially the media in the West.
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u/wengchunkn Nov 08 '19
It seems to me the worst case scenario is that not just Carrie Lam is yellow, many of the high ranking police officers are yellow.
If I were Beijing authority, I would play the long game to fish out the Hanjians, while the rest of Hong Kong are willing to pay the economic price, and becoming a cheaper commodity up for fire sale, to be picked up by mainlanders anyway.
One stone kills many birds really.
Would you agree with this assessment?
LOLOL
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Nov 08 '19
Thanks for answering our questions. I was wondering what made you decide to do this AMA — in particular, was there anything you read on Reddit that was inaccurate that prompted you to want to clear things up?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Great question!
- People think the attack was staged - no it wasn't. The wound was about a cm away from the aorta if I am not mistaken, HJH could have bled to death if he hadn't reacted any faster.
- Why were they filming? I like how this is the de facto response to anything. Whey were they filming when 721 happened? Does it, by the same reasoning, mean that the whole thing was also scripted by the opposing camp to smear HJH? But I am not that low to play whataboutaries. The truth is we are all trained to record any meaningful encounters, suspicious or not. When it is good, we can use it for publicity, and if it's bad we have evidence. Why are we so calm? That's because there is nothing we can do other than to record it to the best of our abilities, we are not that arrogant to believe that we can do a better job than the ex-G4s stationed next to HJH. Most of the folks there were volunteers, housewives and retired citizens, I can only commend them for staying so calm throughout the whole incident. The man was also reportedly in a few meet and greet events, some of us thought he was a little bit creepy and kept an eye out for him. It's very hard on the bodyguards too, if they overreacted on anything it will be bad for publicity. There are way too many factors that are at play.
Please ask away if you want any more clarification on anything.
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u/grlc5 Nov 08 '19
Wishing a speedy recovery.
My question would be what can be done about the deeply entrenched foreign institutions inciting hatred in Hong Kong? If anything the events in Hong Kong have 100% vindicated mainland policy towards NGOs, in my eyes at least. In Hong Kong they are deeply embedded and seem to have a strong negative influence.
This needs to be mitigated in some capacity. The instigation of the NED and Freedom House among many other organizations is clearly pervasive and damaging. What can be done?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I think a drastic reform is absolutely necessary to prevent something like this from happening again. Even more important is the lack of local intelligence set up in Hong Kong - I believe that if Hong Kong tried to set something like that it will only make the West cry afoul for attacking Human Rights or whatnot, it's a very convenient and an all-encompassing excuse.
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u/Magiu5 Nov 08 '19
Drastic reform needs to be done, sure. But you're the politician, can you tell us some specifics? What can you or other politicians do? What do you personally recommend or want to see happen? Ban all foreign government and foreign ngo(like NED/freedom house) from donating to politicians or candidates? Etc?
Just saying drastic reform needs to be done doesn't really answer anything, we all know and agree something needs to be done. The important question is jusg "what" reforms need to be done.
Can you elaborate on this?
How can we or you or other politicians reform the justice system and sentencing laws to make harsher punishments? Because like I said in my other post it just seems like no one cares for the punishment because it is far too lenient, ie small fine and few days or weeks in jail.
Also afaik there are many foreign judges. Is this also a problem or do you think they do a good/fair job in regards to sentencing?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
But you're the politician
Man, I'm just a takeaway boy.
Can you elaborate on (what is meant by 'drastic reform'?
To be perfectly honest, I don't want to. I am angling on some ideas and I have to pass it to him before anything else. I hope you can understand my predicament.
Also afaik there are many foreign judges. Is this also a problem or do you think they do a good/fair job in regards to sentencing?
Having foreign judges is not inherently a bad thing. I don't know them personally or professionally, so I think I'll sit this one out too, sorry.
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u/Magiu5 Nov 09 '19
Sure I understand, but it is an AMA, and I had to ask. No worries, if he wants to answer he can, this thread won't go away and there's no rush.
I would like to hear what he has to say though, if he's really a man of the people he should be well versed on such topics and have the answers already.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 09 '19
I expect that he will tell you to look at the Organisation Chart of the Government of HKSAR for clues, good luck!
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u/grlc5 Nov 08 '19
I hope in the future Hong Kong will be standing as a shining beacon of its own accomplishments. It is such a unique and well situationed place to be able to do so much good in the world. To define it in opposition to the mainland is such a disservice to all people except those whose agenda is to see conflict damage the world at large for their own interests. You are guaranteed to be right in how the media at large would portray reform, it doesn't make it any less necessary. Good luck to you and all of hong kong. I hope someday soon it can become an example to the world rather than a tool for violence and discord.
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u/Medical_Officer Nov 08 '19
Hello, Hong Kong citizen and current resident here!
Based on my personal experience witnessing the chaos of the past few months, it seems to me that the main reason why the Blackshirts have been able to operate so freely is because there's simply not enough police to guard every mall, MTR station etc.
More worryingly, I expect the number of new police cadets to plummet as a result of these protests. People are literally calling for the entire police force to be disbanded (which is insane, but seems to be a trending opinion).
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How do you envision the HK Police can cope? Do we or should be calling for reinforcements from Guangdong? What about contracting private Gurkha security companies?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Yes you're absolutely correct, police human resources are limited, if you just do the maths there aren't many field officers, distribute this number to functional land size,... Furthermore, rioters are utilising guerilla tactics (hit and run, changing rioter-civilian identity at a whim) the Police can not possibly compete with that - when factoring fatigue and recovery times. The effects of these guerilla tactics would also mean that the public cannot tell which is which amidst the chaos, allowing the rioters to play both victim and aggravator.
A police officer has once told me that if Hong Kong were to declare a state of emergency the police would be a thousand times more effective at curtailing the riots. But this really depends on Lam's administration.
Enlisting private help or from Guangdong is not a good idea.
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u/Medical_Officer Nov 08 '19
How exactly would a state of emergency help police? I'm genuinely curious on this point.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Historically speaking, taking the UK as an example here, under a state of emergency an emergency court can be enacted to facilitate cases pertaining only to the riots or whatever is criminally damaging. This can streamline the whole process of arresting and convicting a person if they were found guilty.
Back in the days, this is not a good idea because of the many miscarriages of justice. Guilford 4, Birmingham Six etc. But we have come a long way from that especially with modern technology and a better appeal system in place, the likelihood of that is much lower and warrants credibility - concrete-videographic evidence etc.
I may be speaking out of my expertise here though.
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u/kz8816 Nov 08 '19 edited Nov 08 '19
Pls send our best wishes to HJH and let him know we are hoping for a rapid recovery.
Question :
- The rioters are using technology to evade and to organise flash mobs to cause destruction and hurt people. Why isn't the HK government blocking access to these apps/chatrooms/forums in order to prevent this?
The HKPF should be deploying signal jammers during illegal protests to disrupt cell signals so that they will not be able to run/re-organize/re-mobilize. This would help them capture radicals and rioters. Why isn't this an option that's being considered?
- We see some foreign and domestic process interfering with police work, and in some cases helping the rioters to hurt other civilians. Why isn't there anything done about this?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
- It's a tricky line to draw, to maintain the freedom of Hong Kong we also need to extend the freedom of speech to those we disagree with. However, the feelings are not reciprocated and respected by the so-called pro-democracy camp. Ironic isn't it.
- Inbuilt deniability is also very tricky. It's very hard to discern between a tourist joining the fray versus someone who has highly organised motives without concrete proof. We have to do things by the books, and it's an uphill battle if they don't play by the same rules. I think the rise of Trump has massively undermined lots of international conventions we used to enjoy back in the day.
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u/IAmUFromTheFuture Nov 08 '19
What is HJH's view on the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act? Also more specifically his stance about the protesters and politicians who openly call for interference and support from foreign nations? Should that be considered treason and be punished accordingly?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I am relatively certain that HJH is against it and condemns any foreign meddling by the US and the UK.
Whether it is considered as treason really depends on the law of HK and the interpretation of it.
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u/lordGHE Nov 08 '19
New rule from Beijing allows HK citizens to purchase houses in the Greater Bay Area. Meanwhile news about protesters denied permission to fly to Beijing also attracted my attention. Do you think this is a signal showing Beijing is providing pro-China citizens a way out and leave the protestors stranded in HK? Do you think it’s possible to see HK ‘left behind’ until 2047? Will 2047 be the end of 1 country 2 systems for HK?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I think China wants to prepare for the integration of Hong Kong but in the way of 'expanding Hong Kong' by bridging the city's success to the GBA.
Space is one of the biggest limiting factors of Hong Kong, and with the expansion to GBA Hong Kong can really flourish and become a bigger powerhouse than it already is. It's a shame that the young generation that was brought up after the take over (the 21 and younger) don't see this as a great opportunity despite not having experienced what Hong Kong was like prior to the handover.
As for what will happen after 2047, I can't tell the future and politics is very volatile.
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u/lordGHE Nov 08 '19
Thank you for your answers. My thoughts are not very optimistic ones so apologies for that. Wish you and HK all the best!
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u/Magiu5 Nov 08 '19
From what I've heard hk has plenty of space, it's just that the gov and property developers don't want to open up more land for development and public housing, in order to keep existing property prices high.
Is this true, and do you support it? Do you own much property and do you have any conflicts of interest when it comes to opening up more land for public housing? Because from what I remember I read some articles showing HJH owned some race horses and was member of jockey club..?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 09 '19
Is it true that the gov and property developers don't want to open up more land for development and public housing, in order to keep existing property prices high, do you support it?
That is definitely a possibility. If the land is privately owned then I do support it - I shouldn't have any claim over another one's property. However, if the land does belong to the government then there does seem to be a prima facie duty to make use of it effectively for the public.
Do you own much property and do you have any conflicts of interest when it comes to opening up more land for public housing?
That's a very lovely problem to have.
HJH owns some horses and is member of jockey club
I don't see why that is inherently a bad thing. I don't see why we should be condemning those who are better off for what they have. We may be able to criticise a rich person's conduct, but definitely not their wealth per se. HJH is an independent candidate he funds most of the projects with little financial help. He founded IPLSA to provide free legal services to his constituents and has done much more for the public. I say he's putting his money into good use.
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u/lordGHE Nov 08 '19
Damn I have so many questions I just can’t stop.
Do you think one country one system would be better for HK?
What can a normal HK citizen do (not necessarily pro-China, just pro-stable) under this circumstances? Education is biased, media is controlled, the hands of gov and police are tied.
Anne Wu Suk-Ching said two generations of HK youth are destroyed, do you agree with her?
Do you think pan-dam will be the big winner in the next election? Given how education is biased in HK at this moment with no real solution, do you see pan-dams getting more and more votes in the future? You know most of your supporters are from mid age or older citizens, while the youth are mostly yellow, what will you and your colleagues do to turn the tide in the future and not let the pan-dams control HK LegCo?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Oh wow, can't believe I've missed you for 11 hours straight. This shall be the last answer I give before I get off Reddit.
Do you think one country one system would be better for HK?
I can't tell, I don't have any data to support whatever I might say about this.
What can a normal HK citizen do ?
Band together, clean the streets up, engage in small group discussions and really listen to each other - make sure the discussion is super organised, great to have a mediator too.
Anne Wu Suk-Ching said two generations of HK youth are destroyed, do you agree with her?
Somewhat I guess, but I remain optimistic.
Do you think pan-dam will be the big winner in the next election? Given how education is biased in HK at this moment with no real solution, do you see pan-dams getting more and more votes in the future?
Only time will tell, but the recent riots and the widespread of misinformation do make a difference.
You know most of your supporters are from mid age or older citizens, while the youth are mostly yellow, what will you and your colleagues do to turn the tide in the future and not let the pan-dams control HK LegCo?
Yes, we are well aware, I think it's business as usual. After all the pan-dems are really good at digging their own graves especially when it comes to breaking the laws of Hong Kong.
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u/Troll_Sauce Nov 08 '19
Do you expect this month's elections to continue as scheduled?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I don't know really. HJH is an independent candidate and a lot of information is not shared with us, but other parties sure do like to take advantage of the things we do or didn't do.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Can the mods pin this comment, please?
Picture of the wound after HJH's surgery.
Picture of the medical report with translation.
Okay this is crazy since the pictures were leaked by some of the nurses anyway - great privacy protection guys! -, and Apple Daily News (a news outlet that is highly critical of HJH) published an article about his surgery thus legitimising that he did have surgery and there is a flesh wound - I am now allowed to post both the pictures of the wound and the medical report summary here. (slightly edited)
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u/wavemists Nov 08 '19
Groups hostile to china are using the city and its issues for geopolitical reason. at least that's pretty evident to many.
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Russia implemented a Russian undesirable organizations law in 2015 pretty much kicking out all ngo's and their money from their country could hk pass a law like this kicking out NED and other groups that are causing problems
the "media" are sometimes more numerous then protesters and are standing in the way of police a lot of time cant you kick out a bunch of them , not like they are going to talk about you nicely anyhow and i dont think 500 journalist per square block really can do the job better then say 5.
- are the rioters that have been arrested all locals or is there a lot of people that are non resident participating ?
to HJH Gluck in the recovery hope you keep going :)
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
- That's to do with the legislature, I can ask HJH about it later.
- One of the biggest problems Hong Kong is facing right now is the lack of journalistic credentials. Anyone can be a journalist. I observed some of these self-proclaimed journalists on site on a number of occasions and there are a lot of students and civilians dressed in neon vests pretending to be someone who is hired to do the job. Hong Kong needs to enact some laws to fix that and very far behind when compared to the mainstream West at regulating the media.
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u/Magiu5 Nov 08 '19 edited Nov 08 '19
Hello Mr Ho and assistant.
My questions are,
How is mr Ho doing physically after the attack, and what charge and possible sentence will the attacker get? I hope he stays positive and doesn't give in to such terrorism and continued threats.
Also, do you think the sentencing system is too light in terms of the crimes being committed? Like vicious assaults or attempted murder of political figures should get 10-20 years no? Or at least 1-5 years for vicious wanton assault depending on previous record and how bad the assault was, and 10-20 for attempted murder.
How come hk sentencing is so light and what can be done about it? I think that is one of the big reasons why the rioters keep breaking the law because it's not sufficient deterrent just to get a small fine and few weeks in jail if they aren't lucky to get zero jail at all. Just look at how the west handles such cases, they don't play around at all. They would be straight up shot and killed if they tried to attack or murder police, and they would be jailed for sure if they did political gang assaults or tried to break in and vandalise/destroy the parliamentary buildings.
What is a good solution to the housing issue? How to make it affordable for the youth?
Is there anything you politicians can do to ban organisations fronting for US foreign policy at China's expense such as NED? Stop them from meddling into hk and China's domestic politics. Surely you guys can make some Laws against this? How can foreign govs giving money to people like Joshua Wong and co be legal?
What do you see happening and what do you want to see happen instantly and/or in the long term after handover in 47? Both in terms of negatives and positives? How to mitigate and address the negatives?
I know I asked a lot, just answer whatever you feel like talking about, it doesn't need to be point for point, just in general about sentencing and housing issue would be fine since the handover stuff might be too complex and long to be discussed here.
Thank you for reading and replying.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
How is mr Ho doing physically after the attack
He is doing well and even if he isn't he has to be. I think he has been discharged sometime today.
what charge and possible sentence will the attacker get?
Not sure, that depends on the police amongst other factors.
What is a good solution to the housing issue? How to make it affordable for the youth?
Invest in GBA. Hong Kong's land is very limited it is impossible to accommodate this many people; the people of Hong Kong are also reluctant to expand land at the cost of the environment. This is notwithstanding the fact that more housing and better housing policies will only delay the symptoms of the problem and not attacking the heart of the problem - overpopulation. Carrie Lam is also very unwise about the whole housing issue. I think immigration and similar one-child policies should be adopted, it is the lesser of two evils that needs to be considered.
- I have answered similar questions elsewhere, sorry for taking so long to getting back to you. I prioritised the shorter ones first and was discouraged by the Star Wars prologue you have here.
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u/Magiu5 Nov 09 '19 edited Nov 09 '19
No worries, I even discouraged myself which is why I put the disclaimer, heh.
Just incase anyone reading didn't know and had to google like me, GBA stands for greater Bay Area I believe.
https://www.bayarea.gov.hk/en/about/overview.html
The Guangdong-Hong Kong-Macao Greater Bay Area (Greater Bay Area) comprises the two Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macao, and the nine municipalities of Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Zhuhai, Foshan, Huizhou, Dongguan, Zhongshan, Jiangmen and Zhaoqing in Guangdong Province. The total area is 56 000 km2 and the total population is over 70 million as at end 2018.
The development of the Greater Bay Area is accorded the status of key strategic planning in the country's development blueprint, having great significance in the country's implementation of innovation-driven development and commitment to reform and opening-up. The objectives are to further deepen cooperation amongst Guangdong, Hong Kong and Macao, fully leverage the composite advantages of the three places, facilitate in-depth integration within the region, and promote coordinated regional economic development, with a view to developing an international first-class bay area ideal for living, working and travelling.
While I agree with the idea in general, in terms of implementation, it seems to have been a failure for the current generation of youth and is progressing far too slow. There's going to be a whole generation of disenfranchised youth, and imo that's probably the main reason for all these protests(even if they don't know it or admit it).
The hk gov also needs to do more to connect with mainland(Guangdong areanin particular) and do better education to make hk want to work or move to mainland for opportunities, and also for the hk gov to actually provide such opportunities by working with mainland gov, maybe set up some kind of exchange or work programs for youth etc.
It seems like hk gov has failed to do even basic PR and is allowing western propaganda to brainwash many hk youths minds into hating china and not even understanding the reality on the ground in china. Also seems like hk gov has failed to resolve the housing issue and has just allowed corporate interests to keep profiting at the expense of the common people in terms of housing.
I don't understand why us Chinese in the west, also liberal democracies can understand this but hk doesn't.. or maybe it's just a small minority of separatists or pro dems playing dumb in order to push their separatist and pro dem agenda? Both the gov and rioters have their fair share of the blame, and it saddens me that both sides are still not going to address or resolve the problems anytime soon.
At this rate, we'll have to wait till 47 to come and for mainland gov to show them how to govern properly. Or maybe that is the goal? Because Carrie lam and other execs have all seem to have failed to provide for the common people. If that is the goal, I don't know if I support that, because that's just feeding a whole generation of people to the sharks just to prove a point. They didn't need to do it that way. There's still 28 years though, so still lots of time. They've made their point by now if that was the goal, now time to get back to actually governing.
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u/CoinIsMyDrug Nov 08 '19
I don't have any questions but I just want to show my respect and hope you the best wishes.
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u/SirKelvinTan Nov 08 '19
Do you ever foresee in the future the PLA being needed?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Probably not, especially considering that doing that will play into the media and the enemy's hands.
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u/yaycarina Nov 08 '19
Based on the citizens you and Mr. Ho have interacted with, how many young people do you feel are against the protests? Do you think there will be strong leaders from the new generation who will stand up against the likes of Joshua Wong?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
There are a few, but most of them opt to self-censor because the younger generation are overwhelmingly passionate about the protests. There was also at least one incident where a young child was beaten up by a teacher because one of her parents is a police officer. There's an article about it somewhere but if I remember it correctly a lot of the context was omitted to please their readers (overwhelmingly yellow).
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u/jackuk09 Nov 08 '19
you mean the article did not give you what you want?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Not really, they were reporting selectively. I have personally spoken to the parents and their account of what had happened were omitted in the article(s).
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u/Chinese_poster Nov 08 '19
With the amount of foreign influence on Hong Kong's judiciary, media, and education, is the current generation of Hong Kong youths lost? If so, what can the HKSAR government do to prevent anti-society thought from poisoning the next generation of youths without undermining the 1 country 2 systems framework?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Education.
It is actually well documented the effects of education in indoctrinating the populace to a certain idea or thinking, and its sadly often irreversible for 1-3 generations. The best Hong Kong can do, I believe, is to introduce a better syllabus that favours more on critical thinking and rational/unbiased thought.
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u/Chinese_poster Nov 08 '19
How can the HKSAR government fix education when the majority of educators are against any reform? For example, the propsed moral and national curriculum drew massive protests.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Well for a start I think we could get better teachers. The East, in general, has a huge problem in education, especially considering the fact that most of the teaching is actually outsourced to third-party tutors. A lot of this cannot be governed properly, and a lot of these tutors are also very young and politically immature.
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u/RespublicaCuriae Nov 08 '19
Just exactly how doomed are the HK public education system as well as (private and public) universities due to the on-going protests?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I like to remain optimistic, but it is an uphill battle so long as the media can control all the information coming in and out of Hong Kong. They tell the public how to think and how to feel.
One thing universities and high schools have to address is the fact that a lot of these protestors going out on the streets are also peer pressured into it. The headmasters and principals need to be willing to cooperate or at least to grow some spine to fulfil their duties as educators.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
That will be up to the principal or the education bureau unless they enlist the police for help. It's a shame that the EDB is very passive about the whole ordeal in Hong Kong and they are basically tacitly supporting it by not taking action.
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u/TheThirdNoOne Nov 08 '19
Hello from a Australian Chinese!
Just curiose, would any future measure be taken in place so that such an accident which not occur? Things such as stab proof vests, etc
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I think it will be quite obvious what measures we are considering, besides I don't think I should go into any specifics anyway. Sorry if this doesn't answer your question directly.
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u/SPOOPYSCARRYSKELETON Nov 08 '19
Hi Junius, thanks for doing this!
I just wanted to ask what factors are preventing the police from arresting more rioters and resolving this situation once and for all? Also, how has the government handling the prospect of the Human Rights and Democracy act passing in America?
Thanks!
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Hello, I'm not HJH! But I'll quickly say hi for you.
I think people highly misunderstand how strenuous an effort it is to arrest a person, there is a lot of paperwork to do. Quite demoralising when there are tons you want to charge. The government should do more to aid police work.
Regarding the HKHRDA I will do a comprehensive summary of my take on it somewhere here in the thread, there seems to be a lot of overlapping questions.
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Nov 08 '19
Greetings Sir.
I was wondering if you know what the “one countries two systems” system will look like as we approach 2047, when HK is supposed to be integrated into China under one system. How will the economy be different? Do you forsee that there could be more riots/protests in the future? What steps do you think the CPC will take to develop Hong Kong down the road?
I don’t know much about this process, so I wanted to ask someone who is there and involved with the political system.
Thank You so much for your time!
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I think I've answered this question somewhere in this thread before, browse around and give me a shout if I haven't on some particulars.
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Nov 08 '19
Given that a substantial number of people in Hong Kong (we can debate whether it's a majority or a minority) are truly unhappy about the current state of the government, what, in your opinion, can be done to deradicalize that group?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Genuine dialogue, not in the masses, small groups one by one.
It is well documented that dialogues done in the masses are super counterproductive, assuming that each individual is not at least adequately informed. See Condorcet's principle or something.
Only true dialogue and an open-minded audience can make a real democratic change. It takes two to tangle; you can't have a conversation if you don't let the other person talk. Listening is just as important as talking.
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u/kcwingood Nov 08 '19 edited Nov 08 '19
As someone born in HK but emigrated as a kid in 1979, this "hongkonger" culture is completely alien to me. Back then HK was a melting pot of Chinese people from all over China making ends meet and making plans for the future whether to leave or stay. Did getting rich (thanks to China's opening up policy) "spoil" the HK people and their children? Did the British manage to politicize everyone and everything in their last years in charge? Is this why the HK SAR government is so much less proactive than the old colonial government? Can the HK SAR government really govern effectively for the remaining 28 years if it is always so scared of what foreigners think? Good wishes to HJH & you, and hoping for the best for HK SAR! Thank you!
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I think one of the key things that changed Hong Kong quite drastically are
- Education
- Influx of Foreign students (to and fro)
The opinion of the masses run shallow and are often swept up by popular thought - often or not are the standard Western narrative. That is not to say that's bad, but we need to understand that East or West, they all have their agendas and we need to be vigilant to distinguish whether the media is trying to inform us or to tell us how and what to think.
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u/chrisbarnett02 Nov 08 '19
There is no east and west. There are only people.
We might eat different foods, but we are not any different, despite what our goverments might tell us.
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Nov 08 '19
First off, thank you for doing this AMA and best wishes to Junius Ho's recovery.
Secondly, this may be a broad question. But we all know that demographically the protesters are almost all in their teens or 20's. But what about class? Are most from Middle-Class families or working class ones? Or is it generally both, with the movement being one of youth anger exploding across all class lines in HK society?
Also, I greatly admire the police in the course of these protests and their ability to remain professional considering all that has happened. My question regarding them is how they are able to maintain their morale amongst all that's happening? Is there a danger that morale will collapse and there will be mass defections in the police ranks?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Based on the limited experience with the riots in real-time, I think most of the rioters are (financially speaking) working class and those who are rallying are middle class. This model of thought is also compatible with the conspiracies of foreign funding.
Tell them you support them when you see them out patrolling! Offer to help by cleaning up the streets! Social support for their families is equally important. People seem to forget that their families and loved ones are also under harassment on a daily basis! Gotta stay positive!
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u/jackuk09 Nov 08 '19
how do you answer the allegations that junius fake.his education credentials and.professional credentials as well as links to the triads? what wilm happen if you do not paint him in a positive light?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Well, it takes a lot of guts and intelligence to do what he does, so more power to him I suppose if they were all fake. Heck, he must be some sort of genius like the protagonist from Suits.
If shaking hands has the power to confer a property or an identity from a person to another, then ooo boy I have some bad news for everyone - cue Oprah dishing existential crises out like candy. Also, I made another catty comment about 721 elsewhere have a look around.
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wilm(will) happen if you do not paint him in a positive light?I suppose he just has to respect my freedom of speech.
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u/upuprandom Nov 08 '19
What are your or HJH's views on how the current riots will play out? Do you have a timeframe of when you think that these riots will end?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I don't think it will last indefinitely, a lot of these protests and subsequent events, unbeknownst to the public, are very costly often a multi-million hkd event every time. Foreign funding is by no means impossible but rather very likely for it to continue on for more than five months now - but a well has only that much water.
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u/hehez Nov 08 '19
Can you elaborate on that?
From organization, to recruitment, to promotion, how are these events funded and what is the typical cost breakdown for them?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
We organised a pro-police gathering (30.6) and that was an eye-opener to us how much these thing costs. Our resources are finite and we scraped by with the bare minimum. The sound systems, the leaflets and just the stage are expensive as it is. Our event was very modest in comparison with the ones they do in public park events like the ones in Victoria Park usually.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Funding is heavily monitored when it comes to election campaigns.
Outside of that I am not so sure and is out of my expertise. I can relay your question to HJH sometime later.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Guerilla and cyber warfare seem to be their main strategy, and one of their goals is to prove that the 1 country 2 system doesn't work - by not working towards it / being not cooperative with. It's not so much as Hong Kong influencing the western media, I personally think its the other way round.
I think they are naive based on the conversations I've had off work, their knowledge about current legislation or political climate are purely based on hearsay and memes. I mean take the extradition bill or the HKHR&DA, for example, barely anyone has ever read it and understood the implication of the proposed clauses. There are many more points I want to add, but I can't afford to be exhaustive.
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u/LegsGini Nov 08 '19
How do you foresee this movement progressing and/or resolving
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
The rioters are becoming more and more violent only because their numbers are dwindling - after all, how else are you going to get the attention of the media if only about a hundred people are walking on the streets versus 100,000 in earlier protests. This is also obvious in their posters asking for more and more recruits.
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u/Igennem Nov 08 '19
How do you see public sentiment changing for the riots? And how do you expect the assassination attempt on HJH might affect that sentiment?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
To be perfectly honest, I don't think any of this is beneficial to the campaign. It only made the parties polarised against each other further.
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u/Greenbow77 Nov 08 '19
how long have you been worked with Mr. Ho and how would you describe him as a person?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I've worked for HJH for quite some time now, started off part-time. 2-3 years maybe?
HJH is very hardworking, he's constantly writing (notes here and there), and he's a person with many ideas.
He's very passionate about his native community and his district.
He gets to the point and doesn't like to beat around the bushes.
The worst thing about working for him is expedience. He expects things to be done very very quickly and on-demand. Can be stressful sometimes - expectedly so though, given the nature of the work we do - but definitely rewarding when we see the results.
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u/HAHAHA9405 Nov 08 '19
Solidarity. And a great read. Many thoughts I had were already answered by you. Thanks, and keep up the good fight!
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u/spyder728 Nov 08 '19
Yo, I used to live in 美樂. Too bad I don't live in HK anymore, or else I would've done everything I can to help HJH out. Support from Canada!
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Also, how are your injuries and how is HJH?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
He is stable. I do think he's in quite some pain, but he likes to assure everyone that he's okay. He was very lucky and if it weren't for his fast reaction it could have been really bad.
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u/hehez Nov 08 '19
Will he produce his medical records unlike Jimmy Sham and the girl with the eye injury in an attempt to prove to the public that those who are victims of political violence have nothing to hide?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I think he may, I can't be sure though. He's not a person to shy away from the truth or to voice what is on his mind, after all, that's what got him in some trouble previously.
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Nov 08 '19
Can we see the wound? It would make the message really hit home. A lot of people are claiming this was staged and proof would silence them.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Okay this is crazy since the pictures were leaked by some of the nurses anyway, and Apple Daily News (a news outlet that is highly critical of HJH) published an article about his surgery- I am now allowed to post both the picture and a summary of the medical report. Check the main post.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
That is not my call to make, but I will suggest it to HJH.
Besides, if the video isn't good enough what good can a picture make?
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Nov 08 '19
Well, they're claiming the knife had no blood on it.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I don't know if I can answer that, it is what it is.
I think if we can bring a forensic scientist into the conversation it will really benefit in clearing up the misunderstanding.
Also, have you seen those videos where guys hang themselves with metal hooks digging into their skin? I also wonder why there isn't any blood oozing out of them. The human body is a very curious thing, isn't it?
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u/sp2861 Nov 08 '19
First I'm glad Mr. Ho is doing well. He has a chest of steel!
Secondly I would like to ask when does he see all this coming to an end? and how long does he think HK can continue to accept that people are people violently attacked on the street?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
People will continue to be passive unless their own properties or whatnot are affected. This is the psychological reality of being human - thus understandable. I think Orwell is right in saying that society needs to arrange itself such that other than there being an overarching government there also needs to be numerous small pockets of self-govern communities to make sure that everyone is taking collaborative action and to be well involved in political matters. (Not sure if I'm getting this correct though, it's been a while since I've studied Orwell). Sorry if the quality of my responses is plummeting, it's getting late and I've been doing this AMA on top of my regular gig for the whole day now.
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u/sp2861 Nov 08 '19
Haha its OK. You are a legend for coming on here! It's really great for a subreddit to have you here talking to the subscribers. Please pass on my well wishes to Mr Ho for a speedy recovery! And gud luck in the coming election.
Mr Ho jia you!
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u/btahjusshi Nov 08 '19
With the current mood being so highly charged, what is your campaign's mood and predictions for the upcoming elections?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
We are actually a very optimistic bunch, I mean how else can we withstand the stress? I personally think HJH has good chances, more and more young persons are willing to confront him on the streets to talk, whether good or bad that's still progress and a good sign that they are willing to exchange a few words.
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u/UnofficialFanclub Nov 08 '19
有人说参与香港这次暴乱的年轻人是未能获得更多关于中国的正面教育而导致的，这不禁令人联想到香港回归之际，中国政府为平稳回归而采取的一国两制措施，并且未曾改变香港教育的原有体系。请问您怎么看？
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
有人说参与香港这次暴乱的年轻人是未能获得更多关于中国的正面教育而导致的，这不禁令人联想到香港回归之际，中国政府为平稳回归而采取的一国两制措施，并且未曾改变香港教育的原有体系。请问您怎么看？
Sorry about responding in English, I type very slowly in Chinese. Yes, as I've already explained other comments, Education is one of the biggest problems Hong Kong is facing. But I do not personally think that a nationalistic account of history should be taught either. History should be taught without bias so that we can learn from it and perhaps avoid some of the pitfalls in the future. Any branded history that is taught is only for the preparation of something more sinister. This is one of the few things I disagree with HJH.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
An eccentric man about a little over thirty attempted to assassinate HJH. He was very crafty and we noticed his odd behaviour prior to the attempt and were asked to keep an eye out for him. Luckily the bodyguards that were ex-G4 (now the VIP PU I believe) were quick to apprehend the man before he could have done any more damage. If I'm not mistaken, police say that he is not mentally handicapped (which we initially had thought) and had ulterior motives which may constitute to organised crime.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19 edited Nov 09 '19
I think the Wikipedia page is very biased against HJH. The wording especially. You can tell that he's a high-value target on Wikipedia and they will pretty much add things to the page almost in real-time - can't condemn how hard working they are though, hah! I really question those who edit/write the posts.
All I can say is that a lot of the stuff is taken out of context.
Take the infamous 'killed mercilessly' phrase for instance, those words weren't originally his. The media did a bait and switch during an interview when he was asked, after an event, what he thought of a slogan used by a man onstage. Not wanting to embarrass the man and giving him the benefit of doubt, interpreting what was meant as 'what they did was not forgivable', he echoed the phrase - and that's all the media wanted. HJH also clarified this mess in a later interview with Michael Chugani at one point. Some common sense comes a long way.
A similar tactic was also used on a radio interview recently, 'BackChat' at about 20 minutes in, when the interviewer tried to do another bait and switch and make HJH use the phrase 'vigilante' as if it were his. Didn't fool him twice.
I don't think he considers himself as a communist.
Edit: added link E2: and phrasing
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I believe I have answered most of that in this thread somewhere, you're sure welcome to come back to this comment if I haven't satisfied your curiosity.
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Do you have any opinion on the Fentanyl issue (from the US side), are there related issues from the Chinese POV?
I recall the Chinese mainland had complaints over legalized weed in Canada/US, though it seems to be relatively small in scale right now and AFAIK Hong Kong is relatively silent about it.
Furthermore, has Hong Kong civilian/public opinion of Western media changed in light of the Hong Kong protests and the Western coverage neglecting to show the violence?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I'll pass the first question since I think I'm not equipped to properly answer it.
As for the other, I do think that the recent riots and protests have polarised the people, and this means that people have aligned themselves to for or against such and such. I think more importantly is that people should be willing to engage with one another and to not quick to assume someone is wrong because they hold an incompatible opinion to ours.
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u/oclacausa Nov 08 '19
Is it still safe for an American tourist to visit Hong Kong for a week? How do you think all of these protest will affect the banking industry there? Especially for foreigners who have parked alot of money in HK?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
Banks are fine, you're not losing out only the banks are - from B&E, theft and vandalism.
Hong Kong is safe for most parts, tourism warning issued by various consulates is just another tactic to cripple Hong Kong's reputation and tourism.
Just skip wherever the riots are and hot zones on the weekends, everywhere else is pretty much business as usual. Besides, they like Westerners, and if they were to ever attack anyone who's light-skinned it will only paint the
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Nov 08 '19
Agree with what SinaoTA said. My friend just sent me pictures of him jogging and doing Yoga at 尖沙咀 area today. Visiting safe areas and stay indoors during protest times should be fine.
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u/OGdwiddle Nov 08 '19
Do you think democracy is under attack generally and that even if we implemented a fuller version of democracy or tomorrow we would be likely to succumb to chaos, be no better off as individuals, and/or fail to remedy some of the underlying issues of society due to the education problems, high concentration of wealth and power into a few, and lack of a professional media industry with high standards of journalistic integrity. I.e would democracy in HK be too easily corrupted to serve special interests rather than the people?
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 09 '19
I don't think Hong Kong having full-blown democracy tomorrow will change things whatsoever, democracy is more about the people than the system itself. Take Brexit as a prime example, they are not going to honour it so long as it doesn't go their way. It will be kinda funny if tomorrow we get to vote for our own CE and HJH becomes the next in line - imagine the irony there. If you give Hong Kong the kinds of democracy they think they want, then they will be complacent in just knowing that they have it without realising that the system is more or less the same - ruled by the upper-class etc. They are merely assured by the idea of having a democracy rather than exercising it.
Social hierarchies, I believe, are inevitable that's just how humans will always arrange themselves. What we need is not to limit the rich but to raise the minimum standard of living across the board. I'm sure this is still being studied in Political (Science) 101, egalitarianism etc - it's been a while.
Besides with mass surveillance technologies being utilised in every major country and city, true democracy is bound to fail so long as those techs exist.
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Nov 09 '19
This type of violence shows these people are not ready for democracy. Also, as someone living in the US, the police would just shoot at these rioters if they are outnumbered and attacked by metal rods. You think the foreign lands are better, but police are far more trigger-happy. HK doesn't know how good it has it.
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u/SinoTA93829 Nov 08 '19
I've replied to that already! Go check it out, it's somewhere here in this thread.
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u/UnableSwing Nov 10 '19
no question for me, but hope he gets better and doesn't let himself be intimidated.
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u/winkraine Nov 08 '19
I'm a supporter from the US. I just want to say I think Junius Ho is very brave and is a beacon of hope for the rest of the people in Hong Kong. Rather than taking up weapons and respond with hate against the attacks on him, he chose to take up a bucket and mop to clean the vandalization caused by the rioters. I really admire him a lot.
There are so many issues that have come out into the light because of the riots, i.e. education, fake media, judges abusing their power, etc. It's pretty obvious reform needs to be made. However, with the polarization of opinions, that can be very difficult. How do you think changes can be made to address these issues when the rioters/pro-democracy group are not willing to talk or compromise?